英研究﹕教文法無助英文寫作

ambrose

握緊拳頭時，

好像抓住了許多東西，

其實連空氣都沒抓到！

張開雙臂時，

好像雙手空空，

但全世界就都在你手心！」

KWT

請恕我多嘴回應.為什麼要分GA,CA?其實英文就是英文,視乎需要取材,可不可以一半GA,一半CA?或者成份跟隨環境需要而變化?問問我們的目的何在?無非想小朋友或大家學好英文.再想想自己的經驗或得到的體會,究竟在什麼情況下,小朋友比較容易吸收英文?

我記得大仔學英文時(觀課),老師拿著本大的故事書,小朋友圍著坐在她前面,有時老師讀一兩個句子,然後叫學生輪流讀,淺而短的句子,甚至於短到只有一個"Oh!"字,就叫一些英文程度比較追不上的同學讀,答問題也是如此,總之人人有份參與,又不覺得自己技不如人.兩三個月後,再觀課,覺得同學水準差不多.關於寫作,開始時鼓勵他們寫,寫什麼都不要緊,最重要不使他們覺得寫作是苦差,然後才慢慢逐少逐少改文章的錯處.好似有時我也問老師,仔仔間中將"of "寫作"fo",左右調轉字母,老師反而說,可能是"eye-sight or brain"未成熟,大些再有問題才跟進.如此寬容,日子有功,就這樣學英文,學得很覺有趣.但細仔學英文,却非常傳統,有錯即改,一句一句的很死板教,而細仔只是交行貨一樣,沒有自發力,成績差很遠.

我覺得小朋友有自信心學語文很重要.而"活"的教育方法最重要.要活的方法必須有教學"活"的老師.偏偏我們却缺乏這些老師.怎樣將教材教得生動才重要.分工赿細,赿會迷失源頭所在,會不會忘却它原來是什麼?

wetfoot

lochan 寫道:
! Frankly speaking, I agree with wetfoot that somewhere in the midlle there is an optimum solution in employing both G.A. and C.A.

lochan,
Did I say that? It seems to have been said by someone else. 不敢韜人家的光。

Hey Guys,
Just feel free to use your "handy" language; It doesn't matter it is Chinese or English so long as you think it can be understood by people here. As what Philip said, use the type(s) you feel it is more 存神和到肉。

其實並不一定需要手寫板，通常Windows已安裝有手寫輸入法。

題外話：昨日李國章在立法會反駁議員假民主真是精彩，我鼓掌支持！希望教育制度可以漸見曙光。

lochan

wetfoot,

It should be ykwong instead. I got hacked somany times that i forgot haha..

"As what Philip said, use the type(s) you feel it is more 存神和到肉。"
I will resort to writing in English then.

"其實並不一定需要手寫板，通常Windows已安裝有手寫輸入法"
As a computer illiterate, can you show me how?

"題外話：昨日李國章在立法會反駁議員假民主真是精彩，我鼓掌支持！希望教育制度可以漸見曙光'
I may agree totally what Mr. Lee said, but I do appreciate his guts to speak out what he believes. BTW, do you have that conversation on hand for sharing?

Mimi_Ma

Philipwhau 寫道:


李 國 章 狂 寸 議 員 浪 費 公 帑 全 文

李國章夠 "吉士" 明刀明槍去批評和 狂 "寸" 那些尊貴的議員，絕不賣別人的賬！

李局長，夠 "吉士"！好o野！

路過 ,  都是題外話.

李局長 真係好好好...o野  !     
    

wetfoot

lochan 寫道:
"其實並不一定需要手寫板，通常Windows已安裝有手寫輸入法"
As a computer illiterate, can you show me how?

lochan：
如未設定Windows手寫辨識法，Win xp 的設定如下：

開始-控制台-地區及語言選項-語言-文字服務和輸入語言[詳細資料]-設定[新增]-中文(台灣)手寫辨識

其他OS設定大同小異，由Win me開始已有此功能。

lochan

Thanks, I 'll try to digest your advice and figure it out hopefully. I am typically older generation..

fannychoi

睇黎李局長都有機會當第三界特首~~~佢真係覺得d 老師人工太高~~又覺得教院收d 學生太差....所以用盡方法cut~~~

eviepa

Hi everybody,

Do we ever got Communicative approach in HK?

In my days when I took Secondary School Entrance Examination, it was nearly 100% grammar. No doubt that it was grammar approach.

But now, when you take any primary school English text book, you can find that there are certain % of the content looks like communicative approach.  But the main focus is still in grammar.  I believe that primary pupils spend over 50% of their time in grammar, and memorizing vocabularies is the second major component.  So I suspect that grammar and dictation occupy at least 80% of the pupils' time.

If my observation is correct, HK has never ever adopted communicative approach.

If I am wrong, please let me know.

fannychoi

ambrose 寫道:
一家唔知一家事, 我唔係得閒唔教而係要搵食,
是否借口, 自己最清楚, 唔駛話養不教誰之過....
係我錯, 我老豆唔係李嘉x, 好吧番去resign, 專心親子....

....唔得閒就上少d 網la

囝囝爸

我覺得, 香港英語教學, 兩頭唔到岸!

究竟哪種方法才能最有效教好學生的英文？是我們現時采用的活潑生動的傳意式，還是要打好根基的文法式教育？這個問題近二十年來教育界不斷反覆討論。

據明報報導，本港教統局長羅范椒芬說要檢討現時英文教學法，正是指香港自八十年代起沿用的「傳意式教學」。但有校長則建議應在高小課程開始，增加教授文法，打好學生根基。

「傳意式教學」與六、七十年代所用的「文法式教學」側重點不同，前者籲重培養英語溝通能力，透過不同的處境施教，例如教導學生早上碰面時應說什麽、如何有禮貌地打招呼等；後者則會較多教授文法，如名詞、動詞的定義，句子結構的分析等。

七十年代，傳意式教學法在歐洲大行其道，本港在八十年代也引入該教學法。


文法教學零碎難打基礎

有校長稱，現時中小學甚少有系統地教授文法，只是把它滲進不同的內容中，零碎非常，故學生的文法基礎未如理想。

另一方面，香港客觀環境上未能提供有利的英語環境予學生練習：一來師生比例高，課上難以每人也有說話機會；二來下課後，除非有機會接觸外籍人士，否則也甚少用得上英語，因此會話不理想也可以理解。

初等教育研究學會主席李杰江認爲，當局應在高小課程上加入語法，他稱現時語法的教授只是隱藏在教學法中，且教學上很多時是「課本主導」，當課本沒有系統地教授時，教師可能會以沒時間及課程以外爲由而沒有教授。


"My Early Life" is one of my favorite books.

Besides a great politician, Sir Winston Churchill won the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1953.  In his book, My Early Life, he wrote:

"However, by being so long in the lowest form I gained an immense advantage over the cleverer boys.  They all went on to learn Latin and Greek and splendid things like that.  But I was taught English.  We were considered such dunces that we could learn only English.  Mr. Somervell – a most delightful man to whom my debt is great – was charged with the duty of teach the stupidest boys the most disregarded thing – namely, to write mere English.  He knew how to do it.  He taught it as no one else has ever taught it.  Not only did we learn English parsing thoroughly, but we also practiced continually English analysis.  Mr. Somervell has a system of his own. He took a fairly long sentence and broke it up into its components by means of black, red, blue and green inks.  Subject, verb, object: Relative Clauses, Conditional Clauses, Conjunctive and Disjunctive Clauses!  Each has its colour and its bracket.  It was a kind of drill.  We did it almost daily.  As I remained in the Third Fourth three times as long as anyone else, I had three times as much of it.  I learned it thoroughly.  Thus I got into my bones the essential structure of the ordinary British sentence – which is a noble thing.  And when in after years my schoolfellows who had won prizes and distinction for writing such beautiful Latin poetry and pithy Greek epigrams had to come down again to common English, to earn their living or make their way, I did not feel myself at any disadvantage."

Jokey2828

An excellent piece of writing from Sir Churchill to share.

judy

子曰："學而不思則惘。"，文法是甚麽，是"學而且思"所得出之結果。如有二精通英文的家長，一人只伴讀和交談，一人加上教文法，理論上，教文法的小朋友英文定更好，因為他明白法則，知道背後原因。

當然，明白法則不够，要多讀。說真的，要令香港小朋友爱英文的确很難，特别父母是教育水平低的那群兒童，在這清形下講"傳意式教學"，簡直多餘。

"約克大學教育研究系教授，檢視過去百年，在英語國家進行的55個英語教學研究，指沒有證據顯示，教授文法跟改善學生寫作能力有任何關係"，單從這篇報看来，約克大學教育研究系教授用统計的方法，得到此結果，不會錯的。問題是：任何人用统計的方法得到結果，都要加以說明，佐以背後理論，不然，只變成趣談。

ambrose

fannychoi,

上網係公司吞"poke". 其實我日日放工都有1-2小時教仔同埋玩, 不過唔抵得d全職媽媽唔體諒我等在職媽媽. 不過你係唔係寸我?

Jokey2828

Judy, I can't agree with you more. “約克大學教育研究系教授用统計的方法，得到此結果，不會錯的。問題是：任何人用统計的方法得到結果，都要加以說明，佐以背後理論，不然，只變成趣談。” Look, the study was carried out in the English speaking countries, where English is their first or maybe second language. These people are using English everyday. They already know the grammatical rules, like Subject+Verb+Object, Tense, Conjunction, Preposition…. In Hong Kong, our situation is totally different. Most children still do not know how to construct a proper sentence. Things like “I today with mammy go buy apple” is still a common place. How can they benefit from a Communicative Approach?

Having said that, I still consider the use of both Approaches at the same time is the most desirable. Each school should assess its students’ English proficiency before arriving at a balance between the two.

Jokey2828

judy

睇黎李局長都有機會當第三界特首~~~佢真係覺得d 老師人工太高~~又覺得教院收d 學生太差....所以用盡方法cut~~~

理論上，一個地區是否發達，看其大學生數目就可知一二。正如Matt'smum說的 "a doctor can be a reporter in CBS news giving in-depth information about child attention deficit disorder, an actor can be a politician, a writer can be a movie producer, etc. "，所以，只要有錢，投資大學一定無錯，大學生多到去掃地，有何不可。九七後，大學生增加1/3，反而不斷Cut budget，中小學生減1/3，反而不減反增，不知是甚麽道理。

本来，如果教院之學生，畢業後，如找不到工作，肯去"掃地"，而不是象現時一樣，像社會負他們似的，一定要給教席給他們。政府無理由對他們實行計劃經濟，為他們分配學生的人數。既然政府一定要為他們找工作似的，孩童人口減少，減少教院學生人數，是理所當然了。加上，資源不可能無限，所以，對辦得好的加以獎勵，教院被Cut，天經地道。