直資學校與私立學校之討論(前為: 李國章歡迎保良局全面轉直資 -----立人問，立人說)

cutiema

tinatam:
我認同你的講法.自從李國章做局長管教育後,他將教育變為生財產業.將大 中 小學變為學店(07/08年度大學很多科再無支助收全費)以進修為名去供養大學.而中 小學就諸多留難,對老師用基準試,對辦學團体就用學管,用家長對負他們.用不用就話殺校,迫使學校改為直資換取更大自主.政府又可省回不少,然而當學者要求用小班教育,他又話小班那有不好那有不惦.最終就是不想用錢.其實九年免費教育已經名存實亡了.就好像特首話好久無提就等如沒有呀啦!真慘呀!都唔知咩世界!交那麼多稅只給他們享用,養名種錦鯉 .最後其實最好的方法是錢跟學生走.無論家長選擇 那種學校 私立 直資或津校.如學費不夠就由家長保貼,這才是公平,你是否同意嗎?(可能有錯別字,請原諒)
tinatam 寫道:
I agree.  Most of the gov't schoo to be closed. Poor teachers will be find a new jobs...& student can not benefit 9 yrs free-edu.. no more baby to be borned .... not more youth people in hk in the future. HK becomes older people city.  I cannot belive what is our future!!![/quote]

cutiema

chu_muimui:
我認同你說法,由其那句"有誰保證高質素教學=高質素人事管理和關係"老師也是人,他們也會在教員室裡講三講四,尢其說學生壞話.回歸後擦鞋文化日盛,好老師只會比擦鞋仔督背脊,最後走的可能是一班專心教學生而不董擦鞋的好老師,真慘呀!

tinatam

fAMOUS PRIVATE SCHOOL IS THE BEST CHOICE BECAUSE HEADMASTER CAN PROVIDE SPECIAL PROGRAMME OR HIGHER-LEVEL LEARNING TO THEIR STUDENT AND THEIR POLICY IS NOT UNDER HK GOV'T. SO THEY MAY CREATE AND PROVIDE MORE TOOLS FOR STUDENTS.    THE SCHOOL FEE IS ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE THEY REALY PROVIDE A GOOD RESULT/ GOOD TRAINING AT SCHOOL.
I THINK ALL PARENTS WANTS THEIR KIDS TO HAVE HIGHLY STANDARD AND CAN GO TO UNVERSITY IN THE FUTURE.    SO THE MAIN POINT IS GOV'T MUST PROVIDE AND BUILD TWO OR THREE MORE UNVERSITIES TO GUARANTEE ALL KIDS CAN HAVE U-GRAD STANDARD IN THE COMING YEARS.

REF TO THE EDUCATION IN SINGAPORE, EACH BABY CAN HAVE A GOOD EDUCATION UNTIL THEY ALL GRADUATED IN UNIVERSITY.   AND GOV'T WILL PROVIDE THEM A JOB UNTIL THEY RETIRED.  I THINK HK RESIDENTS ALL AGREE TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON EDUCATIONS BECAUSE  YOUTH MEN ARE HEADS OF HK IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE RETIRED.     GOV'T CAN UP-GRADE TEACHERS AND CHANGE EXTRA- SCHOOL TO BE UNVERSITIES / COLLEDGES.    LET ALL HK PEOPLE CAN EASY TO FIND A PLACE FOR FURTHER STUDIES.
CUT-EDUCATIONAL COST IS VERY STUPID.  YOU WILL SEE HALF OF STUDENTS ARE UNDER F3 WHO MUST WORK IN HK OR GET GOV'T ALLOWANCE FOR OVER 60 YEARS.  HOW ABOVE OLD PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANT THESE ALLOWANCE BUT THEY CAN'T GET IT.  A LOT OF UNDER 18YRS YOUNTH CANNOT CONTINUE THEIR STUDYING DUE TO NO MONEY TO PAY SCHOOL FEE.   
SO DDS, PRIVATE , GOV'T SCHOOL .....IS NOT IMPORTANT.   THE MAIN SOLUTION IS GOV'T MUST PROVIDE FREE EDUCATION FROM K1 - UNIVERSITY FOR OUR BABY.     THEN MEANS ALL KIDS CAN ENJOY THEIR SCHOOL LIFE TILL AGE 20-21.   CREATIVE PROJECTS CAN HELP YOUTHS MORE EXPERIENCE THEN TALK ON THE BOOKS.    AFTER 20 YEARS, YOU MAY SEE OUR KIDS ALL ARE PROFESSIONAL AND HAVE HIGH EDUCATIONS.   NO MORE  YOUTHS'S PROMBLEM AND YOUTH POOR FAMILIES.     POOR BECOMES RICH DUE TO GOOD EDUCATIONS WHICH CAN CHANGE A LIFE OF BABY.
IF I AM THE FINANCIAL CONTROLLER, I WILL SPEND HALF COST FOR EDUCATIONS, 20% FOR OLD RETIREMENT FUNDS, 10% FOR POOR FAMILIES, 20% FOR OTHERS.   GOOD EDUCATION CAN RUNS OUR CITY TO BE RICH.  OUR LIFE'S FUTURE IS CONTROLLED BY OUR GOV'T-EDUCATION.   

tinatam

FREE EDUCATION  IS BETTER THAN 334.  NO GUARANTEE TO UNVERSITY BECAUSE OF LIMITED SEATS.   I SUGGUSTED GOV'T BUILD MORE UNVERSITIES / POST-U IN HK.   USA/SINGAPORE GOV'T THEY ALLOW FREE EDU & MEDICAL FOR MANY YRS AGO.  HK STILL GO BACK@_@

Vrindavan

Vote against proposed sales tax on education spending

http://www.taxreform.gov.hk/chi/document.htm
http://www.taxreform.gov.hk/chi/contact.htm

To penalize high income group,
they should use higher income tax rate,

instead of "distort the price" of products and services in the free market economy

judy

Vrindavan 寫道:
Vote against proposed sales tax on education spending

http://www.taxreform.gov.hk/chi/document.htm
http://www.taxreform.gov.hk/chi/contact.htm

To penalize high income group,
they should use higher income tax rate,

instead of "distort the price" of products and services in the free market economy

曾特首話反對之前，要我地提出其他改善現時稅基狹窄之建議，你似乎響應了號召，提出"To penalize high income group,they should use higher income tax rate,"，我想問，能够送仔女入international school的，還不是high income group麽？

曾特首都低低地嘅！他要納稅，點解唔係佢要同我哋解釋加稅之原因，反而要我們向他提議。以教育為例，他必須向我們解釋:

1. 香港之人均教育開支(政府)之高，舉世聞名，但學生之成就呢？是否應先檢討教育開支是否物有所值呢？

2. 這麽多年來，學生少了，全港工資降了，但為何我們的中小學開支越來越多呢？

3. 綜援家庭，每月都可向政府領綜援卷(金)而不用到政府開辦之飯堂吃三餐或到政府開辦之合作社配給必須品，咁做的好處是綜援家庭可因應其不同之計劃使費，又省却了政府之行政開支。為甚麼我們却沒有學卷呢?

如果曾特首能解决此問題，再提新稅項也不遲。不過我堅信，如果特首能解决此問題，他也不用再提新稅項了。

Vrindavan

>> 能够送仔女入international school的，還不是high income group麽？


no, alsolutely not a must
Including my case

e.g.
there are poor people like to ride in taxi  
there are rich people like to take bus

it is just a "value" difference on an issue.

There are far more rich people's kids study at free/public schools.

It is again how you value "private school" over "public school".
Then you make the purchase decision.

judy

Vrindavan,

是的，我也見過不是很富有之人讀international school的，人的價值觀不同，有的人寧花錢在吃喝，花錢在補習，也不愿花多一點讓仔女入讀好的學校。

這麽多年來，改革寸步難行，學生少了，工資降了，但教育成本却越來越多。政府越多錢，官僚機抅越牢固，既得利益者越多。总之，我和你一樣是反對GST的(任何新稅我都反對)。

tinatam

International School!!! No na....I hope my son who can speak good chinese and be good behaviour.   I would better choice one famous english private school and I hope he has good personality.  I think Chinese & Mathsmatics are most important at primary level.   So I would like to find english private school/DDS with higher standard of maths, english, chinese for my son because we are chinese.  If I am Amercian, I must put him to int'l sch, right!       

tinatam

I put my son at international playgroup before, but he can't speak good in chinese..... Now I need to change his tone from english to chinese.  It is so difficult,  my maid always talk with him in english all the day time.  Only night time to speak cantoness is not enought.   So I want him to make some chinese friends in school and improve his speaking.
Whcih DDS / private school have higher standard in maths & chinese???

tinatam

I think DDS/private school can separate rich / poor family. Or may be some parents consider the envoirment / background of his classmates .  DDS / Private schools are good choice, right!

DDS & private local school fee is cheaper than Int'l School, but both of them have higher english & Chinese standard.  So many parents who have good background might choose one of them.       

tinatam

The result is there are three type of students to be produce in the future. Very little parts is very rich and will go oversea for futher study and work, Few is middle rich and have higher standard level in hk, a lot of HK student in gov't school who might use a lot of effort to fright an good result at their exam if they want to be a get good job in the future.
Govt school need more effort to learn and push students for dict,calculate, good writing...to go the band one secondary school.
DDS & Private, if you have money , your son can enjoy 13 years school life in same school.
Why didn't the government change all school to be DDS and allow every students to have high standard education for all HK residents's kids.   Band one to band five , chinese / english school are produced two diff. type students.  Long time ago, my dad frighted a seat and win the scholarship at St. Paul co-ed Colledge.  Now we can go in if you have money $4800 there are not many family can effort.  So we have to choice a good , higher standard kindergarten and train our kids from 0 - 5 yrs old. That why many parents need to put their kids to take exam from age 2. or take an interview class for a year   The important exam is in Kindergarten, not P6, Not F.5, not F.7 now.  Please train you kids from age 0.  HAHAHAHAAH!  It is our real true life, directly affected to your whole life of your kids.                       

Vrindavan

I guess some people are not focus to the subject of my previous post

>>>> proposed sales tax on education spending

food, education, medical
should be exempted from sales tax

http://www.taxreform.gov.hk/chi/document.htm
http://www.taxreform.gov.hk/chi/contact.htm

see 91 e -- 92
http://www.taxreform.gov.hk/chi/pdf/Chapter_05.pdf
http://www.taxreform.gov.hk/eng/pdf/Chapter_05.pdf


please do not discuss int'l school la

judy

[quote]我覺得佢強政厲治上咗腦, 成日以為自己係老細, 市民係佢 D

tinatam

Now, there are only limited DDS/private seats and it is not enough for us.  You heard 2000 application form were sent but only have 60-150 vacant seats .  Oh my god!  What the hell of HK education?
My badly decision is chose one not famous school and  employed a private tuitor to teach at home until he get a seat in University.  I want my son to be a Adm. Head of HK to provide more free education scheme to our youth families.  Otherwise, I will choice another place to born a baby such as canada or usa to enjoy whole life benefit scheme at other country.
                          

tinatam

We pay a lot of tax in our whole life, I think we are the boss of him.  No us, no him!!!!
Fright for our education scheme is not benefit for us, just for our kid's future!  I dont care what am I now and what was I yesterday and what will I be in the future. Past is passed. Future is depand on now !  What's our hope ?  Let think above it! No command ....             

tinatam

PKL have a lot of funds and one of the biggest expenses for gov't due to they have a lot of free -edu for poor family.  At the beginning, PKL associate is helping people, now it chnaged into DDS.  The best thing is they can control the standard of high/mid/low students and can collect some the smart kids in their school.  For me is ok, fine, more chance in good edu school.  But the result is just like I wrote before.  Poor students / families will be affected.  You may see PKL Tan/Choi School got a lot of high english standard students.   The reason is why we need to pay high fee to get into a high english standard school.  Not provided by our tax/gov't.  Why do we pay tax for gov't? I am willing to pay tax to PKL because their edu.sys are very good.  May be changed HK Gov't into PKL ........just made a joke for fun!!! No more command!
                

tinatam

I love PKL edu, but I love more free good edu gov't so I hope gov't can take this reposibility for us.  May be he think we must take this $4 Million edu fee for our one kid.  That why no more babies/youth in HK .
Lucky both mum & dad get a high income jobs and they send their son in DDS , I have $4 million.  But they have no time to teach their kids .  Kids love to study with her mother or father more than at DDS. Do you agree?  If we have more time or no  need to work,  we can pay more attention on our kids.  Fee edu can allow us no more pressure.    I wish I am be one of the poor family , it must be very happy life with their kids.  No DDS,  no pressure but HAPPY & ENJOYED THE LIFE with free edu.   I think Mr Lee is willing to change all sch to be DDS, means some high level families need to pay school fee, some lower cannot.    This is the best choice,  we will quit the job first to get the allowance.  Good idea!!!
Welcome!!!!!! No more pressure! No need to pay tax and sch fee!!!
Please change more such as famous catholic school to be DDS, let we can have more choice.