根德園`過來人'請指教！

monmantong

Huitung,

I know your kid is studying in Kenville, can you share how did you train your kid for English part, did you send him for English courses outside? is it good?
How about the English level in Kenville, they only teach a-z for k1 + k2?

sac.wen

其實一個孩子的成敗, 除了學校教育外, 家長的參與和小孩的吸收能力都起著重要的作用.

就說我屋苑內的孩子, 單是計kv 和 sc, 大大話話都有幾十人. 每天我上班/下班 或平日落會所, 都好有機會跟他們接觸. 我只可以講, 這些小朋友質素良莠不齊, 有乖巧聰明的, 亦有無禮怕事的. 單看他們三, 兩個的表現, 就直接投射到學校的質素, 實在有點以偏慨存. (請留意這兩所學校每年出幾多畢業生)

依我多年觀察, 這兩所學校本身的平均學術質素是無可置疑的. 他們側重的科目之前亦有好多家長提及過; 所以從略. 由於題主跟我大仔一樣今年K3, 或者我多提兩所學校在K3時的分別.

st cat 要求家長多參與活動, k3 時又會主動寫 "非常好" 的推薦信, 而且, 像一般幼稚園一樣, 他們絕不吝嗇給予學生A GRADE 成績, 還有, 他們會主動提取及提交私小申請表(EG. ST FRANCIS).

至於KV, 他們不會替你提取任何申請表, 只會提供 "証明信" 給考第一的學生. 另外, A級成績是發給100 分的學生, 不是100 分就已會跌至A- 或以下... KV 的理據是, 一般學校都知他們的評分準則.

這些舉証是好是壞留待大家評論. 我只想給未入去的家長先有個心理準備, 因為你在孩子面前對學校的正面支持, 實是孩子信賴學校/老師的其中一個重要因素.

sac.wen

wow ! is it possible to just taught a-z in 2 years ? KV's english standard might not be that high but it's surely not that worse !

my son fm kv accompanied 2 st.cat girls to attend a english private tuition class taught by a foreigner this summer. I found the major difference was the 2 girls were more willing to say the "new" words though they don't know what it mean.

monmantong 寫道:
How about the English level in Kenville, they only teach a-z for k1 + k2?

monmantong

Sac wen,

is it easy to have the flwg conclusion:

Re SC- 推薦信 from school.
If you are the primary school principle, since all the letters from SC are more or less-- comments on the kids are " good",  in the mind of the primary school principle-- there is no difference and the letter is only a reference. .. they only cared about the performance, or the student's profile , or the background of the family.

Re Kenville- no reference letter
it is the practise of the school, if over 90 % of the graduated students from Kenville do not have such letter, means the reference letter is meaningless, right? so the princple only trust the name of Kenville, need not care of the letter and also cared about the performance, or the student's profile , or the background of the family, am i right?

Re your message" 單看他們三, 兩個的表現, 就直接投射到學校的質素, 實在有點以偏慨存. (請留意這兩所學校每年出幾多畢業生)" -- can you explain more ?

sac.wen

HI monmantong,

I don't want to make any conclusion on the issue. I just wanted to share what I've known. My only purpose is to "help" the potential- joiner to clarify the uncertainities before they made the final entry decision.

For the recommendation letter issue, I think parents would feel easier if they know it's KV's practice for not providing one, right ?  

HuiTung

monmantong,

I dare not say that I have the perfect way to teach my child's English and I believe that many moms have prepared for their chidren's English development well enough than me.

We use many tools at home.  My hubby is mainly responsible for the flash card job.  I read with my son everynight using ORT / ORT Read at Home (he can read Level 1 and part of the Level 2 by himself), the books provided by the school and other books brought by me.  During day time we let him watch phonics vcd, from which he learns the sounds of the 26 alphabets fast.  This is good to let him get used to the sounds before attending a proper phonics course outside I guess.

These two days, the teacher teaches my boy "A bottle of ink."  Then I teach him to make change to the sentence such as "A bottle of milk.", "A bottle of water." ... etc.  I guess it is part of the parent's job to diversify what your child has learnt from school and make it fun!   

In fact, because of your friend's message, I push myself to spend sometimes to speak English with my boy (he sometimes requests me to do so tim!) everyday.

Kentville has a picture dictionary for each child to keep at home.  K1 is learning A-Z and gives out the alphabet sheet (just picture) every week for us to put it into the picture dictionary.  I'll say it is a normal standard, otherwise, people would say the school is too pushy if the alphabet sheet has words on.  Alas!  

monmantong

HuiTung,
May i know what is ORT? is it oxford reading tree which SC is using ??

HuiTung

monmantong 寫道:
HuiTung,
May i know what is ORT? is it oxford reading tree which SC is using ??

monmantong,

Yes, but SC uses it starting from K2 as far as I'm concerned.  Moreover, ORT's Read at Home is a special series designed for 3-6 years old and is equivalent to ORT's Stage 1 - 3 (if my memory is correct.)

monmantong

Huitung,

can you tell me where i can buy these books? is it including VCD? otherwise it is hard to teach him at home..

twokidsmum

K2讀ORT Stage 1 - 3唔算太深, OK啦! KV呢, 有無要求看甚麼story book呀?

HuiTung

monmantong 寫道:
Huitung,

can you tell me where i can buy these books? is it including VCD? otherwise it is hard to teach him at home..

monmantong,

Which one you are referring to?  ORT or ORT Read at Home?

monmantong

ORT and ORt Read? what is the difference?
anyway, where can i buy ?

HuiTung

Gosh!  Here's its official website for your reference:
ORT

You may buy them from Paddyfield, Commerical Press Online Bookstore, ETC (but their prices are bit higher) or even eBay.

ChristyBBmama

如果只因為一個例子就blacklist間學校, 好像有點偏激吧! 每間學校都有咁既例子喎o 唔知未見過乖巧可人既SC學生嗎?

alc 寫道:
我認為活動教學真的會讓小朋友學得開心些,但因小女不是那些很有表現慾的小朋友,我怕她反而在活動學習中顯得被動,被忽略,反而傳統學習會讓大家公平學習.當然我會給她在外再學一些跳舞,畫畫等(她很喜歡!),讓她接觸多些不同的人和事物,培養興趣.學校是學習的地方,如果太過"活動",我怕她會不適應現實的小學.
我有朋友的女在SC K3,也是報考的一間也不成!我個人認為SC太商業啦,佢會標榜自己小一收生情況,都會幫家長寫推薦信,會教家長跟著她們所定的LIST去報小學(確保收生分佈),我朋友個女,讀咗三年,仍然一D小朋友MANNER都冇,去街食飯會捐落枱攪大家隻腳,在餐廳周圍跑,有客人到訪會躲著拉你的衣裙,直言說你到訪的朋友(大人)醜樣,我個人忍受不了這些活潑及自由創意.....我知SC是似國際學校式的活動教學,但又有幾多小學可以容許這樣呢?在推薦信中隻字不提她的行為,只會說是主動,活潑好動.....如果大家想學校會"幫"你的,可以考慮SC吧!但我又想,小朋友有樣學樣,大半班小朋友也這樣"活潑好動"又怎樣可以學習呢?

IceCrm

del.

勞媽媽

文中所提及的情況，似乎是家教問題．一個小朋友沒家教，就等於成間學校ｄ學生都係咁？Sorry,不敢苟同．小朋友沒禮貌，最大的責任是家長，而非學校．難道家長沒有責任教自己的子女嗎？

係呢條ｔｈｒｅａｄ發表既，絶大部份係ｋｖ家長，每次一講ｋｖ，就唔知點解一定又要同ｓｃ比？但係ｋｖ同ｓｃ真係好唔同，ｂｕｙ　ｋｖ個套既家長，多數都唔會ｂｕｙ　ｓｃ個套，　ａｎｄ　ｖｉｃｅ　ｖｅｒｓａ．有啲嘢就真係好主觀，冇得講．不過呢度有ｄ講到ｓｃ既情況，就似乎有好多誤解，甚至有啲ｂｉａｓｅｄ同失實，真係好ｆｅｄｕｐ．真正未拿定主意揀邊間既家長，建議你地最好可以請教有小朋友真正讀過呢兩間學校既朋友（真係朋友個ｄ朋友喎），再細心考慮小朋友的能力同性格，以及自己既ｅｘｐｅｃｔａｔｉｏｎ，先作最後決定．

ChristyBBmama 寫道:
如果只因為一個例子就blacklist間學校, 好像有點偏激吧! 每間學校都有咁既例子喎o 唔知未見過乖巧可人既SC學生嗎?

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alc 寫道:
我認為活動教學真的會讓小朋友學得開心些,但因小女不是那些很有表現慾的小朋友,我怕她反而在活動學習中顯得被動,被忽略,反而傳統學習會讓大家公平學習.當然我會給她在外再學一些跳舞,畫畫等(她很喜歡!),讓她接觸多些不同的人和事物,培養興趣.學校是學習的地方,如果太過"活動",我怕她會不適應現實的小學.
我有朋友的女在SC K3,也是報考的一間也不成!我個人認為SC太商業啦,佢會標榜自己小一收生情況,都會幫家長寫推薦信,會教家長跟著她們所定的LIST去報小學(確保收生分佈),我朋友個女,讀咗三年,仍然一D小朋友MANNER都冇,去街食飯會捐落枱攪大家隻腳,在餐廳周圍跑,有客人到訪會躲著拉你的衣裙,直言說你到訪的朋友(大人)醜樣,我個人忍受不了這些活潑及自由創意.....我知SC是似國際學校式的活動教學,但又有幾多小學可以容許這樣呢?在推薦信中隻字不提她的行為,只會說是主動,活潑好動.....如果大家想學校會"幫"你的,可以考慮SC吧!但我又想,小朋友有樣學樣,大半班小朋友也這樣"活潑好動"又怎樣可以學習呢?

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monmantong

勞媽媽 ,

Agree with you.  SC & KV is totally different type of schools, and i think most people know the difference between the cirrculum/ teaching approach. School would help the parents to teach the children the discipline, besides the academics.
But parents have the responsibility to correct their children... I hate the parent always say " maybe my child learned this bad things from school, classmates...". so parents will be wise enough to select their schools, as it represents different group of parents.

for my case, i really need the advices from the parents whose children studied in both schools, but sometimes it is unavoidable that they maybe subjective, as they have their own feelings and comments.

Therefore, for me, i will evaulate what is right, true, wrong and digest , instead of trusting only one.
but both schools are good, otherwise they cannot survire in Kln Tong for over 35 years, and there are still a lot of parents willing to send their children in, also, not all the children will have same outcome from the school, as they have different characters, different family background, different DNA, otherwise they become manufactured product from the factory. I trust every child is unique!

文中所提及的情況，似乎是家教問題．一個小朋友沒家教，就等於成間學校ｄ學生都係咁？Sorry,不敢苟同．小朋友沒禮貌，最大的責任是家長，而非學校．難道家長沒有責任教自己的子女嗎？
係呢條ｔｈｒｅａｄ發表既，絶大部份係ｋｖ家長，每次一講ｋｖ，就唔知點解一定又要同ｓｃ比？但係ｋｖ同ｓｃ真係好唔同，ｂｕｙ　ｋｖ個套既家長，多數都唔會ｂｕｙ　ｓｃ個套，　ａｎｄ　ｖｉｃｅ　ｖｅｒｓａ．有啲嘢就真係好主觀，冇得講．不過呢度有ｄ講到ｓｃ既情況，就似乎有好多誤解，甚至有啲ｂｉａｓｅｄ同失實，真係好ｆｅｄｕｐ．真正未拿定主意揀邊間既家長，建議你地最好可以請教有小朋友真正讀過呢兩間學校既朋友（真係朋友個ｄ朋友喎），再細心考慮小朋友的能力同性格，以及自己既ｅｘｐｅｃｔａｔｉｏｎ，先作最後決定．

ArgusMum

我都覺得以下例子只是個別例子,其實個小朋友做呢d行為,最大問題我都覺得係屋企既家教問題.
s.c又唔係大家講到咁商業化既.佢地標榜小一收生資料,都好正常喎...自己學校出到好學生,考到好小學,公諸比大家知,又何常唔好?相信好多家長揀幼稚園時都會做埋reserch,間學校既學生出去考私小成績啦.
我自己仔仔都在根德園讀緊,當然我好buy佢地果套教法,但s.c都唔差架,我nephew都係s.c畢業,而家在SFA讀緊3年班.
ARGUSMUM

ChristyBBmama 寫道:
如果只因為一個例子就blacklist間學校, 好像有點偏激吧! 每間學校都有咁既例子喎o 唔知未見過乖巧可人既SC學生嗎?

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alc 寫道:
我認為活動教學真的會讓小朋友學得開心些,但因小女不是那些很有表現慾的小朋友,我怕她反而在活動學習中顯得被動,被忽略,反而傳統學習會讓大家公平學習.當然我會給她在外再學一些跳舞,畫畫等(她很喜歡!),讓她接觸多些不同的人和事物,培養興趣.學校是學習的地方,如果太過"活動",我怕她會不適應現實的小學.
我有朋友的女在SC K3,也是報考的一間也不成!我個人認為SC太商業啦,佢會標榜自己小一收生情況,都會幫家長寫推薦信,會教家長跟著她們所定的LIST去報小學(確保收生分佈),我朋友個女,讀咗三年,仍然一D小朋友MANNER都冇,去街食飯會捐落枱攪大家隻腳,在餐廳周圍跑,有客人到訪會躲著拉你的衣裙,直言說你到訪的朋友(大人)醜樣,我個人忍受不了這些活潑及自由創意.....我知SC是似國際學校式的活動教學,但又有幾多小學可以容許這樣呢?在推薦信中隻字不提她的行為,只會說是主動,活潑好動.....如果大家想學校會"幫"你的,可以考慮SC吧!但我又想,小朋友有樣學樣,大半班小朋友也這樣"活潑好動"又怎樣可以學習呢?

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yoyo-mother

St. Cath 's teachers are very kind and helpful . If the parents have problems about teaching their children , the teachers will provide some solutions to the parents (including problems about behaviors or academic ).
My daughter is in SC K3 .
GHS has accepted her . (I only tried DGJS , SFA , and GHS) but failed in SFA. DGJS pending result.
Her classmates are polite and have good learning attitudes.
I think that it's not only the responsibility for the school to teach about good manner to children, parents are the key persons to teach them about good behaviors(such as sharing , say thank you and please, etc.)