新高中課程 對持分者，有那些裨益 (#1藍色補充)

雙儿

原帖由 judy 於 11-7-28 14:46 發表


你勿理佢地咩喇叭仔、拔褲仔或鮮鱼仔。總之佢地係純過蒸溜水，有書就讀、有活動就搞嘅好学生。

又係典型嘅Judy式風涼話哲學.如果真係咁,鮮魚梁就唔駛話要"當5"底褲啦!

ANChan59

Check your pm.

ANChan59

囝囝爸

轉貼自明報
教育心語 — 龐永欣

「非聯招」的具體數字
(2010年7月1日星期四)

我曾在本欄談過本地大學利用「非聯招」辦法收生所引起不公平問題：部份花得起錢的家長，把子女送到外國唸預科，拿取外國的高考成績（例如 GCE），再透過「非聯招」辦法投考香港的大學。外國的高考比香港的淺易得多，容易得到較佳成績，這些「留學生」因此可佔盡便宜，造成「有錢不用考香港高考，無錢留港捱高考」的現象。

文章在去年發表後沒有收過大學資助委員會和任何大學的回應，卻收到家長和同學的電郵，說問題嚴重。6月21日南華早報又有一篇「非聯招」的報道，並列舉數字說明，引述如下：

英國高考（GCE A-Level）每年考獲A級考生為26.7%，香港高考僅為3.6%。香港的大學每年收生約14500名入讀政府資助的本科課程，各大學並沒有設定「非聯招」學額比例或上限，「非聯招生」的數目正在不斷上升，由2004年的2924人（佔當年新生總數19.9%，下同）增至2008年的4107人（26.1%）。2008年，本地高考生考獲「大學入學資格」但因「沒有足夠學額」遭拒大學門外者有6000人。

「非聯招生」考進「熱門」學系的比例更厲害。科大的國際商業，2007年透過「非聯招」成功申請入學的比例為20%，2008年為37.2%，2009年更增至39.5%（即43人中有17人為「非聯招生」）；中大醫科2009年收生160人，其中49人（30.6%）來自「非聯招」；同年，港大醫科也是收生160人，其中竟有100人（62.5%）來自「非聯招」。

要到英國唸兩年預科？學費、宿費、生活費約為港幣900000元，你會考慮嗎？

雙儿

ANChan

嗱，你呢頭唔同意我話會分化，囝囝爸馬上show啲數據俾你睇。

今年高考放榜後有另一嘔血事件，女兒認識的一恆商學生考獲5A，本是高興事，拎住恆商嘅獎學金想去英國讀書(原來恆商真係富得漏油)，但UCAS只有一間二綫大學收。你話將來DSE唔係second class qualification?

judy

又係典型嘅Judy式風涼話哲學.如果真係咁,鮮魚梁就唔駛話要"當5"底褲啦!

先拋吓書包先：

子禽問於子貢曰：“夫子至於是邦也，必聞其政，求之與？抑與之與？”子貢曰：“夫子溫、良、恭、儉、讓以得之。夫子之求之也，其諸異乎人之求之與？”


又繼續我嘅风凉話，之前講讀書嘅嘢，依家講講服務和課外活動嘅嘢：

阿大幾年前開始去做服務，最高峰時一年近二百小時。有一段時期，每個星期一次，到一盲人中心，為盲人折信，讀報紙。也有一段時期，帮人補習，拖看疲勞的身軀回家，草草吃下半碗飯，又繼績讀書。

阿大係為將來升学圖謀嗎？一定唔係。佢為响應應環保，30幾度都唔開冷氣，不再吃牛肉。有幾次一早到自修室而折返，話唔想得一個人而要開成間房嘅冷氣。

不錯，我的孩子，包括子侄都好自覺。以此看世情有點风凉。但對於那些本己有着數，還要發掘窮人之作用: 透過服務而得到着數 ，那才凉得齒冷。

今次话题, 我一D都唔识, 无意见. 但甚喜你的down to earth风格, 如你的孩子似你几成, EQ会好高, 恭喜!

我估我知你想講咩。

係呢度，講嬴又好，输又好，又何必在意呢，不在意，又何來EQ高低呢？如果發皮氣，到處訴苦，我本來點點點，依家點點點，太難睇了。

又，我有洁癖。

ANChan59

SCMP's data may not correct due to definition of non-JUPAS:

Non-JUPAS included Early Admission Scheme, Higher Diploma, Associate Degree, GCE AL, IBDP, SAT/AP .......

HKU medicine 62.5% non-JUPAS included EAS. (1/3 EAS, 1/3 JUPAS, 1/3 non-JUPAS). Both medical schools keep non-JUPAS at 1/3 quota all the time, even the standard better than JUPAS. Look at CUHK data, it's more clearly displayed.

08/09 undergraduates number should be 15,715 and the % of entry 18.5% of age 17-20 population. 10/11 is 15,960, 19.2%.

2008, EAS 423 (2.7%), HD.... AD.... GCE AL.... IB.....

ANChan59

原帖由 雙儿 於 11-7-29 14:56 發表
ANChan

嗱，你呢頭唔同意我話會分化，囝囝爸馬上show啲數據俾你睇。

今年高考放榜後有另一嘔血事件，女兒認識的一恆商學生考獲5A，本是高興事，拎住恆商嘅獎學金想去英國讀書(原來恆商真係富得漏油)，但UCAS只有一間二綫大學收 ...

Don't 100% trust the article, I spent some pages in NSS vs IB to explain the wrong concept from SCMP and the author(s).

They mixed up non-JUPAS with GCE AL and IB.... only. How about HD, AD also through Direct Admission Scheme? EAS for those elite students also classfy as non-JUPAS.

Some data quoted in the article are misrepresented. See another post.

ANChan59

How's her HKCEE results? What's her conditional offers from UCAS?

IB has predicted scores for university application, but no such arrangement in HKDSE. Now we don't have HKCEE, may be more students taking IGCSE to apply UCAS.

雙儿

My point is that although the students getting into local universities via GCE/IB/SAT are small in number, they did get in with easier grades (as technically you simply cannot ask for more than AAA for GCE A level or 555 for AP, but they are still a piece of cake for able students). There are quite a number of such cases around me. The kids all confessed that they would not have expected to get in the current majors or at all if they had taken HKAL.

After talking to my daughter, I suspect the 5A student "died" from being too arrogant in the personal statement part.

[ 本帖最後由 雙儿 於 11-7-29 17:50 編輯 ]

雙儿

原帖由 judy 於 11-7-29 15:54 發表


先拋吓書包先：

子禽問於子貢曰：“夫子至於是邦也，必聞其政，求之與？抑與之與？”子貢曰：“夫子溫、良、恭、儉、讓以得之。夫子之求之也，其諸異乎人之求之與？”

  

唔識解，唔理。我估你唔知我唔知你唔知我唔知道你想講乜嘢。只知雙兒絕不羨「溫良恭儉讓」，由Judy道來，亦有點怪。

I also feel that we are actually taught by the next generation all the time on moral and environment matters, like what I quoted before: 人才不是培養出来的，是不被破壞出來的。

講講風涼話本不錯，只是太多人憎人富貴嫌人窮而已。

[ 本帖最後由 雙儿 於 11-7-29 18:55 編輯 ]

ANChan59

Your point well noted.

I heard so many students with good grades rejected by universities. Most of them made fundamental mistakes in the application process and/or interviews.

mattsmum

今曰先醒?我那個年代港大已係有收GCE A level了。

eviepa

人才不是培養出来的，是不被破壞出來的。

雙兒：

呢句幾我理念。看過太多被父母打罵、要求過高而自暴自棄的個案。

雙儿

原帖由 Annie123 於 11-7-29 21:08 發表


This is so disappointing!

I know that 恆商 has got really good results (ie lots of A's). But I am curious what universities/programs do their students get into too. If students have not got the rig ...

Most of them read business or social science subjects in universities. However, since they are not offered pure maths, they cannot read quantiative fianance or risk managment science.

Referring to one of your previous posts, raising the threshold of professional programs to graduate level is the trend. My daughter just told me you now need a master degree to take on the AICPA exam in California. OMG, what a ridiculous world it is. We need someone with a maste degree to know which side of the paper, the left or the right, to put down a number.

ChiChiPaPa

恆商只讀AS-level的Math&Stat。

ANChan59

原帖由 雙儿 於 11-7-30 09:12 發表
Most of them read business or social science subjects in universities. However, since they are not offered pure maths, they cannot read quantiative fianance or risk managment science.

For LSE, CUHK, HKUST, for economics and quantitative finance need modelling & forecast, econometrics ...... IB they need Maths HL-7, AL Pure maths A ...... are min requirment. It makes sense.