香港英語教育出了甚麽問題？

HKTHK

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Agree.  It is also an OFFICIAL language of HK.

CHAN-2

原帖由 ANChan59 於 12-10-30 發表
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當大家將角度由國內轉往在海外讀中學的國內孩子，你講的情況跟我所見，有頗大落差 ...

認識一個八十後國內朋友，他在國內大學畢業後才去美國一間大學進修，讀數學碩士，之後博士，期間在大學做助教，雖然在國內時不怎樣特別學習英文（理科生），但到美國後，他卻很快能說流利的英文，並於四五年內畢業並留美工作。他三年前以優才計劃來港，後來在一間外資hedge fund 公司工作(公司多數同事是外國人，都說英文）。
從他的經歷，我看到一事，香港小朋友很早就開始學英文，也不見得有優勢。要學好英文其實不須要那麼長時間。另外，這些海外回來的國內朋友，是很受駐港跨國公司歡迎的，比本地生還有競爭力。

shadeslayer

原帖由 CHAN-2 於 12-11-02 發表
認識一個八十後國內朋友，他在國內大學畢業後才去美國一間大學進修，讀數學碩士，之後博士，期間在大學做助 ...

十八廿二的學生，有點英文根基，再用全英文的浸淫式學習，幾年下來口語達工作和生活的水平，是正常不過的事。

問題是，香港人有不錯的機會接觸英文，而且以天文數字的錢和課時學英文，又補習又教材，又贏在起跑點，究竟為甚麼學生的能力和付出如此不成比例？

shadeslayer

原帖由 CHAN-2 於 12-11-02 發表
認識一個八十後國內朋友，他在國內大學畢業後才去美國一間大學進修，讀數學碩士，之後博士，期間在大學做助 ...

十八廿二的學生，有點英文根基，再用全英文的浸淫式學習，幾年下來口語達工作和生活的水平，是正常不過的事。

問題是，香港人有不錯的機會接觸英文，而且以天文數字的錢和課時學英文，又補習又教材，又贏在起跑點，究竟為甚麼學生的能力和付出如此不成比例？

ANChan59

當年孩子小時，鄰居有不少外籍人仕，包括小朋友。每日一齊在公園玩或䢟水，所以英語會話十分流利。

到小學，功課不算多，因為要學這樣，學那樣，反而跟外籍小朋友來往少了，英語水平下跌。到小二，兒子要求讀中中，因為部份同學的哥哥姐姐讀中中。所以我們知道問題開始出現，我們安排他去旅行，看看到外面去，不能靠廣東話，要兩文三語，中中不是一個選擇。

到中學，英文口語及書寫一直倒退（負增值較適合）。到中三又會有變化，因為小朋友都知道中英數分數雙計，排名高優先選科。小朋友又會進步，到入到lB，整個語境改變了，大部份上課一定是英語，presentation & discussion 以英語為主，老師大多是外籍老師，因此口語及書寫又再上另一個臺階。現在看他的論文，TOK功課，personal statement 都超越我高中的英文水平。

總結是語境，學習動機，師資及前途會對真心學好英語起關鍵作用。

shadeslayer

原帖由 ANChan59 於 12-11-02 發表
本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 12-11-2 17:42 編輯

當年孩子小時，鄰居有不少外籍人仕，包括小朋友。每日一齊 ...

ANChan,

Most families do not have foreigner neighbors or do not have access to IBDP.  Is there something we can learn from your successful case?  What can we, as a society, change to improve English.   I know it is a million dollar question, but I will ask anyway.

Yanamami

shadeslayer 發表於 12-11-2 19:23
ANChan,

Most families do not have foreigner neighbors or do not have access to IBDP.  Is there some ...

Just to creat an environment for the language I suppose. When my girl was little, she watched only English videos like High5/ Wiggles/ Barney/ Disney cartoons..etc. Reading is a much of course. She also attended phonics and writing classes (not grammar classes). It's grateful that she has a few net teachers at her primary school and she feels comfortable talking with them in English.  Like all teens, she chases all the news about her idols from the US/ UK/ Canada. Of course she won't miss their movies and TV programmes. I myself enjoy watching programmes on TLC/ Discovery/ Home & Health/ Animal Planet...etc, my kids follow. The only thing I want her to improve is her conversational English. As you said, we don't have foreigner neighbours. All I can do is to encourage her to talk with her net teacher at school. I won't say her English is any good but it seems she has not much trouble handling the subject at school.

cherubic

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Perhaps the reason is students do not have chance to use the language.  In the school, students learn much grammar and do different kind of exercise. However, they never have a chance to use it. If they have a job which requires them to use English, e. g selling coffee at Starbucks, I am sure their oral will improve a lot.

shadeslayer

The DSS scheme is some of the few education policies that I support.  It gives schools leeway to experiment different curriculum.

I asked the question, what can schools do to improve HK's average English?  May be we can learn a few things from a DSS school: HKUGA.

The first cohort of HKUGA DSE graduates matched traditional elite school (Bellios) in English.  They will only get better.  Don't forget:
1. HKUGA did not select their first batch of students.
2. HKUGA fee is only around 2k, a fraction of IS or local IB schools.
3. They use a non-traditional way to teach English.

I think the English result is better than anyone could have hoped for, and is obviously above HK average.  Have the other subjects suffer as a result of good English.  I am not sure, but it does not seem to be the case.

Has HKUGA showed us the ultimate answer for improving English in mainstream schools in HK?  The answer that educators and parents alike have been searching forever?  Why don't we copy the English curriculum of HKUGA and apply to local schools?

Disclaimer: My child is not a HKUGA student.

shadeslayer

Yanamami 發表於 12-11-2 20:10
Just to creat an environment for the language I suppose. When my girl was little, she watched only  ...

Yes, we can do it for our own children but can it be a mainstream method that every single school child in HK use?  Probably not.  How many more years do we want HK children to be fed with grammar exercises and tuition classes.

ANChan59

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Do you know schools don't teach grammar in English class?

EmilyNg2012

香港0既教育制度真0係有少少問題,
不過我唔會揀國際學校, 因為我覺得小朋友0係"主流"學校發展會較好  

UNKUB

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