減短暑假的好處（張慧慈）

Jane1983

貧富才來都不公，由1歲到80歲都係，大家都明白。求學時期相對來說，已經是最公平的時候。考份卷，吾理你父母係邊個，吾理你美醜，吾理你識吾識講野擦鞋，能者勝。

shadeslayer

原帖由 Jane1983 於 15-05-23 發表
貧富才來都不公，由1歲到80歲都係，大家都明白。求學時期相對來說，已經是最公平的時候。考份卷，吾理你父 ...

對，但社會有D人似乎希望以富人窮人50/50 入大學為公平。

Jane1983

回覆 shadeslayer 的帖子

希望政策有利自己，係人之常情。但以貧富分流，就擺明反智。

goodenough

暑假本可以讓孩子在陽光普照的暑熱日子享受戶外活動，暫且放下緊張又忙碌的學習生活，平衡身心發展。又可讓孩子為過去的一年作總結，也為新的一年作準備。

假若，當暑假已漸漸變成上補習班催谷的日子、當暑假已逐步成為家長的手段，以強化孩子學習能力和視野的時候，也難怪沒能力在暑假送子女往補習、送子女往遊學增廣見聞的父母發出怨言！明明是很想孩子有個開心快樂暑假，現在卻倒轉頭來想快點開學！這不是跟「信是生男惡，反是生女好。生女猶得嫁比鄰，生男埋沒隨百草」的情況有點相似。在以往重男輕女的封建思想社會中，何解會想到竟然是生女比生男還好？只是年年的征戰，令百姓痛不欲生，杜甫還不是要說說反話來舒發一下感受。

如果因為要上補習班催谷的壞風氣而渴望縮短假期的話，本身已經可惜。如果因為自己對教育制度理解不足，只是人云亦云的，又或錯判當前的教育情況而白白犧牲了寶貴的假期的話，就更加不值！現在的升學制度已盡量平衡同學升去心儀中學的機會，除了大抽獎之外，至少還有不少成功例子是平民學校同學憑實力走進官津受歡迎的學校。而且，自教育改革之後，拔尖補底的措施已非常普通，不少學校除了要求同學放學留下補課之外，部份更會在星期六或一些假期中，安排補習課程給同學，讓可拔尖的同學更上一層樓，讓不足的同學回到應有水平。暑假對同學來說，已是一個好卑微的要求！如果資源許可而確實又有需要的話，個別學校，像協恩還會為中五升中六的同學特別縮短暑假，提前「開學」！

暑假期間，難得是可以放下書包，換上背包，遠走他方。踏在別人的土壤上，呼吸人家的空氣，瞭解別人的文化。又可走上古戰場，重溫兩軍對陣時的激烈，感受屍橫遍地的悲壯！沒有機會遊學的同學也不要緊，還有不少有意義的工作。可參加一些義工團往參觀老人院，跟長者們混熟了，他或會帶你走進時光隧道，跟你細訴比古戰場更激烈、更可歌可泣的往事，送你寶貴的人生一課！


沒需要上學的日子總會令人著迷！每一年的暑假就是孩子最喜歡的日子，總渴望快些到來。給一個機會孩子休養生息，為孩子的臉上加點笑容，為來年整裝待發，為未來嘅人生添上滋潤，作為父母的才會拍手！

annie40

印象中喜歡上學的孩子，從來不在乎暑假長短。基本是早點見到朋友更開心了。

上學讓人覺得討厭，沒趣，沒自由，問題出在那兒？

MrBeast

Personally, 我也是prefer 有暑假，孩子要叉電，又要比佢hea 下待腦仔rewire, 但相信中學階段暑假其實可做多一些

ANChan59

原帖由 MrBeast 於 15-05-24 發表
Personally, 我也是prefer 有暑假，孩子要叉電，又要比佢hea 下待腦仔rewire, 但相信中學階段暑假其實可做 ...

我們一家正在外地放假中，不單止孩子，我們家長都要！

Yanamami

諗起自己細个，最期待暑假可以sleep in, 唔洗朝朝趕头趕命食隻包~

Yanamami

annie40 發表於 15-5-24 07:19
印象中喜歡上學的孩子，從來不在乎暑假長短。基本是早點見到朋友更開心了。

上學讓人覺得討厭，沒趣，沒自 ...

放到尾段恨快d开学……好㗎！番学時恨放假，放假時恨番学，有盼望曰子过得快~

nintendo

Modern education was an "old" product. It started in the times when a lot of families were still farmers.
In that time, many children would simply skipped school in summer just to stay home to help parents harvest their farmland.
In the end, schools decided that since may kids are not at school, lets have a long summer holiday.
When I was at university, I had a few friends that were from farmers families. They all said that summer holidays used to have that purpose.
Of course for now, it appears that we no longer need the long summer to work in home farms, which are much more modernised.
Families economical situation is also different now.
For most families, they can afford holiday trips with the kids.
For grass root families, it might be a good time for summer jobs.
I do not see how shorter long holidays can really help kids.
You are only trying to retain them at the same spot, i.e "the school" only.Quality education does not have to happen 12 months a year, 30 days a month.
Most schools have way under 200 school days per year, and we have been doing fine.
Children need non-academic experience to help them grow.
Whether that is expensive family trip, or dirty summer job (to earn more $).
These are all good experience.
Not only expensive tuitions or expensive summer cruises are benificial.

nintendo

annie40 發表於 15-5-24 07:19
印象中喜歡上學的孩子，從來不在乎暑假長短。基本是早點見到朋友更開心了。

上學讓人覺得討厭，沒趣，沒自由，問題出在哪兒？

My kids enjoy learning. But they also enjoy holidays.
I think there is no need to equate people that enjoy holidays to those that are not happy at school/work.
If we do the same thing every day, it is going to be boring.
After long holidays, many students are actually happy to go back to school.
I do not think there is any problems.

Yanamami

nintendo 發表於 15-5-24 10:50
Modern education was an "old" product. It started in the times when a lot of families were still far ...

係~~放暑假要幫多d阿媽做家務……

nintendo

Yanamami 發表於 15-5-24 11:08
係~~放暑假要幫多d阿媽做家務……

Mom always asked me to help her do laundry. The part I hated most was to pair socks when their were dry. My brother would be the one that cook. His wife (and children) should thank my mom for training him up with cooking. We did not have much chance for trips since dad was always busy at his job and money was tight. But we had lots of precious time at home.

MrBeast

Yanamami 發表於 15-5-24 11:08
係~~放暑假要幫多d阿媽做家務……

Reminds me of a couple of good ort books: pocket money, the power cut

shadeslayer

原帖由 nintendo 於 15-05-24 發表
本帖最後由 nintendo 於 15-5-24 11:23 編輯

You don't understand Ms Cheung's logic. She is saying longer holiday gives the rich kids academic advantage because they can afford tuitions in holidays. Ms Cheung is saying the way to level the playing field, so poor kids can catch up academically, is to reduce holiday time so rich kids CANNOT do holiday tuitions.

But this logic is flawed and is based on a wicked sense of fairness.  What if rich kids do weekend tuitions, Ms Cheung then advocate boarding schools with no weekend breaks?  What if the rich kids go to a school with better teachers?  Then Ms Cheung might advocate having one type of government schools and no more DSS, private schools and ISs?  

What about parents knowledge and home teaching?  How do you level that? What about nutrition advantage that rich kids have?  What about the health care advantage?  What about the residence advantage? What about the transportation advantage saving valuable time? The list is never ending.  

To achieve the ultimate fairness in Ms Cheung's sense, one has to do what the government do in "the Giver".  The government collect all the new borns, assign to families and children receive similar upbringing.

nintendo

shadeslayer 發表於 15-5-24 12:08
You don't understand Ms Cheung's logic. She is saying longer holiday gives the rich kids academic ad ...

How did you come up with me not understanding her logic?

shadeslayer

原帖由 nintendo 於 15-05-24 發表
How did you come up with me not understanding her logic?

From your previous post:

"I do not see how shorter long holidays can really help kids.
........
........
Children need non-academic experience to help them grow."

Ms Cheung was talking about leveling the playing field, that is how she would like to help poor kids.

Ms C also focus on "academic" performance ...."

nintendo

shadeslayer 發表於 15-5-24 12:37
From your previous post:

"I do not see how shorter long holidays can really help kids.

I know her logic. Just that I do not agree.

Oh. Whatever.

annie40

曾看過的文章，忘記了出處。提議縮短暑假的是美國，不是歐美。

美國的暑假是從五月中至九月初，足足近四個月。四個月唔返學跟香港孩子放六至七星期假的分別很大。美國有自己的教育問題，香港情況完全不適用！

也許張小姐沒有孩子，完全把時事觸角配錯位置。

ANChan59

我在較早回帖中有類似看法！