SC畢業生家長一起走過癲婆的日子

LaLa

danielboy,
Mr. T 無事丫麻?  心痛死了!  究竟邊度整親唧?  Pat pat?  另外, re. Taiwan, 我 lee 兩日都 ok 得閒, 如你有時間 (唔知你使唔使全天候照顧 Mr. T) 可隨時call 我.

teresa123

danielboy,

廚房真係比較危險, 好彩Mr. T無大礙...  可能要換一換擺snack既位置啦...

多謝你既資料, 我會係hub area等...

其實我都擔心換校長會連老師都換埋...不過又好似無得擔心咁多, 俾得小朋友讀IS都係想佢見識多d, 培養正確既學習態度...希望佢地將來得著多d...

HeiHeiMa

danielboy:
聽妳講都戥妳心痛! 淥親真係可大可小, 我朋友細個試過, 叫做好彩o係大脾, 著裙著褲都遮到撻印! 希望Mr. T早日康復!
佢淥到果度會唔會係腋下? 我估佢舉高手拎, 可能會淥到果度o瓜!

chingyu

danielboy,
好心痛呀．．．我都估腋下，會唔會有印？
我好古老，第一時間想用TAP WATER lower the temperature再放tooth paste 在上面．　
其實點handle呢? (in case we don't have special ointment on hand.)
前晚A小姐玩釘書機都搞到成手血，嚇死我．
Mr. C 都講了我知會去Germany，仲話同A小姐S先生出來食飯．
如果我未結婚未生仔，都想去其他國家生活和工作一般時間，人生苦短．

0203Ma

Danielboy,
Dan Dan 都好 MAN O下喎, 想當日Kristy 淥親隻手, 喊左三個鐘!

Chingyu,
執好野未呀?  祝你入伙大吉, 家宅安康!
D 小朋友有時諗住佢地都大個架啦, 但都唔識危險O既? 我記得我兒甥仔(now 3x 歲)小時右手做功課, 左手就玩指甲箝, 佢話D聲好好聽, 結果咪自己剪倒自己隻耳仔, 流晒血, 低B到佢呢!

0203Ma

icbb1230

對不起, jump into你們的主題, 但知道呢度好多SC畢業生的家長, 所以真的希望從你們這裡得到多一些關於SC資料, 因外面好多資料都是”聽說”, 可信程度不太高, 希望在這兒揾到真實的答案。


現在我的女兒讀緊HKPS英普, 可直升到K1, 但SC收了AM英粵班, 現在不知怎樣選擇, 心是偏向SC, 但仍有少少struggling於以下問題, 請幫忙:


1) 學校的英語環境怎樣? 及教法是否高水平呢? 我擔心的是, 相比HKPS, 能接觸英語時間相對少 (從K2起)......


2) 英粵班都會有普通話堂, 是嗎?


3) 有沒有課外活動給學生選擇? 因HKPS有很多, 不用家長出外自己搵。


4) SC對考小學有沒有什麼支援? 因HKPS在K3開始會有學堂教小朋友面試的技巧, 校長會就每位小朋友的個性、成績及其優點/弱點去寫推薦信及做portfolio (當然家長可自己製作), 等等。


謝謝。

chingyu

0203Ma,
多謝你的祝褔.
由於搬屋 (俾藉口自己,其實我都無做過野), 完全忘記上星期中文背默, 今次真係無眼睇.
另外, a小姐終於得到5張犯規紙 (其中兩張是午飯後談話,一張小息時嬉戲和一張水壺無貼名).  OMG…..是否監獄or拘留所? 當然我仲要走去教訓a小姐兩句.  A小姐話 “mummy, 記得帶6支pencils. 否則又有犯規紙.” 都唔知笑定哭.
你有無去sports day? 個訓導主任用大聲公不停 “remind” 同學和家長.
好在我都仲可以見到班小妹妹自由地大叫大笑, 有番d安慰.
不過, 是否呢班女孩子運動少, 覺得她們大部份跑姿不太協調. 我鄰坐的爸爸都這樣說. 當然啦, 平日跟本無機會跑.  poor ladies.

0203Ma

chingyu,
sports day 話只可以一個家長O麻, 我又唔識渣車, 又唔識影相, 我老公去. (但原來唔點名的) 我老公話D女仔都好活潑, 吱吱喳喳, thanks God! 不致俾人鬧到頭 dup dup.
我沙膽呀! 見家長果日, 我同老師講 Kristy 有樣難能可貴O既特質係心地好好, 但入到黎好似缺乏左 love & care, 郁D都話要俾違規紙, 校車又有秘密警察, 重視罰多過賞.  老師笑笑口話: 係呀, 依方面我地係比較嚴謹的, 哈哈!
佢地 now 好似攪緊紀律比賽, Kristy yesterday 話 : "死啦, 我地班已經有5 張違規紙啦, 實輸啦!" 睇黎, 未必喎! A 小姐做左票后!  
你會心思思又轉回舊校嗎?
0203Ma

[ 本帖最後由 0203Ma 於 09-3-7 19:41 編輯 ]

LaLa

Hi icbb1230,
我嘗試答你的問題, 但其他家長肯定有他們個人的意見.  其實, 就算在同一間學校, 不同小朋友在不同班別也會有不同的學習經歷和體驗, 很視乎你小朋友的性格, 你遇到的老師和其他不同的因素.

1) 由 K2 起, English teacher 不會 station 在班房, 每天有一節 20分鐘 Eng lesson, 和兩節 "grouping" (即活動堂).  相比 HKPS, 接觸 Eng 的時間無疑比較少.

2) 英粵都有普通話, 好像是一星期兩節.

3) Almost no ECA in SC.  Just drama/science workshop organised by outside agents on Sat which is completely voluntary and have limited seats only -- by lucky draw!

4) K3 開學聽聞老師有同小朋友練習一些 interview 技巧, 但我不太清楚教了些什麼, 只記得我問老師我女兒有無問題, 佢話無, 我就放心!  校長信當然有啦!

chingyu

0203Ma,
A小姐是輕度活躍. 她班尚有兩三個高一籌, 故她不是票后.
每間學校一定有利有幣,
IS我最主要擔心中學/大學學費問題,
很難預計當時學費升伏和收入.
兼且傳統教學亦有其優點.
不過, 我覺得太多restriction,有時會適得其反.
小朋友要空間思考和創作.
往往太多限制, 另人乏味.
數學功課的格行,簡線要求,
差點令我忘了這是數學功課.

LaLa and Sumyinmama,
How’s DGS?  Also many restrictions?
I think SM waste too much time on setting up and implemenation of regulations.
How’s the teachers in DGS?  Friendly or not?
The teachers in SM are very nice.  However, I guess they are also being restrained.

danielboy,
I heard Peter Kenny will be leaving RC soon.
It's a pity indeed.
Hopefully there will be another brilliant guy to replace his position.

chingyu

Quoted from Mr. Peter Kenny, I can't agree more.

Educating to failure?
Thursday 26th February 2009, 10:47  email

Standardized tests, benchmarks, high stakes testing and the external
pressures placed on both student and teacher by Governments (eager to
quote a ‘value added’ for political gain), Organizations, media and some
curriculums corrupt the minds of our  youth and eliminate the art of
critical analysis, creativity in thought and entrepreneurial endeavor.

In the majority of these tests a mistake is seen as the worse possible
thing a student can make. Our children live in a world where creativity is
a precious commodity and courage is required to venture forth. The learner
profiles of risk-taking and reflection equip our students with qualities
that allow them to predict, attempt, hypothesize and experiment. In short,
to inquire.

It is through inquiry that our children will both understand concepts and
value essential knowledge, but most importantly have the mind and courage
to explore new knowledge,  new perspectives, alternative solutions and
think critically.

“If you have made mistakes, there is always another chance for you. You
may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing we call
"failure" is not the falling down, but the staying down.” Mary Pickford
(Canadian Movie Star)

‘Training to failure’ is a common term used often when referring to weight
training. The controversial method of training basically promotes athletes
to increase repetitions of lifting weights until the muscles fail and the
athlete cannot lift again until rested. This, it is thought, promotes
muscle growth and increases stamina and strength.

In much the same way we need students to extend their creativity and ideas
by experimenting and risking mistakes. Extend and challenge their own
minds and potential until they fail. A series of small mistakes often
leads to greater success and enduring understanding. It is the ‘process’
that promotes learning. The ‘doing’ that leads to understanding and the
reflection that creates other possibilities.

Formative assessment (assessing the process of learning) informs students
and teachers about how we best learn and teach. It eliminates
misconceptions before they become habits and promotes discovery. This is
precisely why the PYP and MYP of the International Baccalaureate (IB) are
challenging for traditional or conservative schools and systems to introduce.

They demand ongoing assessment (formative and summative), varied assessments (performance and passive, not always one dimensional paper tests) and mandate and evaluate standards in teaching. The IB evaluates teaching and learning, the school and its community as these are the prime drivers in quality, rigorous and relevant education.

It demands greater professionalism, more parental participation and a
student focus in all we do. When your child (or yourself) is required to sit a standardized test ask the following questions. Firstly, why are they sitting to be tested and is my child being assessed only through a piece of paper or computer?
Secondly, is this test going to positively impact on my child’s learning
and confidence?
Thirdly, how, why and who composed this test?

As an IB student focused College we need to ask ...will this test improve
the learning of these students?

Benchmarks and developmental milestones are helpful in identifying gaps in
learning and identifying both needs and gifts. They can inform students,
teachers and parents to better support future learning.

Excellent teachers know their students and listen to parents who are the
primary educators of all children. Standardized tests do not measure
attitude, courage, health, enthusiasm and creativity. If used well, they
at best give a marker against accepted norms in terms of a child's
development in literacy and numeracy.

The data gathered should be diagnostic (able to inform future teaching and
learning) and be one aspect of a wide collection of evidence that supports
learning, encourages risk-taking and questioning, and builds confidence as
this is the key driver in motivating all humans to extend themselves.

teresa123

chingyu and 0203ma,

睇完你地既描述, 真係有d心up...以前都好似無咁嚴架...好彩你地話d小妹妹仲識得笑同玩...傳統學校真係好容易扼殺小朋友既天真同埋創意...好難取得平衡, 可能唯有係屋企既日常生活著手...

chingyu

Hi Sumyinmama,

How are you lately?  Very busy?

Will you consider  "fat chicken meal"?


chingyu

LaLa

chingyu,
Hi, DGS so far so good la.  Ms V doesn't seem to have problem adjusting to P.1 life even at the beginning of the school year.  She LOVES her school very much.  And I have never heard from her that the teachers are strict.  Although some classmates say the Eng teacher is fierce, Ms V doesn't share the same feeling.  My impression is that the girls are quite alright in terms of discipline.  Only heard that some having chats between lessons would have "detention" after school, but 5 minutes only.  Not sure if sumyinma has got the same feeling from Ms S.

As for Mr Kenny's view, I can't agree more.  Although I have been learning from you and danielboy from time to time that RC has many good teachers, I just didn't imagine that they are as outstanding and inspiring as Mr Kenny.  I am particularly thrilled to find someone who shares the same "bizarre" view as mine (which is perceived by all my friends as extremely atypical indeed) that "IS demands greater professionalism, more parental participation..."  It's always a myth to hear people saying that they send their kids to IS just because they don't want to be as heavily involved in their kids' learning as in traditional schools.  I don't see the light and consider that traditional schools at least have a path to follow.  So, being a lazy mom, I have no alternative but to send my kids to local school...  Do you have any flash of mind to go back to RC?

chingyu

LaLa,
In my point of view, it’s better not to send the children to IS if the parents are reluctant to guide the learning of kids.  On the contrary, it will be safer to let them go on traditional way.  The students at least are bound to learn a list of subjects and get the basic knowledge.  

Whereas parents are willing to assist the kids in learning, the teaching approach in IS will lead kids to learn more effectively and attain a wide knowledge spontaneously.

Remember our old days, we have wasted too much time in homework, dictation and examination.  It made us lose the interest in books and learning.  If we spend the time in exploring instead of cramming knowledge, I believe it will be much more efficient and the learning won’t be limited to the syllabus.

For the benefit of next generation, personally I think IB is better than HKALE because the assessment is much all rounded.

Every coin has two faces.  There are also some drawbacks in IS.  If having a mediocre educator to be your class teacher, it will ruin your kid’s learning for at least a year.  The slack regulation is also another concern.  I felt uneasy to see some of students wandering in the campus during school hours.

RC runs very well under the management of Peter Kenny.  If I win Mark Six and a brilliant principal is still in RC, I would send her back in Primary 3 (Year 4) ‘coz she should have established good foundation of Chinese and discipline.  Most likely this dream is hardly to come true.  Ms. A asked me whether she might go back RC, I firmly replied negative.  No dreams, No hope.  Poor.  

Fortunately she is going to school happily every day.  I will observe and keep my fingers crossed that the school won’t push her to a corner.  Changing school is absolutely a last resort I don’t want to see.

LaLa

chingyu,
You speak my mind - not to send children to IS if parents are reluctant to guide the learning of their kids.  I just don't have the time, resources and patience to guide my 2 kids in their exploration of the world and pursuit of knowledge.  (That's why DanDan can have the privilege of going to IS!   )  But of course if little naughty Jeremy is not accepted by traditional schools, I have no way out but to resort to IS.

Take it easy for SM's style.  You will certainly adapt to it soon.  My sis also complained about this and that during the first few months when her daughter joined the school some years ago.  But now, she's got used to it already and my niece also enjoys school a lot.

原帖由 chingyu 於 09-3-10 21:06 發表
LaLa,
In my point of view, it’s better not to send the children to IS if the parents are reluctant to guide the learning of kids.  On the contrary, it will be safer to let them go on traditional way. ...

danielboy

都係LaLa了解Mr. T, 無錯, 係pat pat, 刁鑽呢?除咗醫生護士,仲大把人問佢點解,最好笑咁啱上星期佢係Star of the Week, 做完presentation到Q&A時間,有人舉手問佢How did you burn your butt?佢好detailed咁描述個過程 同學仔寫信俾佢都問呢個問題,連我去接放學都俾小朋友問,唉!真係Star of the Week喇!

teresa,
放心!RC好多老師係Phoenix嘅老師,做咗10年8年,耐過Peter Kenny好多,不過Peter Kenny真係個好brilliant嘅leader,好唔捨得佢,IS校長平均都係兩年幾貨仔,Peter Kenny喺RC三年喇,正常不過,何況佢咁正,new boss仲係UAE財團,大把$,ESF又點夠油王多$?

chingyu & LaLa,
讀IS梗係要parental involvement啦,所以你睇我幾慘,喺屋企做義工又著爛絲襪,不過d home learning activities係做得好愉快,自己都學到好多嘢,Mr. T嘅學習興趣濃厚,學習態度正確,而且最好係可以慢慢做,唔需要同人比較,鍾意就做多d,無時間或想鬆番幾日又得,無咁大壓力,啱我呢d懶人,同傳統學校嘅溫書,操練,趕課程乜都趕趕趕完全不同,所以可以話IS條路係揾啱咗俾Mr. T同我,對於我呢個24 hours on call嘅奴隸嚟講, IS最唔好就係貴.

chingyu,
我every Thursday都去做guided reading,有幾個小朋友的確好slack,全部都係亞媽好忙無人理一族, 真係好想同佢講,呢度學費唔平架,你都唔想留班架!(舊年Y5 & Y6真係有幾個小朋友留班).

chingyu

我都很同意劉校長見解!!!

子女要把自己最愛吃的雞肶讓大家一起分享(agree!)

培育他們堅毅的性格，要令他們對周圍的 人、對父母盡責，要子女不敢去死，即使如何辛苦都要活下去(totally agree!!)

我呼籲各位家長趁年輕生多一兩個小孩(全塲大笑)，最好生夠三個 (Agree the concept but we really can't afford in terms of $, time and energy.)


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> 思一定要具前瞻性，才能帶領學校不斷開創新局面，領先同業。最近，我出席了協恩
> 中學家教會，聆聽了中學校長劉李國建女士對當前教育工作的反思的報告，覺得非常
> 生動、精警。對BK網上所有望子(女)成龍(鳯)的家長們，不諦為一劑良方聖藥，故把
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> 以下是劉太講話的主要內容：
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> 過去幾年政府推行全人教育，投放很多資源在教育上，按理應比過往的成績更好，年
> 青人應更堅強，更全面，更有能力面對各種挑戰。但事實卻相反，這一年來不時從報
> 章雜誌上見到很多政府高級政務官、紀律部隊人員、醫生等有成就的明日之星自殺的
> 報道令人很痛心。還有很多個案同樣也令人困擾：年青 人自閉、抑鬱的個案多了很
> 多，很多畢業生不能適應社會，一遇到挫折就完全崩潰。我們的社會、教育究竟出現
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> 我一直認為，教育是為學生將來的生計做預備。但以上個案卻未有好好地做好這件
> 事，一些在學校非常優秀的同學，一出來社會或在生活實踐中竟然敗得一塌糊塗﹗
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> 我的反思是，第一要加強教育學生的競爭性，要在課程上加入很多備戰的元
> 素，如：開設I.T.課程，強化中文，普通話及各語言能力訓練。但單有技能是不夠
> 的，所以，第二點，要培養學生的責任心，培育他們堅毅的性格，要令他們對周圍的
> 人、對父母盡責，要子女不敢去死，即使如何辛苦都要活下去﹗聖經上告訴我們，看
> 一個人不是看他有多大的成就，而是要看他的心是怎樣。具體做法是要讓學生自己備
> 課，主動閱讀，準時交 功課。態度很重要，針對年青人甚至壯年人遇到困難便崩
> 潰，心態源於怕面對困難及挫折，通常最易崩潰的不是讀書差的那一群，因為他們習
> 慣面對失敗、折挫，反而處理得很好，而是讀書很叻，從未被家長責罵過，一直順風
> 順水的當他們到了20-30歲才面對風浪就容易崩潰。應如何做？要自小做起，自己的
> 事自己要面對，而家長要配合。但很多家長是幫子女去收拾玩具，收拾書包，收拾床
> 舖，收拾書枱，甚至幫子女做功課。他們不知道，應教導子女從小自己就要做。有些
> 家長常掛在嘴邊一句話：我不會給壓力子女，我不需要子女養我。這些家長很蠢很
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> 父母的應自小教育子女需要分享、承擔，例如教子女要把自己最愛吃的雞肶讓大家一
> 起分享，不是全部讓小孩吃，將來出來做事，不管你賺多少錢，都要養父母，這是責
> 任。
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> 第三，有家長常對子女講：阿女你讀書很辛苦，老師給咁多功課你做想要命咩﹗其實
> 生活在香港，每天有工作，很忙碌才是好事，君不見在“沙士”時期，百業蕭條，很多
> 人無事做，那才可怕呢﹗現在可以有事做，可以學習應該很感恩才是呢﹗
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> 第四，身教。小朋友自小很聰明，時刻會留意家長的言行，生活細節，大人應以身作
> 則，父親是子女的榜 樣，母親是子女的偶像，要重視親子，多些與孩子相處。最
> 後，我呼籲各位家長趁年輕生多一兩個小孩(全塲大笑)，最好生夠三個。理由是1.
> 有伴, 2. 子妹間的關係不是朋友可以替代的，如果有三個小孩，更能培養其人際關
> 係，子妹多，就會常常上演戰國時的“合緃” “連橫”，有時相互排擠，有時又互相聯
> 合，在生活中學懂與人相處，你會發現在小孩子多的家庭，他們在社會上特別懂得與
> 人相處，不會過份自私、會表達，有責任心等，更重要是父母不可能照顧小孩一
> 生，一但父母去世，如果有兄弟子妹相互扶持，就不會覺孤獨，淒涼。有廣告話，要
> 四百萬才能養育一名小孩，這是假的、是廢話﹗因為給小孩最重要最好的東西是不需
> 要錢的，比如愛、家庭温馨、理解，父母對子女合理的期望、支持等等。所以要保重
> 身體，孝順父母﹗
>
> -完-

chingyu

你們去晒邊?
是否很busy呢?
我對住a小姐有時都激到生蝦咁跳.
事關佢專住力勁弱.
其實佢學o野很快, 但是專住力弱, 點搞.
danielboy, 唔該post多次邊到有得排期睇醫生.
除了a小姐要睇, 我都有需要.

0203Ma,
smcs website 旅行相有芊芊.
快d 睇啦.

LaLa

chingyu,

yes, very busy ... planning the taiwan trip early next month.  haha...

點解E+個個小朋友都有咁多"問題"?  定係其實佢地正常過唔正常, 只係D媽咪 IQ 低 & EQ 低 (I'm of course a vivid example!), handle 唔到D小朋友就話佢地有問題?!

A小姐"學o野很快, 但是專注力弱"即係聰明 lor!  蠢人先需要專心D學嘢 ma.  Poor me, 學o野慢又專注力弱兼脾氣臭, ai... 我都想睇吓醫生, 問吓佢係咪我嘅問題先係徵結所在!