請問國內居民，沒有香港身分證，能在香港讀國際校嗎？

hellokids

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Totally agree that's the problem of HK govt of not being able to manage well in this part but please understand that one is not easy to have such a high eq to tolerate when they found a stranger is sleeping in their bed.

wywy0b0j

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" I can tell I'm one of those who can't stay calm after my experience of a woman from mainland suddenly sat on my laps in mtr!"

- that must be very rare accident, right? We don't have to downgrade ourselves to fight with people from much less priviledged status than us, right? I mean, I have encountered many HK local taxi drivers who are rude and angry, but I won't discriminate HK people for that. Stay cool. The world can only get more integrated and more competitive, no way to go backwards.

Shrimpiggy

Yes, but you may find it heartbreaking that your parents told you that the stranger is their guest who brought your family many RMB.....which is much more than you gave them monthly.
Your anger is quite understandable but we need to face the reality.
If you can convince your parents to force them out, then you have to find another place to earn your living.

FattyDaddy

wywy0b0j 發表於 13-2-22 14:04
HK is a global city and we are open for competition from everyone, whether it is from Indian or Korean or Chinese or British doesn't matter, right?  ...

I see this kind of benign proposition all the time, it appears to be sound but in fact it is misleadingly incorrect.

There are many "international / global cities" around the world, London, New York, Paris, you name it, but being an international city or global city does not mean an open city without any immigration control and population planning. Every country has appropriate policies in place to manage the quantity and quality of visitors and settlers, some countries (e.g. China) even have policies to discourage their own citizens from moving within the country, e.g. China's 戶籍 system, that is why you don't see 1.3 billion Chinese all trying to cram into cities like Shanghai or Peking or Canton.

Hongkongers in general do not mind competition from anyone, what they are angry about is the (almost) total lack of control against visitors and settlers from China, and this anger did not appear out of nowhere for no reason in no time. Both the Hongkong government and the China government had (purposely?) ignored warning signs for many years and allowed what began as mere inconveniences grew to be catastrophes. It could have been a win-win situation if properly managed, but then the China government was just too eager to sinicize Hongkong, and the Hongkong government did not have much of a backbone either, well, has anyone ever seen a puppet with a backbone?

minirat

wywy0b0j 發表於 13-2-22 15:00
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" I can tell I'm one of those who can't stay calm after my experience of a wo ...

I must say, many mainlanders I met are one of a kind, in a bad way.  Having said that, I agree that we should not condemn everyone from the mainland because of the few we met.  And I couldn't agree more on your last statement.

Shrimpiggy

Puppet surely without a backbone. But the puppets here are provoking conflicts unconsciously.

FattyDaddy

This guy in the following YouTube video has an unusual and radical view that few Hongkongers might have thought of till now, but judging by the way things are happening in Hongkong, more and more Hongkongers may well start to see things this way ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD5V7VZOR6Y

Shrimpiggy

That's my point. 50years unchanged is meaningless.

FattyDaddy

Shrimpiggy 發表於 13-2-22 17:51
That's my point. 50years unchanged is meaningless.

I think prior to 1997 only the most naive of Hongkongers believed that "no change for 50 years" statement, the vast majority knew there would be changes afterwards, but many expected the changes would be for the better, or if not better at least not too much for the worse, few could comprehend just how much damage could be done by mismanagement of a city.

On 1/July/1997, how many Hongkongers could imagine then, that in the not too distant future, even the simple act of giving birth and feeding one's baby could become a difficulty.

Mighty

有D人成日都話香港係個国際城市、醍下LA,香港只是有好多国内人的城市JA.　有日我坐火車、選択了頭等、有好多位坐、不過唔知点解、有３LOT大陸人、選択全部分開坐、但就要一路傾、句来句往、真係吵死人。　我坐火車幾十年、都未見過有其他人種是這様談話的、我也不是説全部大陸人都是無文化、只是大部分我見到的就是没有文化個種。　其実我無野需要同大陸人/双非人争、我不用買MILK　POWDER,小朋友讀国際学校、家庭収入也OK,没有資格申請公屋/居屋 So i have nothing to be bitter about them at all 。　只是毎天坐火車、自由行也好、水貨客、実在神憎鬼厭。　亦心痛有他門的地方、総是弄得汚煙脹気的、有時間請到郊外営地看看、已成為他門駐脚的地方了。　This is nothing to do with being metopolitan, openminded, competitive or whatsoever. Our life quality is totally screwed up by them. 所以親愛的同胞、請尽早回到父母的懐抱、在国内読書好了。

Shrimpiggy

That's why we choose IS for our kids.

Mighty

最近就連SINGAPORE都有３千幾人上街(that was already the most number since its independence)、反対政府太引入太多FOREIGNERS。　SINGAPORE不是一個国際化城市嗎？当一個人感受到自己的生活質素受到影響、点国際化都好、都変成no tolerance la

aidan08

我都睇唔過眼佢哋D影響下一代的行為.....

所以我去到迪士尼，我會好在意有無人借D意打尖，通常D貌似民工的父母會有意無意讓自己的小孩幫手打尖，我每一次都會叫個細路唔好打尖，企返去後面，跟住同個父母講唔好教壞仔女，呢D係秩序。佢哋係好奇怪的，雖然佢哋係無文化，但你好嚴正咁同佢講佢哋跟住就會怕咗你，唔會再打尖。我老公成日叫我唔好嘥氣，但我覺得我幫緊祖國教育下一代。

仲有，唔知點解佢哋好鍾意排隊或等候時人貼人，總之佢企你後面的話，佢一定要黐住你，隻手又好，個袋又好，要黐住你好似要零距離咁，我都會同佢哋講，唔好掂住我，香港唔係咁的，掂住唔會快D，保持小小距離耐心等候。

不過，中肯D講，我覺得佢哋都有少少進步了，開始無咁多人黐晒線咁打尖，仲記得五六年前去海洋公園，真係比班強國同胞嚇親，趕搭纜車好似有金執咁，而家唔會了，最多個樣都係好心急，但忍到唔打尖。我仲見過一對年青國內男女見我抱住個仔在海洋公園上山的火車上讓座，有希望旳！

Shrimpiggy

我們生氣是沒有用的，做好自己，給他們羞愧自己的行為。
老實講，我們也有好多人吐痰，樓梯大便，講粗口。但如果他們不是你的家人，我們的容忍度便大大下降!

jolalee

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Agree :)

wywy0b0j

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Re the "international city" argument: remember Toronto was flooded with HK immigrants in the 1990s? As of today, if you go to London, you will find a lot immigrants from east European countries, they have taken over the jobs in the hotels and services industries; in Paris, there are a lot people from African countries; and US has been flooded with Mexicans. Haven't you heard that in 10 years or so, the most popular first name in US would not be "John", but "Juan" (a Mexican/Spanish name)! It is the same everywhere, not only HK.

Chinese were discriminated by the other "white" countries, Australia had the "White Australian Policy" for nearly 100 years and called Chinese "Yellow Peril"; US had the "Chinese Exclusion Act" in the late 1880s. During those times, my friend, unfortunately you and I would have all been treated as "Yellow Peril" by foreign standard. We would be fooling ourselves by discriminating the mainland Chinese and think we are superior! New Yorkers may think they are superior/smarter and look down upon the "fat"/"stupid" Taxesens, but New Yorkers do not stop the southerners to move to NYC, and guess what, in the eyes of foreigners, they are all just Americans!

On the flip side, look at Taiwan, which closed its door to China. TW and HK used to be similar as "Asian Tigers/Dragons", but TW's overall social economic development has signficantly lagged HK in the past 10-15 years. Japan also thought they were superior to China and has a close-door policy on immigration/import, and Japan has suffered 'lost decade" for the past 25 years....

Mighty

wywy0b0j 發表於 13-2-26 05:14
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Re the "international city" argument: remember Toronto was flooded with HK i ...

問題香港真係太細、容納不到這ＭＯＲＥ多的大陸同胞、同其他国家不能相題並論。　香港没有選択移民質素権利、亦是一個不可逆転的可悲事実。

elmostoney

其實我都碰過唔少有質素嘅國內同胞. 問題係, 而家好多有能力嘅同胞都已選擇去更遠嘅地方, 剩返好多水平麻麻嘅就大批湧港"旅遊", 佢地嘅質素咪就係不停令我地有新聞睇囉.  

個日我睇news, don't remember which tourism organization chairman, 真係一針見血. 佢話paris, london NY呢d international cities, 你有見過d遊客去搶購奶粉同日用品嗎?  我地嘅"遊客"水平可見一斑.  香港仲稱得上係 international city咩?  不過從文化角度睇, 香港根本就從來未入過流. 人地d真正國際大城市, museums and 各種文化藝術表演, 水平真係唔可以同香港同日而語, 因為香港政府只係掛住商業發展 (正確係地產, 金融同大陸自由行), 其他物都唔理.

shadeslayer

原帖由 elmostoney 於 13-02-26 發表
其實我都碰過唔少有質素嘅國內同胞. 問題係, 而家好多有能力嘅同胞都已選擇去更遠嘅地方, 剩返好多水平麻麻 ...

個日我睇news, don't remember which tourism organization chairman, 真係一針見血. 佢話paris, london NY呢d international cities, 你有見過d遊客去搶購奶粉同日用品嗎? 我地嘅"遊客"水平可見一斑.

Xxxxxxxx

搶奶和普羅大眾的質素關係不大，搶奶和政府商家的關係大D。當當大國世界第二大經濟體系又如何？

FattyDaddy

wywy0b0j 發表於 13-2-26 10:14
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Re the "international city" argument: remember Toronto was flooded with HK i ...

You are missing my point. One cannot "flood" Toronto, every single Hongkonger who went there had to go through Canada's immigration and settlement procedures. As for London, I have lived in that city for half my life and believe you me the impact of Eastern European immigrants are not even close to the kind of impact the China visitors and immigrants are having on Hongkong today. Last year in Hongkong, the number of births given by tourists from China matches the number of local births, oh yes, 雙非 parents are 自由行 tourists, which "international city" in the world would allow that to happen?

Bringing up an extreme legislation like the "Chinese Exclusion Act" is also missing it by a mile, I pointed out the problem of total lack of control, the remedy to that is NOT total exclusion.