小學慘痛經歷

WaWaMom

After reading the news about a 綜緩 couple toured Thailand, my friend came up with an idea that the gov’t should pay a foreign maid (~4000/month) for single-parent families and requested those moms/dads to work. In that way, if they want to provide more ECA for their kids, then they have to work harder.

Any comment?

WYmom

Yes, particularly seeing that "separated" couple Mr.and Mrs. Ko rescued in Thailand, spending $8K on the trip, only in their 20s, getting $10,000+ every month without doing anything, I will ask myself " Why we need to work so hard? For what?"

We have to carry the burden of negative property for life, save money to support better education of kids and our own retirement (properly will be earlier now in the sunset industry)... So if we cannot earn a lot to be very rich, it will be better to quit the job, join this communist world and just get benefits from govt.  It is really worst to stuck in the middle...  

judy

We have to carry the burden of negative property for life, save money to support better education of kids and our own retirement (properly will be earlier now in the sunset industry)... So if we cannot earn a lot to be very rich, it will be better to quit the job, join this communist world and just get benefits from govt. It is really worst to stuck in the middle...

望子女快高長大是人的天性。今年暑假末，阿大的同學仔来作客。我見到阿大的同學仔一個暑假高了很多，滿不是味兒，而數落阿大："叫你吃多點飯，你又不聽，睇吓人地。"，過幾天，我拿出校服讓阿大試穿。短了很多，我又不禁自言自語起来："刚買了書，又要買校服..."。我見阿大瞪着我，立即收聲。收慢的，實比她話轉頭。

我等雖稱中產，實連一套校服也要精打細算。反觀拿綜援的，每年校服實報實销。夏冬两季，均有特别津貼。聽做银行的朋友說：拿萬多二萬，像出雙粮一樣。

TWMa

WaWaMom 寫道:
After reading the news about a 綜緩 couple toured Thailand, my friend came up with an idea that the gov’t should pay a foreign maid (~4000/month) for single-parent families and requested those moms/dads to work. In that way, if they want to provide more ECA for their kids, then they have to work harder.

Any comment?

常覺自己都算幸福人, 捱了幾年總算都可起番身, 但身邊不少昔日的 "中產朋友", 除了尚不符資格領綜援外, 日常生活享受和領綜援者差別也不大! (還更缺少親子時間)
所以......... 到底有沒有地方可讓我們出一口氣 :evil:

呢個 Topic 就黎變 "中產慘痛經歷"!

WaWaMom

佢地話自己低技能,

Jean

TWMa所言甚是, 自家放工回家只有三幾小時要睇功課搞親子, 而每樣開支都要度過算過, 比起那些取綜援的媽媽可以一整天照顧孩子, 真不是味兒. 是我們還是他們身在福中不知福...

sasa0717

雖然今日考試，但都上黎講兩句先。

TWMa所言甚是, 自家放工回家只有三幾小時要睇功課搞親子, 而每樣開支都要度過算過, 比起那些取綜援的媽媽可以一整天照顧孩子, 真不是味兒. 是我們還是他們身在福中不知福...

各位有野做既媽媽，雖然你地話親子時間短左，開支又要度過算過，好似比起綜援的媽媽兩手閒閒舒服好多！不過，我覺得一個人有手有腳比政府養，我反而覺得佢地好慘 :-x ！
店解，大家唸唸先！我溫書先，今晚再上來分享。

CEMA

I was also born in a poor family.  My mother even could not afford a Vitasoy.  She bought ruined fruit because of cheap price.  For sure, we could not learn piano, violin, ballet...  However, we were warm and happy.  All three brothers are professionals, doctors, pharmas and ortho...  Well, please don't mentioned myself, just a stupid woman, maybe my parents spoiled me too much.  

Anyway, go back to our topic ----- poor family is able to become rich at some day as long as they willing to work hard.  Our family, by now, we can afford those extra activities for our next generation.   We "succeed" only because my parents was able to provide a warm family for us to grow up.  That is enough.  

The top girl (10A) of last year's HKCEE, who lives in Tuen Mun, hadn't joined any 補習班 or extra activities but only visit library for her spare time.   

So, if anyone wants to be success, he should know what to do instead of relying on sponsorship.

CEMA

WYmom

sasa0717 寫道:
雖然今日考試，但都上黎講兩句先。
[quote]TWMa所言甚是, 自家放工回家只有三幾小時要睇功課搞親子, 而每樣開支都要度過算過, 比起那些取綜援的媽媽可以一整天照顧孩子, 真不是味兒. 是我們還是他們身在福中不知福...

各位有野做既媽媽，雖然你地話親子時間短左，開支又要度過算過，好似比起綜援的媽媽兩手閒閒舒服好多！不過，我覺得一個人有手有腳比政府養，我反而覺得佢地好慘 :-x ！
店解，大家唸唸先！我溫書先，今晚再上來分享。 [/quote]

Yes, it is the issue of our dignity. I don't mind paying tax to help those very old really poor people, or those disabled, but not those like the Ko couple? They should really feel shameful and be punished, or else people are encouraged to quit or reject jobs intentionally and live on govt subsidies...

lochan

wow, this is becoming a thread to express our middle-class dissatisfaction to the Gov & society! I am a victim as well to certain extent.

twma, wycom,

I heard on the radio yesterday 'bout a single parent, she work her butt off to support her family and children's education. Her family cannot afford a vacation for so many years! She is a middle class like us too! Think about those who do not need to work and got fed by the Gov who can still have vacation in Phuket!!!!!!

Back to topic. I think we have neglect that tax payers' money had been used in mostly running the LOCAL EDUCATION SYSTEM!!!! That's why the school fee is so dirt cheap (or zero?)!!! You can say that they are not satisfactory, then you have a choice to pay a higher school fee by entering IS or private school. Of course, we can only daydream of one day that local schools can use creative thinking approach...

For your info, I know that DBSPD has a scheme to help family who cannot afford the full tuition. I don't believe they are trying to say no to the lower income family although it is still not free of charge.

One thing I like to stress is that the main reason to go to IS is not to learn to speak fluent English, it is an important reason but not the utmost one. It is the teaching approach that is most important!!! Don't take your kids to IS simply wanting them to speak fluent English!

my 2 cents..

sasa0717

我認為，香港之教育制度，比九七前好多，起碼，有更多之直資學校。

我覺得，起直資學校，拆收生不足的學校是一件好事呀！收生不足的學校都是一些程度低既學校，直資學校如陳守仁、真道、港大同學會、優才和浸大附小、佢地都係請有水準既老師、有專業地研究教學，我覺得可提升香港學生既教育水準呀。

sasa0717

各位有野做既媽媽，雖然你地話親子時間短左，開支又要度過算過，好似比起綜援的媽媽兩手閒閒舒服好多！不過，我覺得一個人有手有腳比政府養，我反而覺得佢地好慘

Yes, it is the issue of our dignity. I don't mind paying tax to help those very old really poor people, or those disabled, but not those like the Ko couple? They should really feel shameful and be punished, or else people are encouraged to quit or reject jobs intentionally and live on govt subsidies...

我覺得，搵到錢當然自己搵好啦！一個人有手有腳比政府養，做人有乜意義呢，一d滿足感都無？難進人生只係追求‘唔冼做、有錢用’咁簡單？
好似我同d同學咁，我地父母比我地既零用錢好多嫁，不過，我地都會去打工去實習，我地追求既係actualisation！自己賺既血汗錢、冼個時個想法都唔同啦！幾有成功感呀！羅綜援個四支建全既人d都無呢種感覺啦！綜援係應該比一d正正無工作能力既人，而由我地有工作能力、係同一個社會下既人來支持佢地！

有一個心理學家Maslow's Hierarachy of Needs：
人生中有７級，大家又係邊級呢？
第７級Physiological  (hunger, thirst, warmth)
第６級Safety (security)
第５級Belongingness and love needs
第４級Esteem needs (to achieve, be competent)
第３級Cognitive needs (to know, understand and explore)
第２級A esthetic (symmetry, order)
第１級Self-Actualisation (to find seld-fulfilment and realise potential)
Peak experiences are profound moments of love, understanding, or happiness; the person  more aware of truth, justice, harmony and goodness.

有手有腳羅綜援，真係一d都無滿足感。去到旅行又店？米又係對世界無恭獻。個社會係你我大家一齊做出黎嫁麻！feels more whole, alive, a part of the world,

beseem2003

有些攞綜援既人唔係淨逗政府既錢架，佢地最大問題唔係無工作能力，唔係懶，係貪心，想攞多Ｄ，佢地會偷偷地做外快，唔比社工知。
極端例子就好似出哂名果對高姓夫婦，個老公唔係無工作架，佢係油尖旺Ｄ古惑仔，不過係工作唔正當，收入唔穩定姐。四四正正一個大男人，去補領証件時為左要得到免費補助而嘈交，實在令人齒冷。佢Ｄ心態就係：我係綜援人士，衣食住行政府要同我搞掂哂，另外個個月再比一筆錢我，我點用係我既事，如果我有時間有心情亦可以去賺下錢，你亦都咪理！

Glau

其實政府有無統計或者可以公佈

ykwong

stccmc 寫道:

YK,

你近來的發言好正!

豈有此理！咁即係話我以前ｄ發言好廢姐 :evil:

sasa0717,

點解你個 Maslow 有7級，我學o個個得5級o既？

WaWaMom

* One thing I like to stress is that the main reason to go to IS is not to learn to speak fluent English, it is an important reason but not the utmost one. It is the teaching approach that is most important!!! Don't take your kids to IS simply wanting them to speak fluent English! *


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