香港英語教育出了甚麽問題？

samuel89

ANChan59 發表於 12-10-25 09:27
好多時香港教育問題源於家長，拉低香港英文水平及重要性是於事無補，因為世界是平的，我們淪落，但其他地區不會放軟手腳，只會更落後，最開心是星架坡政府。

最開心應該是香港政府d高官, 貴人。........因為佢地d官2代,富2代假假地肯定都浸過"鹹水"呵.....

ANChan59

awah112 發表於 12-10-25 11:33
其一是缺乏英語環境，侄仔喺香港學校英文成績算叻，但剛去到英國時完全溝通唔到，不過只要半年時間習慣就冇 ...

同意語境的重要性。
我識不少香港同學唔同外籍同學玩，成日群住香港人，當年日日煲劇集，話在英美加澳十年八年，但英語真係進步有限。

HKTHK

I think it is the lack of an English environment.  If one watches English news, TV shows or movies often, then their English can't be that bad.  For myself, my English only really picked up after I left and studied in the US.  To be able to use a language effectively, I think one needs to be "immersed" in that environment.

The level of English in HK is very dichotomized.  The students at international schools should be fine and the bigger concern is on their Chinese.  The level of English at local schools, with the exception of a few, is atrocious.  Most don't seem to be able to express themselves whether in an interview or a presentation.

The one question I do wonder about is the switch by many schools to teaching Chinese in mandarin.  Would this also further dilute down the level of Chinese in HK?  Most people do not speak mandarin at home and if the only opportunity for them to use mandarin is for an hour or two a day in their Chinese lesson, is this enough?  Would students be able to acquire fluency and sufficient vocabulary to one day work in a mandarin only setting?

HKTHK

Personally, I think the children from China will catch up very quickly.  Many of them now choose to study abroad at some point.  And those children will be as fluent as most HK kids if not more so.

ANChan59

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當大家將角度由國內轉往在海外讀中學的國內孩子，你講的情況跟我所見，有頗大落差。我唔會單看傳統國內畢業生。

HKTHK

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Honestly, for those studying abroad, I often find the kids from China more hungry and driven which is an advantage over HK kids.

ANChan59

HKTHK 發表於 12-10-30 16:57
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Honestly, for those studying abroad, I often find the kids from China more hun ...

That's my observation too.

HKTHK

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Kind of leads to the more important question, do HK kids have an edge anymore?

ANChan59

HKTHK 發表於 12-10-30 17:09
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Kind of leads to the more important question, do HK kids have an edge anymore? ...

Deep in my heart, declining......
Unfortunately, some parents don't even see the threat(s).

ahdee

Agree in most areas that students from China are better than local students. However, from my own experience with the graduate students from China and HK,  local students might be more adaptable to  team work than their peers from China. At least in terms of team management (not necessary the deliverables as some individuals from China are really bright), our kids are a bit better. I guess probably under "one child" policy, kids from China put a really strong emphasis on individual success rather than team work.

CHAN-2

內地尖子教八十後跳槽

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曾犯低級錯誤

因為陳曉瑋在亞瑪遜出版的英文電子新書《Quit Small Jobs, Make Big Money》（八十後教你跳槽搵錢），記者約她在母校浸大接受訪問，甫見面即遞上履歷表（CV）：主修人力資源管理，GPA3.68（最高4），四年前在美國做交流生，GPA3.92。做過迪士尼、飛利浦等大公司，自信爆棚。
「我讀HR，偏偏犯咗HR大忌，兩年轉五份工，好多前輩都話犯咗呢行最低級嘅錯誤，但我認為人生毋須特定公式。只要說服到你面試嘅公司，你有能力幫佢哋創造到好嘅業績，Why not？」手袋隨身帶備CV，不放過任何機會。畢業三年，投寄的求職信不下1,000封，面試次數早過100次。

勇於爭取機會

「去美國交流嗰一年，別人趁假期去旅行，我就寄信去大公司要求實習，有跨國公司總裁嚟學校演講，一下台我就衝上前遞上CV，終於爭取到實習機會」。成績超班、自信進取，擁有中港經驗，小妮子的「跳槽實戰攻略」，是否適用於一般大學生，見仁見智，作為競爭力強勁的內地尖子，在港讀書、求職，甚至置業，她認為自己的出現，是種威脅嗎？
「我係比較幸運嘅一群，居港讀書、工作七年，覺得香港係一個包容多元嘅社會，從來唔覺得被歧視。作為外來人，我睇到香港嘅好，自由社會，否則我都唔可以轉咁多份工，喺內地，某程度要靠關係，呢個係香港優勝之處」。她說。
來自廣州，父親是五金皮革商人，有一個細11年的「超生」妹妹。孤身在港，她說正努力儲首期，準備一批出香港永久居民身份，就向銀行按揭買樓，「會買遠一啲，香港嘅樓唔平，做九成按揭，剩番啲錢供架車代步」。
記者呂麗嬋

http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/news/art/20121031/18053273

cow

ahdee 發表於 12-10-31 00:20
[size=15.454545021057129px] local students might be more adaptable to  team work than their peers from China

I have got the same experiences. My colleagues in China like to compete with each other even in the same team. They prefer individual success to team success.

shadeslayer

Brenday 發表於 12-10-25 18:25
香港英語教育出了甚麽問題？應該改為香港的教育出了甚麽問題？
才對！

不，香港主流學校中英語教育的問題明顯比較大。 PISA 考15歲學生的科學，數學，閱讀理解，香港學生的成績非常好。雖然讀得辛苦，香港學生的學科能力不差。但有那一個地區或國家的學生由三歲起認真學英文，日日上英文堂，課外和課內的課時是天文數字，但中學畢業後，卻有大量學生未能以英語有效一地和外國人交流？

CHAN-2

shadeslayer 發表於 12-10-31 22:20
"但有那一個地區或國家的學生由三歲起認真學英文，日日上英文堂，課外和課內的課時是天文數字，但中學畢業後，卻有大量學生未能以英語有效一地和外國人交流？"

這是否贏在起跑線，輸在終點？

cherubic

"卻有大量學生未能以英語有效一地和外國人交流？"

This is due to a lack of sufficient opportunity to speak English.  In most schools, the teaching is one-way - listen then memorize without too many chances to give own view.  

shadeslayer

原帖由 CHAN-2 於 12-11-01 發表
這是否贏在起跑線，輸在終點？

Precisely.

shadeslayer

原帖由 cherubic 於 12-11-01 發表
"卻有大量學生未能以英語有效一地和外國人交流？"

This is due to a lack of sufficient opportunity to s ...

Ability to communicate in English includes reading and writing too. Hong Kong arguably has much better environment to learn English than say Taiwan or mainland.   We have a lot more expats and have access to large amount of English materials.

All in all, as I said, spending 13 years or more learning English seriously inside and outside of classroom, and yet the average English level is not reaching a working level.  This is really appalling.