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發表於 06-1-13 09:51 |只看該作者

Re: 支持羅太

JSSL38 寫道:
各位家長

好多謝各位的回應,亦很歡迎老師講一講他們壓力之處,好讓我們一班外行人知道多一些。

亦希望各位辛勞工作的爸爸媽媽,講一講你們工作情況,好讓一班在""象牙塔生活""的老師知道外邊,人人工作的勞累及壓力。

非常多謝precious貼上梁立人先生的精采文章。

家和萬事興,大家共勉


after looking at all your "points", i really want to say something...

first of all, my husband and i are also teachers, we've teaching for nearly 10 years, and we witness the change of education system in hk so far..

if you've children, you'll wonder why the pace of education reform can go so fast...have you studied those education reform before?? did u know what's going on ? before and after 1997.

i disagree with you, for what ""象牙塔生活""的老師...you seems to bias and discriminate all the teachers here, including bk mamas and papas, we also have friends and our relatives who are doing other professionals..

my brother is doing surveying and my close friends are doctors and social workers, even my student, who has graudated, is doing the same job as you, he's an accountant, he told me that he only got 10k and need to work for v. long time at office and go to china....no time to go home, i know.

We totally understand their pressure and they also understand us, as they also noticed that the education reform go far beyond their understanding.

anything can be changed and we can accept certain changes in education, yes, we know,

but, do you know that we're facing our students, they're human beings, not your money, your goods, your stocks.....we 're doing something for human, can all the changes go so fast??...

the first change was a failure.....cmi/emi school.....see....nearly all bk members here still want their children go to emi school is a proof....if cmi really a success????

and lee kwok cheung, also knew this failure and said that, for cmi school, they can use part of english supplement in the curriculum for upper form students.

and for the forthcoming...2009 liberal studies run in all upper form ...a new core subject in hk secondary school>>> no experience can refer to ....and go so fast again....

and we dun support mrs law cos she didn't be a teacher before, no experience can say, i don't know why she can be such a leader in education?

tell u that, my friend, she's studying in cuhk, she's studying the same course as mrs law does...master of education....but my friend told me that she just attend the first lesson and disappeared for the whole course.......

can she be a good example???  pay her heart to education ??? wondering???

and just a month ago, mrs law said that the working hours for all the teachers just only 3.5 hours a day, so, not too much work for teachers, and she said that, all the teachers should have time to further their studies....
haha....if all the teachers no need to take care of students, no need to hold extra-curricular activities, no need to prepare our lessons, no need to contact the parents........and only attend one lesson only at university wor.....

from my points of view, some outsiders may say that teachers need to get a change, but from my understandings, sometimes i chat with my colleagues, we don't say that we won't change, but it's too quick......if we can follow the pace, can our students suffer???

be honest, i'm sympathetic to my students....you know, for our teaching syllabus, it's always changing, and they told me  why , why ???

can dss solve this problem?? that means, all the problem can be solved by money, right??  

so, if we pay, if we are rich, we can solve the problems??...

and on the otherhand,if this is true, then, this's another proof of the failure of education reform, parents don't rely on the existing education system anymore.

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發表於 06-1-13 10:40 |只看該作者

Re: 支持羅太

不是說其他行業有壓力就要教師都有壓力,只是覺得好多教師(不是全部)都以強調自己的壓力而作保住既得利益的籌碼,因為有壓力所以要免進修要求,因為有壓力所以要免被評核,因為有壓力要減少工作量等等….試問如果各行各業都要咁樣,香港哪有財力承受。

97前好景自己乜都得,但當資源緊拙時就要在分配上子細考慮,其實政府在教育的開支比例己非常之大,作為納稅人一方面己有感覺好似比多左錢但冇乜成效(拿!唔好又賴晒d官同個制度呀),另一方面d教師仲要爭取比多d資源,而目的只是為了自己飯碗,最討壓係講埋d骨卑說話什麼死守教育前線為了下一代云云(當然有d係真的),呢d就係點解d市民咁興既原因

所以唔係唔認同老師的壓力,只是而家既環境大家都在爭扎求存,好似會計師唔會話因為壓力大所以唔洗被公會review,有壓力可以吐苦水,但sun完後就積極地投入工作,一齊商討怎樣改善,始係一個真正為教育的人會做既野!而唔係天天上街反對改革,叫邊個落台同死啄住人地一句說話!

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發表於 06-1-13 10:54 |只看該作者

Re: 支持羅太

bluesky1,

You are right that parents do not like part of the reform - CMI/EMI, primary and secondary schools lucky draw system, and there are a lot of uncertainties in the new liberal studies. So parents need to consider other alternatives, yet we also don't know whether those new DSS with new concepts really work or not.  Education takes very long time and is really complicated.  

Do you support 學劵制 then?  People always say that schools and teachers will never support this as it affects their survival.  However, this is best for parents.

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發表於 06-1-13 15:18 |只看該作者

Re: 支持羅太

很同意大部份網友的意見。本來也想提筆寫兩句,不過看完報紙,發現我想寫的,有人寫了,一於抄之哉  


「自殺老師該譴責 」---- 信報專欄作家黃珍妮
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老師自殺,怎可以對他們百悲憫之心?怎可以同情?老師是很特別的一種專業人士,因為他們是萬千學子的榜樣,不是說他們自殺,跟你閣下有啥關係這麼簡單,是要問問他們居心何在?這樣地把壞的榜樣硬塞給年幼、心智未成熟的學生們!我說「死」得這樣下流的教師,不但不應有我們的憐憫,還應該要譴責!看著年紀小小的孩子為了他們敬愛的老師而洒淚便氣憤,怎可以這樣傷他們的心靈?

自殺,對演藝人來說,我們可以有雙重標準,因為他們是活在誇張情緒的虛幻世界中;如果是文人,那頂多是對他的多愁善感鑽牛角尖式情懷更有興趣,更想看看他的大作!對不起,老師們,我們對你的期望比較嚴謹,因為你們要「身教」,雖然你們不是聖人,但讓那些想攻擊政(?教)改的人拿你們來做義士去歌頌自殺的教師,這個有不妥!。。。。要批評政攻,誰都可以,但把自殺教師方便地拉攏做自己政見的殉道者,對自殺教師有「強姦屍體」的噁心感,對學生們更是一種變相歌頌自殺的錯誤訊息。

我不想加入政改罵戰,也沒興趣討論教師是否工作壓力大,我只是一位家長!怎樣子的工作壓力可以 justify 自殺?學生們也埋怨功課壓力大,都去跳樓,這便是老師希望見到的嗎 ? 利用自殺老師做政(?教)改炮灰,可恥 !

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「吾道不孤」, 抄之哉    :    Reproduced without permission  


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發表於 06-1-13 15:58 |只看該作者

Re: 支持羅太

Wunma,

我認為任何人自殺都是有罪的。 就係咁簡單。

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發表於 06-1-13 15:59 |只看該作者

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wunma 寫道:
原來, 有人認為老師自殺, 不值憐憫, 還罪加一等, 因為你的死, 對學生做成"身教", 所以你不發一言地去了, (即使可能身患絕症), 也要被譴責.

希望你在天有靈, 不會死不冥目.



話時話, "自殺", 在香港係犯法咖, 為人師表者犯法, 難道不應遣責?
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發表於 06-1-13 16:00 |只看該作者

Re: 支持羅太

Are the contents/means /ways/ pace of reforms mutually discussed and agreed with teachers, parents and students?  Absolutely Not !!

May be 上街 is only the last resort to ask the EMB to listen to ans respect them.

Again, don't always preceive that teachers are reluctant to changes.  

After all, we want our child to have better education. Keep puting critics and blame on teachers will never help.  Under this kind of atmosphere, both existing and potential quality teachers will be discouraged / dirven to leave their professions or do what they are preceived.  

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好似會計師唔會話因為壓力大所以唔洗被公會review,有壓力可以吐苦水,但sun完後就積極地投入工作,一齊商討怎樣改善,始係一個真正為教育的人會做既野!而唔係天天上街反對改革,叫邊個落台同死啄住人地一句說話!
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發表於 06-1-13 16:09 |只看該作者

Re: 支持羅太

問題係你地成日要求的只是小班教學、減少教師工作量等,呢d野政府好難應承喎,我地外行就就係想話比你地聽,行行都係面對緊呢d問題,大家都係諗緊點樣係呢d constraint 下做事!
IsaacMa 寫道:
Are the contents/means /ways/ pace of reforms mutually discussed and agreed with teachers, parents and students?  Absolutely Not !!

May be 上街 is only the last resort to ask the EMB to listen to ans respect them.

Again, don't always preceive that teachers are reluctant to changes.  

After all, we want our child to have better education. Keep puting critics and blame on teachers will never help.  Under this kind of atmosphere, both existing and potential quality teachers will be discouraged / dirven to leave their professions or do what they are preceived.  

quoted:
好似會計師唔會話因為壓力大所以唔洗被公會review,有壓力可以吐苦水,但sun完後就積極地投入工作,一齊商討怎樣改善,始係一個真正為教育的人會做既野!而唔係天天上街反對改革,叫邊個落台同死啄住人地一句說話!
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發表於 06-1-13 16:11 |只看該作者

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發表於 06-1-13 16:25 |只看該作者

Re: 支持羅太

同意任何人自殺都有罪, 但唔同意"老師"罪加一等.

相對的, 其他行業的人自殺也不會引起那麼多的討論和關注, 更重要的是已淪為政治籌碼.
我在想, 如果死者身份不是教師, 沒有張文光第一時間跳出來說是教改逼死老師, 那麼, 社會對一個當著女兒的面跳樓父親的評論又會是什麼?!

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發表於 06-1-13 16:31 |只看該作者

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wunma, 唔一定要座監才叫犯法, 自已選擇用死來企圖解決問題, 絕對應該遣責, 我亦贊成為人師表者罪加一等.
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發表於 06-1-13 16:44 |只看該作者

Re: 支持羅太

就係老師成日有呢個錯誤觀點:

"老師所承受的, 比一般人要多"

所以未攪咗咁多矛盾出嚟lor.  只係睇住自己個圈.

wunma 寫道:
你是證明了一點 - 老師所承受的, 比一般人還要多.

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hkchina2000 寫道:
wunma, 唔一定要座監才叫犯法, 自已選擇用死來企圖解決問題, 絕對應該遣責, 我亦贊成為人師表者罪加一等.
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發表於 06-1-13 16:48 |只看該作者

Re: 支持羅太

壓力多少與應否自殺是兩回事.  教師是一個特殊的職業, 在萬千學子中起著榜樣作用.

如果覺得壓力大, 就可以好似普通行業人士一樣, 一死了之 (我并不贊成), 呢個絕對自私的行為, 所以要判多一條自私罪, 所以罪加一等.
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發表於 06-1-13 16:49 |只看該作者

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發表於 06-1-13 17:00 |只看該作者

Re: 支持羅太

wunma,

同其他行業冇分別係大家都要面對工作壓力.

但係唔同行業嘅工作性質唔同, 所負嘅責任亦唔同.  如果有個消防員放火自殺, 你會唔會話佢罪加一等?

請不要曲解我嘅意思.

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wunma 寫道:
真係自打咀巴, 咁你又話教書同其他行業冇分別, 點解老師要罪加一等呀! 真係服左你啦!

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G-Ma 寫道:
就係老師成日有呢個錯誤觀點:

"老師所承受的, 比一般人要多"

所以未攪


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發表於 06-1-13 17:23 |只看該作者

Re: 支持羅太

請問如果個消防員放火自殺, 燒埋左鄰右里, 佢生前d戰友在救火中受傷呢?  

自已選擇自殺已經唔o岩, 但如果自殺之余, 還累左別人, 咁應該罪加一等wor.
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