如果讀直資,係咪要考慮出國讀書?

HuiTung

我諗你想得複雜左.

題目是"讀[有IB的]直資,係咪要考慮出國讀書?"  我只從一間學校IB results 及 uni placement 的情況去推斷, 要諗埋人家背後志在那所大學, 涉及的因素那麼多, 有需要嗎?     況且現時本地大學供IB grad 報讀的學位又有幾多?  12 年後又會增長幾多?  拿30-39分(有IB的直資grad.)同本地生的競爭又有幾多优或劣?  以常理論, 拿30-39分報外國大學又是否容易d (不是志不志在的問題)?

stevema

Agree that some students with DSS (where claim to be running IB) may consider local uni as priority - of course, they may study aboard, both scenario exist, same as other local students... I understand the enrolment criteria for local exam students, but not sure about IB because this program used to be for students in international schools.  Now that most of the DSS introduce to their school, the cirriculum itself is very attractive - for parents, we are more concern on the costs, academic standing, admission rate of local universities - if going overseas, we cannot enjoy government benefits for local uni students, we have to pay full fare - must consider before enrol in local DSS, especially when more I learn about IB, the more I worry that its adaptability to local environment, education facilities and teachers qualification.  Would it be able to run it as good as foreign countries ?- anyhow, this is "product" of  other countries, have to consider the adaptability during inmature stage - there is no concerete figures to show the facts yet...

LLT

stevema,

You have rightly pointed out that we need to wait and see their result years later and the sad thing is, again as you said, time does not allow you to do so!

kyliema2006

So far, 李寶樁..中學已有數年考IBO的經驗，亦獲很佳的成績。Of course, 可以入讀李寶樁的學生已經是精英級人馬，亦很受世界一級知名學府垂青。

Dear HuiTung,
蔡繼有今年開始Year 6，即中一課程，而Y11 & Y12就是參加IBO。

HuiTung 寫道:
Which year level you are talking about?  Year 6 or Year 11?[/quote]

cow

HKU:There are no fixed quotas for non-JUPAS applicants, the number of students that are admitted being a function of the number and quality of students applying each year from both the JUPAS and non-JUPAS schemes.  

CUHK:There is no fixed quota for non-JUPAS applicants. In the 2005 exercise, around 120 first-year students were admitted through the Non-JUPAS (Local) Scheme.

HuiTung

李寶樁跟其他直資有點不同, 可以集中火力去IB, 但其他直資就真係要wait & see, even Mr Yip 主理下的CKY

stevema

120 for CU, I guess this includes students from mainland and overseas (via regular foreign uni ties with CU)...  cannot count how many from IB graduate.  Can anyone tell the ratio comparing with the total enrolment of each year? (4000 students enrol each year?....) sounds very small number...

EdT

stevema

120個都係local, 只不過吾經JUPAS聯招姐,應包括用 IBD, GCE ALevel同其他CUHK認可 成績報名之本地學生(CU website 講得好清楚)。  Local係睇你有冇HK身分證,吾係睇你考乜野試。 最最最重要係non-JUPAS local students係無quota限制。

另外judy  quote左陳坤耀嗰一段有講foreign student放寛到10%, 其中包括內地生。

kyliema2006

何謂集中火力去IB呢？因為李寶樁的IB亦祇限於預科那兩年課程呢！但同意新學校本身是需要時間觀察，故觀察在於學校的辦學成果，而並非IB本身呢！

PS. CKY係私校，不是直資呢。Hee hee.

HuiTung 寫道:
李寶樁跟其他直資有點不同, 可以集中火力去IB, 但其他直資就真係要wait & see, even Mr Yip 主理下的CKY

stevema

Thanks for the information.  120 in CU via non-JUPAS, did they disclose how many form each stream?  just take CU as one example to see the chance how IB be admited to local good university.  I think some local unis are of gd quality, attractive to some IB stream students. I can see many mid-class family sent their kids to take IB instead of local, the no. of students should be a lot more than before- of course the picture is not clear because some DSS is still saying, not yet registered with IBO (according to info in some threads).  

I also worry: DSS can be accepted by IBO 100% for sure?  why don't apply earlier to guarantee those students who already enroled their schools? Any risk?
glad to share with you.

EdT

stevema, 你嘅問題好難答。

第一DSS係資助模式,吾係學制,所以DSS一定吾係100% sure IBO承認。(講下笑,吾好嬲,不過好似樓主混淆左)

第二話會 「考IBD」嘅學校如果未真係開始有IBDP班,多數吾會咁早申請定,事關批左俾你就要年年由星加坡飛泥同你驗身,機票酒店都係羊毛。

第三吾排除有D學校會轉軚,到初中時泥個家長大表決, 考IBD要咁多咁多錢,考HK高中試就又咁多咁多…你地揀啦!  你估結果會係點?  

所以我諗你要睇學校目前做左幾多準備去搞IB泥揀喇。好似:

第一類: 實牙實齒由PYP做起有眼睇:  Victoria
第二類: 實牙實齒做準備又請左有經驗嘅人泥搞:  Renaissance College
第三類: 花重本做左硏究決定去馬:  ESF
第四類: 實牙實齒話去馬,不過未有大行動:   好多包括新小拔。
第五類: 講過下:  重多,包括女拔。

任揀。

HeiMother

Dear Etd,


Then, how about Creative Secondary School ?
Do you know which belong to which type ?



    

mattsmum

tingtingting 寫道:
Hi mattsmum,

Could you please let me have the links to the websites from which you quoted.  Thanks.

i just use a few search engines such as yahoo; or sohu and get many information as IB is quite popular in big cities in china,


eg.http://kx.pyjy.net/ReadNews.asp?NewsID=298
http://www.huijia2000.com/index.php?id=119
Ting

http://occ.ibo.org/ibis/occ/guest/home.cfm?language=CHINESE&&&
對IB有興趣是因為它的學習及考試形式像A-level考美術及大學做畢業論文:自己挑自己有興趣的題目自由發揮,不會一試定終生.

衹是不知IB如何教,教什麼.

在發現大陸有不少IB學校也在網上找到不少長篇大論的文章、很是有用;也許可去 碧桂園參觀見識一下,看來也不是很難的.以下就是從抄來的:

　　　　　　。
　　"YP國際課程"有什麼特點呢？
　　答：PYP國際課程是為3∼12歲學生設計的。它包括"五個發展要素"，"六項跨學科主題活動"，"六組學科"。它強調學科交叉和主題滲透。
"五個發展要素"是：
知識（knowledge），
概念(concepts)，
態度(attitudes)，
技能(skills)，
行動(action)。
　　
"六組學科"是：

Chunky

我諗得好間單 ： CIS 少學生入本地大學，唔代表本地大學唔收 CIS 學生。

HuiTung 寫道:
我諗你想得複雜左.

題目是"讀[有IB的]直資,係咪要考慮出國讀書?"  我只從一間學校IB results 及 uni placement 的情況去推斷, 要諗埋人家背後志在那所大學, 涉及的因素那麼多, 有需要嗎?     況且現時本地大學供IB grad 報讀的學位又有幾多?  12 年後又會增長幾多?  拿30-39分(有IB的直資grad.)同本地生的競爭又有幾多优或劣?  以常理論, 拿30-39分報外國大學又是否容易d (不是志不志在的問題)?

ChiChiPaPa

mattsmum 寫道:

"六組學科"只需從中各選3門高水準學科(higher level簡稱HL)和3門標準水平學科(standard level簡稱SL)進行學習。

讀IB課程不一定要在香港讀。選IB學校，除了看過去總分的分佈外，最重要就是看那間學校可以offer甚麼 HL 和 SL subject，和過往在這些subject上的表現。

香港的新直資學校可能沒有能力開足夠的HL和SL subjects。到時，每門學科都可能只開到一個科目供學生選擇。

mattsmum

ChiChiPaPa 寫道:
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...最重要就是看那間學校可以offer甚麼 HL 和 SL subject，和過往在這些subject上的表現。

香港的新直資學校可能沒有能力開足夠的HL和SL subjects。到時，每門學科都可能只開到一個科目供學生選擇。

where can we find these information?

how is the teaching method?

I heard it is very expensive to use IB, I think IB is like ISO2000 system.

ChiChiPaPa

不是每所學校的科目都是一樣的。可以比較一下:

香港李寶椿聯合世界書院 offers the following subjects:
Amharic A1 SL, Biology HL, Biology SL, Chemistry HL, Chemistry SL, Chinese A1 HL, Chinese A1 SL, Chinese A2 SL, Chinese Stds. SL, Czech A1 SL, Danish A1 SL, Dutch A1 SL, Economics HL, Economics SL, English A1 HL, English A1 SL, English A2 HL, English A2 SL, English B HL, English B SL, Environ.syst. SL, Finnish A1 SL, French A1 SL, French Ab. SL, French B HL, French B SL, Furth. Maths SL, Geography HL, Geography SL, German A1 SL, Hebrew A1 SL, History HL, History SL, Indonesian A1 SL, Italian A1 SL, Japanese A1 SL, Latvian A1 SL, Macedonian A1 SL, Mandarin Ab. SL, Mandarin B SL, Math.studies SL, Mathematics HL, Mathematics SL, Norwegian A1 SL, Physics HL, Physics SL, Polish A1 SL, Portuguese A1 SL, Romanian A1 SL, Russian A1 SL, Serbian A1 SL, Sesotho A1 SL, Shona A1 SL, Spanish A1 HL, Spanish Ab. SL, Spanish B SL, Swahili A1 SL, Theatre Arts HL, Theory of Knowledge TK, Turkish A1 SL, Vietnamese A1 SL and Visual Arts HL.

Nevertheless, French International School only offers the following subjects:
Biology HL, Biology SL, Chemistry HL, Chemistry SL, Economics HL, Economics SL, English A1 HL, English A1 SL, French A2 SL, French B HL, French B SL, Geography HL, Geography SL, History HL, History SL, Mandarin B HL, Math.studies SL, Mathematics HL, Physics HL, Spanish B HL and Theory of Knowledge TK

新直資可以開一個只offer少量科目的IB課程。IB的好處可能就不能有效發揮。

stevema

Thanks all of your sharing, very impressive and helpful.  My comments : After seeing the subjects opened for IB with some well developed schools, I understand why school charges student HKD10000 a month... IB subjects structure more sophisticated that uni programs, then I bet those school charges HKD1500 to 4000 cannot make it at the end. ESF can make it because gov't funds them (costs for foriegn teachers and their families, administration fee for IBO, assessment fees for each subject, each student...) Good education is really expensive, but paying more does mean that you will get more, it's really a difficult decision.  Here, I hope those school claim to run IB someday will keep their words, not let down their fans.