不公平遊戲

Charlotte_mom

麟媽媽
得罪講句: 細個屋企環境唔好, 只可以安排我地讀最近既街坊學校, 唔係我地唔想考
另外, 每個applicant都有"父母舊生分", 去唔去用又係另一件事
但係, 教徒apply宗教背景既學校會有5分, 而非教徒, 無論apply咩學校都唔會多5分, 呢個就係分別

麟媽媽 寫道:
但點解無咁多人嘈舊生分呢？
因為父母番唔到轉頭？
點解當年自己考唔到入名校？咁咪無得怨囉。

cher_mummy

誰夠膽講話佢自己係一個"義人"呀?  

冇做過任何錯事, 冇貪心, 冇xxxxx....的人呀

呀! 有,  咪死左果d人law, 佢地都無欲無求.....


Definitely, the system may have problem.
However, the main problem is the parents are trying to rationalize their "cheating" acts of taking their children to baptise, to use friends' or relatives' addresses or to rent an "empty" flat in order to take advantage from this system. Lawfully, they are not wrong but they are setting bad models for their children morally.   [/quote]

lydia

It is absolutely right to conduct good sample in front of the children. However, if talking about the rule of the game, I will have reservation.

Basically the rules of the game is not fair - how this rule discriminated those without religious (<5 points than others). Even we are stubborn to follow the said rules, it's still an unfair game. Why the religious school has discrimination to choose the religious child? In front of their God, everyone is the same. The job of school teacher is teaching kids, why labelled them between religious and non-religious??

The system is unfair at the beginning. Of course someone would like to choose the fast route while another choose the normal one.

For me, I choose the normal one as my daughter has only 15 pts and our dream school is a catholic school. I take it easy to the fate. I didn't choose the fast route but will have no objection to others.

Chole

Agreed.  At their age of 5 or 6, the kids may not fully understand but at least they notice what the parents are doing. What kind of model are we setting for them?  Do you really want our kids to rationalise their lawful but unethical behaviour in future?

Chole

carrierogerian 寫道:

Definitely, the system may have problem.
However, the main problem is the parents are trying to rationalize their "cheating" acts of taking their children to baptise, to use friends' or relatives' addresses or to rent an "empty" flat in order to take advantage from this system. Lawfully, they are not wrong but they are setting bad models for their children morally.   

loyenyuet

I know somebody get his kid baptised in both Catholic and Christian churches to make use of the advantage.  I don't want to argue the moral standard of such act. It is the sytem make parents to choose the best tactic.  

I just want to ask why the authority approve such "scheme" that is so controversial instead of just taking one simple approach without any condition - just one lottery.  If parents don't want their kid allocated with unfavourable school, then go for private school.
    

cher_mummy

據我所知, 唔係間間天主教學校都接受外國d領洗paper "wor"!  Especially, 菲律賓

bk2005

Charlotte_mom 寫道:
我為你鼓掌   
我只係一個平凡家長, 原諒我心中有"恨", 無法做到你咁豁達
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pswci 寫道:
各位家長，唔知去平等機會委員會投訴，有冇用呢。我覺得以基督博愛精神，應該給與非教徒加分。等非教徒小朋友有機會進入教會學校，接觸耶穌基督，教導他們博愛，仁愛等理念，造福社會。我身邊有朋友為了入小學，舉家飛往菲國受洗，今天成功進入油天，晚上還舉行慶功。可憐我只有15分，被拒於門外，因我沒有同流合污。我沒有不開心，我深信小學只是人生一個階段，我的小朋友一定會堂堂正正，出人頭地。我給與他絕對的宗教自由，希望他能獨立思考，為自己人生作出決定。為了讀書而強迫信教，不是我所為。

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Charlotte_mom,

I read  a numbers of response from you on BK and believe  that you are an open-minded parent. I am disappointed for your above response.

麟媽媽

點樣既派位制度都有問題，
除去宗教分只會剩下世襲制，
全部大攪珠到時名校一定轉制，
因為收生無準則，學生來自五湖四海。
咁大家又怕太雜齊齊去報考直資/私校，
考唔到的亦會大叫不公平，
因為大家都唔知學校收生標準。

總之香港地小朋友讀書辛苦，
做家長的一樣咁辛苦。
辛辛苦苦入到名校都只是個開始，
條路真係好長，好長…..

祝願各位小朋友都能開開心心返學。
我都唔知點解係度講咁多野，
其實我個仔上左小學好耐了，
都唔應該講咁多，主佑各位。

Charlotte_mom

bk2005,
oops!
sorry, 我指既係呢句:"我身邊有朋友為了入小學，舉家飛往菲國受洗，今天成功進入油天，晚上還舉行慶功。可憐我只有15分，被拒於門外，因我沒有同流合污。我沒有不開心"
我意思係: 如果我係事主, 要我睇住人地咁"做馬"入左都鄧人開心, 我自問真係做唔到....

小夜曲

冇話邊個對 or 錯, 最錯就係政府. 呢d制度係佢地d高官唸出黎!!!!  

說得對, 人地又無against the law, 只係道德標準比人鬆. 正如大陸?~笑貧不笑娼, 還以做香港人的二奶為榮tim.... 有真正受教育的人, 會這樣做?

所謂, 種瓜得瓜, 原意是想仔女出人頭地, 好哀吾哀, 有樣學樣, 有文憑, 無人格.. 每年不知多少高官, 教授, 會計師, 律師, 和其他專業人士, 咪為左少少利益而嘢上官非.

唉! 忠忠直直, 終須乞食!!  

死蠢一族

vhunghk

bk2005

小夜曲 寫道:

唉! 忠忠直直, 終須乞食!!  

If 忠忠直直, 終須乞食, I will teach my child to 乞食. However, I don't thing not 同流合污 will 乞食. I hope  parent can teach their child the correct value of ethic.

Charlotte_mom,
Sorry, sorry.

Charlotte_mom

BK2005
唔緊要啦, 我自己講得唔清唔楚姐...

carrierogerian

麟媽媽 寫道:
點樣既派位制度都有問題，
除去宗教分只會剩下世襲制，
全部大攪珠到時名校一定轉制，
因為收生無準則，學生來自五湖四海。
咁大家又怕太雜齊齊去報考直資/私校，
考唔到的亦會大叫不公平，
因為大家都唔知學校收生標準。

總之香港地小朋友讀書辛苦，
做家長的一樣咁辛苦。
辛辛苦苦入到名校都只是個開始，
條路真係好長，好長…..

Agreed!
As a catholic mother, I hope my son could study in a catholic school and I give up applying those "famous" Christian Schools. In the first round, my son fails in getting a place even with 20 marks but  I'm sure God will open other ways.

navigator

香港人是世界上有名腦筋動得快的民族之一。他能籍此辦法取夠分數而進入心儀的小學理應聰明多於欺騙的。因為這張領洗紙畢竟不是假的嘛！其實最大的責任應該是在學校那裏。學校在審核文件時，特別是那些多人爭相入讀的超級名校，有關人士為何不查核及求証清楚？！難道他不會質疑其領洗紙簽發日期及地點呢？？又舉一例：假如學生報稱是九龍塘的地址，那麼學校方面有無查証其學生就讀的幼稚園地點/住址是否也前後呼應？！這些詳細的資料都會在學生手冊及正本成績表查証得到。問題是貴校究竟有無憑着公平公義的精神把關收生的呢？！假如貴校很可能會認為此領洗紙甚有取巧之嫌，會造成對其他小朋友不公的現象，那麼就請你以學習陳日君的公義作為榜樣，挺身而出向校長指出此舉不公平的現象並做出公正公平的措施平息民憤。

navigator

香港人是世界上有名腦筋動得快的民族之一。他能籍此辦法取夠分數而進入心儀的小學理應聰明多於欺騙的。因為這張領洗紙畢竟不是假的嘛！其實最大的責任應該是在學校那裏。學校在審核文件時，特別是那些多人爭相入讀的超級名校，有關人士為何不查核及求証清楚？！難道他不會質疑其領洗紙簽發日期及地點呢？？又舉一例：假如學生報稱是九龍塘的地址，那麼學校方面有無查証其學生就讀的幼稚園地點/住址是否也前後呼應？！這些詳細的資料都會在學生手冊及正本成績表查証得到。問題是貴校究竟有無憑着公平公義的精神把關收生的呢？！假如貴校很可能會認為此領洗紙甚有取巧之嫌，會造成對其他小朋友不公的現象，那麼就請你以學習陳日君的公義作為榜樣，挺身而出向校長指出此舉不公平的現象並做出公正公平的措施平息民憤。

TWMa

navigator 寫道:
香港人是世界上有名腦筋動得快的民族之一。他能籍此辦法取夠分數而進入心儀的小學理應聰明多於欺騙的。因為這張領洗紙畢竟不是假的嘛！其實最大的責任應該是在學校那裏。

果然聰明, 咁既邏輯都諗到.
仲有, "香港人" 同 "民族" 掛唔上钩.

judy

聰明人欺騙 = 腦筋動得快。

蠢人欺騙=???

其實最大的責任應該是在學校那裏。

是的，最大的責任是在學校那裏，邊個叫佢辦得好，佢辦得唔好，就唔會吸引聰明人動腦筋。