日學生成績大跌 歸咎無壓力教育

TWMa

這樣的例子比比皆是, 這也是許多人觀察到--- 香港的學生在小學、中學的成績往往叻過歐美的學生, 但一上大學, 考試或論文不再是是非、選擇、填空這些 "背多分" 題時, 就顯得技不如人的最大原因

lochan 寫道:
The danger in blindly chasing good results is that the purpose of learning is distorted. Achieving good results on a subject does not necessarily mean the child will fully understand the subject. A child will chase for good results and study only the minimum required in the syllabus and will not concern whether they fully understand it or not. He will also tend to memorise without understanding thoroughly the material if time is not allowed and that is more terrible than getting poor results in long run during his life long quest for knowledge!

judy

一個故事：話說一善人死後轉世。臨投胎前，閻王問他："你前世積了德，今世將能盡享清福，你有甚麽要求"。善人說："我要爸爸做宰相，兒子當狀元，而我，無憂無慮過一世"。

善人投胎後，爸爸果然做宰相，兒子果然當狀元。而他却终日游手好閒。宰相很氣憤，責罵善人不如人。善人笑嘻嘻地對宰相說："你爸爸不如我爸爸，你兒子不如我兒子，還有甚麽可比的。"

"我們老是拿自己的孩子去跟別人比，比成績、比才藝、…，如果哪一天孩子拿我們去跟別人的父母比，你會開心嗎？如果有一天，你的孩子告訴你：「爸爸！你要當上總統我才愛你！」你，會怎麼樣？"

做爸媽的，很少會要求孩子要怎樣怎樣才愛他。如果將来兒子告訴你：「爸爸！你要當上總統我才愛你！」，我想，這是無辦法的了。我想，壓力是自然的，就算Lochan所舉的國際學校例子，也有壓力，也有比較。面對壓力，不去强調他，就行了。

lochan

Wunma and other parents,
Please see my reply in bold.

wunma 寫道:
lochan,

"The danger in blindly chasing good results is that the purpose of learning is distorted"

I don't think the purpose of learning will be affected if we want to get good academic results. It depends on how you achieve the goal.

I don't disagree with you. As I said, if the goal is to thoroughly learn and understand the subject and the end result is good grades, that's fine.

"Achieving good results on a subject does not necessarily mean the child will fully understand the subject. "

I don't think a child can really achieve good result if he/she cannot fully understand the subject.

Believe it or not, I am a typical example or victim. Like many of my schoolmates, we swallow the material without chewing nor actually tasting it. I did get good grades but fell short when compare with other Caucasians when studying University abroad (This happens to most of my old schoolmates in HK who studied abroad) Don't you realise that education system in HK does not require a child to fully understand the subect?

"A child will chase for good results and study only the minimum required in the syllabus and will not concern whether they fully understand it or not. He will also tend to memorise without understanding thoroughly the material if time is not allowed and that is more terrible than getting poor results in long run during his life long quest for knowledge!"

Again, I don't believe that if a child just memorizing things without understanding the content, he/she will get high marks.

Believe it or not, I am again a typical example or victim! I used to memorise what the teachers tipped us, studying tons of past papers and memorise the answer, skip the topics if the teacher said he would not put it in exam, study mechanically tons of workbooks. I prepared for the exam for the sake of getting good grades and I did get good grades! Oh my, I did all the bad things and I certainly don't want my child to follow my footsteps! I have been through the pain and am not afraid to speak out my experience in  hope that parents can at least give a little thought about it

judy

“這間傳統名校, 學生自由自在地享受學校生活：啃書的啃書、搞學會的搞學會、運動的運動……似乎學生都能在這片小天地盡情發揮自己個性和特長，建立自己的空間。學校辦學的基本信念──人性本善: 師長對學生有真誠的尊重和信任。考試成績不是評價學生的唯一標準。一切的學習和活動，往往由學生的自由意志驅策。而自由氣息得以滲透學校每一個角落，依靠的是學生的自律和自重。”

係唔係華仁。

precious

“在香港的教育制度下, 我唔信可以完全做到唔著重成績, 只注重親子關係, 每晚同呀仔呀女說說故事便可增強語文能力.”

--- 我相信您應親身體驗一下. 但不是三兩個月, 而是三兩年的努力, 那您可以知道您小朋友同其他小朋在語文能力上的分別了.
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"多聽、多講和多看都能提高語文能力" 當然沒錯, 我是不相信"單憑"每晚同呀仔說說故事, 而完全唔注重校內成績, 可以滿足得到升上好中學的要求”

---- 晚晚講故事, 與完全唔注重校內成績, 兩者沒有任何關係的.
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“Again, I don't believe that if a child just memorizing things without understanding the content, he/she will get high marks.”

---- To get high marks in primary and even lower secondary level, yes, it can!   Primary examination does not require kids to analyze, or to think.  Good memory people always get advantages and hence to have better result.
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“成績 is very important when you are comparing to YOURSELF. Any improvement is considered 成績. Local school judge a child's 成績 by measuring his abilities at a dedicated time frame against dedicated group of children in a class. I mentioned earlier that different child has his own learning path, some quicker when young, slow down when grow up; some slow starting but caught up at later stage”

---- This is fully agreed.   Achievement is important, in study and in our life. Endeavor to do a good job; to achieve a good result is our milestone.

lochan

Sounds like a dream school!

My old school was supposed to be one of the top schools in HK but of no match to this school in terms of school's belief and motto.

TWMa

八o下
wunma 沒記錯的話, 兒子讀喇沙的, 不知 lochan 兒子的學校是那一間呢?

lochan 寫道:
Sounds like a dream school!

My old school was supposed to be one of the top schools in HK but of no match to this school in terms of school's belief and motto.

lochan

Wunma,

If what you said is true, that is good news. But according to my friends whose children used to study in some of the top schools in HK, it is still the same as what I have experienced many years ago. The teacher came in not to teach, but instead expecting the students to study beforehand at home or by homework assistant. They do not encourage questions as it will slow down the teaching, they do not allow student to challenge the teacher even if the teacher is wrong, they demand the student to memorise massive loads of study material. The school simply killed the creativity of a child. One of my friend's child finally switched to Int'l school and is excelling in in many aspects and most importantly, she is much much happier than before as well as her mom.

I really hope what you have said is true,  I also think that some schools are more open-minded than others. But the examples are yet too few...

This is only based on my exposure, can you name a few schools whichare as good as what you have mentioned above for my reference?

lochan

I studied in LSC ages ago. I still think it is still an excellent all-rounded school apart from the fact that the method of teaching which is spellbound by local education system, which is not the school's fault.

My son will be studying at DBSPD next year. Of course, he will have to give up the quota for LSPS.

Philwhau,
Well said. Pressure and expectations, not inserted by parents, is positive element to stimulate a child. Bear in mind moderation and balance is the key word though it is hard to strike a balance.

LINUS

Matt'smum 寫道:
there is at least one famous traditional school who does not rank students based on academic result,
“這間傳統名校, 學生自由自在地享受學校生活：啃書的啃書、搞學會的搞學會、運動的運動……似乎學生都能在這片小天地盡情發揮自己個性和特長，建立自己的空間。學校辦學的基本信念──人性本善: 師長對學生有真誠的尊重和信任。考試成績不是評價學生的唯一標準。一切的學習和活動，往往由學生的自由意志驅策。而自由氣息得以滲透學校每一個角落，依靠的是學生的自律和自重。”
from "自由之路：一間傳統名校的學習生活"  作者 : 林智中

but i don't know which school it is about.

"自由之路"一書所指的是[size=large]九龍華仁.