如何入德瑞？

Jane1983

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哈哈，估吾到你都老貓燒鬚
幾年下來，我發覺好多家長，平時幾咁正常都好，都容吾到人地提點佢仔女（即使係善意），更易嫉妒其他人仔女好出色...

bobbycheung

annie40 發表於 15-2-2 20:41
入唔到覺得好難，入到的覺得好易。五歳人仔，不在狀態，考唔到不是孩子的錯。學校的高水平學生多，而不是全 ...

又或者係, 入唔到就覺得佢好perfect, 入到的就知道依個世界無perfect. (有d似我老婆話嫁給我之前與之後的感覺)

annie40

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你老婆得道遲啦！
我老早知道我老公唔perfect, 把口梗系無甘講 ，氹住佢娶左我之后，習慣左就順眼好多嘞！結果是以為唔多perfect, 慣左就可以perfect D.

annie40

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其實都唔算誤會。見街坊甘樣茁苗助長，已經想'丙'佢好耐，考入GSIS只會更加當孩子是資優兒（已經驗左，報告話唔系），必定加操再加操，隻馬操得太早太多，會好快瓜直。見過太多早年超班馬，Yr 5 之后，成績是ok 多少少，完全無復當年靈氣了。

shadeslayer

原帖由 naughtybj 於 15-02-02 發表
Homework, exams or even ranking are certainly not any limits to me n my girls? frankly, they are EAS ...

I think doing NOTHING and she still can perform well in every aspects, that is the way I test her limits!!!

Xxxxxxx

Then why are you asking parents here how to get into GSIS?  You should have done NOTHING, deliberately miss the application deadline and yet GSIS invite your child to join with full scholarship. That is how you test the limit, right?

Testing achievements with no input is a waste of the child's talent. Testing maximum achievements with maximum input is making the best out of the child's talent and time. Make sense, right?

bobbycheung

annie40 發表於 15-2-2 22:35
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其實都唔算誤會。見街坊甘樣茁苗助長，已經想'丙'佢好耐，考入GSIS只會更加當孩子 ...

其實我覺得這只是一個過程. 大部分家長開頭都會覺得自己個細路係叻過好多人, 甚至係資優生或天才(尤其是細細個未有成績表證明你係錯嘅時候).  但好似你話頭, 分別只不過係有人得道早(例如因為早早就比個成績表當頭棒喝), 有人得道遲(例如一路讀上去都名列前茅直至某一日井底之蛙伸個頭出井外)罷了.  老實講, 我都有時手㾗拔苗助長. 只不過有時拔拔吓發覺唔多妥, 咪即刻塞返d根落去泥土裏面.

lui

原帖由 bobbycheung 於 15-02-03 發表
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 15-2-3 01:10 編輯

有一日，前神校幼稚園校長同我傾計，當然是談對女兒教育的想法有關，佢話我係DG學生的mommy type.我聽左..就當聽下好了。我個女係有少聰明（依家大部份小朋友都係啦），不過也不至於不用花心機培養可以自己成材，而我，也不打算去拔苗囉

jolalee

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Input-Output, testing limits, feed learning 3-4 level above age appropriateness... Are we making robots or trying to nurture a child?

There's a reason why Germany band ALL sorts of classes for kids under age 6, and still produce the most scientific Nobel prize winners in the world. Insights, creativity, social understanding... These are "softwares" no textbooks or classes or programs can recreate.

I highly recommend this book by John Madina called "Brain Rules for Babies", based on the most advanced neurological research around the world. The best activity for a KG age child? A box of crayon and an empty box; leave the child with these for at least TWO HOURS at a time. Not allowing children sufficient free play and get in touch with nature everyday would be the gravest mistake a parent with young children can make. It snuffs out the brain's executive functions, which is the part of the brain which is in charge of higher thinking as well as managerial and leadership skills.

The way many Asians train their kids is the reason why we produce the best middle managers but the westerners keep filling up the CEO & president top spots (or try putting an Asian up there and see the system crumble from top down). My relatives (both Caucasian and overseas raised Asian) from various disciplines all tell me "chinese kids" (those trained in HK/China during childhood and part of adolescence) are the best high school students but worst University & post-grad materials, as well as the most frustrating colleagues in the professional fields. They simply cannot bring anything to the table, has no original solutions and always need to be told what to do.

Therefore, anyone planning to place a child in an international school, please do so with a love in trying to nurture the child in the best possible way (but expect stronger rebellion from kids who can think on their own). As fellow parents has pointed out, parents need to prepare to let go, learn to socialize with westerners (including parents drinking nights while the kids sleeps at 8pm), allow kids to have skinned knees & bruises, and let children explore, inquire, and fall in love with books on their own. If parents prepare to bring into the IS the Asian way of pushing the child in all disciplines from the cradle to the grave (well, at least until the end of University application), then please save the $2000+ application fee and use it to enroll the child in more classes.

jolalee

Jane1983 發表於 15-2-1 22:46
...不過，中文亦係一個考慮，初小無中文堂，點都係third language ...

Yes you are absolutely correct. A fellow parent whose elder son is in GSIS Grade 1, laments the lack of a chinese environment over there. He has one mandarin lesson per week in school as a paid after school "interest class", and an additional class outside of school. The additional mandarin teacher outside told the parent the boy would need another mandarin class per week in order to reach the minimum comprehension level. She's beginning to worry now....

On the other hand, her younger daughter who is my son's classmate (Reception year, k2 equivalent), is receiving daily mandarin classes. Today we went to school to help with CNY craft making in their mandarin class. I was pleasantly surprised that after just 5 months of 1/2 hr per day only exposure to mandarin, most of the kids can comprehend and respond to the teacher's instructions and questions. Half the class are non-Chinese. I suspect that most kids there has extra mandarin classes outside of school though (although the two parents I talked to didn't). A fellow Chinese mom thought the kids are not responding enough though, so I guess everyone's standard is different...

lui

原帖由 jolalee 於 15-02-03 發表
本帖最後由 jolalee 於 15-2-3 02:51 編輯

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我家有五個大到可裝1.5個大人既紙皮箱，是一個好玩玩皃。可以俾小朋友想像

jolalee

naughtybj 發表於 15-2-3 03:27
Nope, she learns by herself; her languages are better than all my nuture environment or people; no p ...

Excellent, you can get her tested at Aristle.

If you are not giving your child extra lessons outside of school, and she is reaching many milestones above her age, than you should consider putting her in IMS instead. Montessori is great with nurturing gifted kids as the children choose their own work and work on their own pace. They are also in mixed aged classes so she can work on mat'ls years in advance without feeling out of place. Although IMS only go up to Primary 6, their graduates are admitted to the top IS in HK including GSIS & CIS, with a better primary school system IMHO . I believe your child can thrive there.


However, I have a feeling you won't consider IMS because it does not have as big a name as GSIS CIS DGJS. Please remember to put your child's development above your own ego.

shadeslayer

原帖由 jolalee 於 15-02-03 發表
本帖最後由 jolalee 於 15-2-3 04:26 編輯

Once I heard a Asian parent in a parent event say:

Parent:

My boy finished all homework and class material with ease. How should I bring other more difficult exercises to challenge my boy?

Teacher:

You don't. You don't challenge your child with deeper materials. You should challenge your child with wider materials. There is whole world of knowledge the school is unable to put into the curriculum,  astronomy, art of debate, sports science, or simple more sports.

I like that answer. Of course it does not apply to geniuses. But good advice for most of us mere mortals.

shadeslayer

原帖由 jolalee 於 15-02-03 發表
本帖最後由 jolalee 於 15-2-3 03:26 編輯

You don't get it, the point is not minding how clever the child is and what her limits are and needing what level of inputs to achieve what milestones. Just let a child be a child and do childish things.

By going to GSIS/CIS/DGS certainly will not "test" her limits because obviously not all of their students are gifted. It does not proof anything.

Having said all these you have your right to be minding as much or as little as you like, or testing as much or as little as you like. But going to a school which does not believe in testing or reaching limits at an age of 5 when your only reason to change school is "testing" limits is a guaranteed disaster. You choose a school because that is the "best" available education for a child, not because you want to test limits.

annie40

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哈哈，你真系好老實，和好手藝。坦白講，發白日夢時，我都有手痕，痕到咁上下，諗起周圍的前輩都無拔草，自己就唔敢試拔，因為塞番落D泥的技巧是非常考功夫，自問十分粗魯，棵草被我塞爛的機會好大。
老兄是藝高人膽大，佩服！

jolalee

shadeslayer 發表於 15-2-3 07:40
You don't get it, the point is not minding how clever the child is and what her limits are and need ...

Shadeslayer, your post [#77] was quoting mine [post #71] on Chinese acquisition in LOWER PRIMARY at GSIS, which has nothing to do with your response. I believe your meant to address 樓主's post [#72 or #73], is that correct? Just wanna clarify before proceeding.

Yes, I have the same feeling after explaining the uselessness of testing limits and the need to nurture a child outside of school circiculum with neurological evidence [posting #70], but felt that our host of this thread is much like an ox-skinned lantern. Knowing it is impossible to convince closed mindset, and in fear of a mismatch (really don't want this type in our schools), I pointed her in the right direction. A Montessori environment may suit this type of parenting and children, without the risk of ruining ours.