銅鑼灣聖保祿 vs 拔萃女小學

Zen

2mings，，

哈！哈！我囡對第一及二條問題既答案一定係~NO~.

coolobserver

Well said well said, especially that part about "parents (rather than students) wishing to compete against one another".  Take a look around you in February and it will not be difficult to spot them.  

As I said if you just lie low, relax, and do not care about your classmates reading storybooks 5 years ahead of syllabus, or getting private tuition classes (which their parents try to keep it a secret, for fear that others will also get the privilege of being tutored by the same tutor), it should be a very enjoyable and stimulating experience for the kid.   I agree that some kids do get a bit competitive and intellectually snobbish, but they are probably under the influence of their parents; and they are in the minority.

2mings I thought u are from St Paul's Co-ed?

2mings 寫道:
可以,不過係要由家長引導及觀察: -
1. 問囡囡是否願意一放學返黎,就自己做功課及溫書? (現在使唔使你三催四請先做?)
2. 放假都唔會點出街,要留在家中溫書,能否做到? (家長又得唔得?)
3. 係咪想考第一? 考唔到會點? (只會哭/ 更努力?)
如 1&2 都答願意,就要由即時開始實行.由家長視察囡囡既自發性! 3 既答案其實做父母既已早知子女是否一個輸得起既人!

話時話,我認識一位係女拔小既資深教師,佢話佢的女學生個個都好乖巧!比較煩擾同小事化大,鍾意係到鬥餐死既.... 係的家長!!!

所以,受壓果個,可能係阿爸阿媽多的! 想想未來十二年,每月收到既生日會繳請... 自己同阿囡又點搞生日會... 人地捐款多少... 人地著成點... 人地做咩生意... 人地有司機駕S系接送... 自己就...

如果上列一齊於你都冇問題,冇hard feeling... 小朋友更加唔會有問題.佢都係睇你啫!    
[quote]由 Zen 於 2005-01-18 11:18:57

問題是一個６歲的小朋友是否成熟到可以思考及決定這方面的事情？

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2mings

Hi Zen
我囡囡都係第一及二條問題say"no",而我自己就第二條say"no".第三條,我囡囡話daddy教佢唔使次次都一定要優,因為唔使成日都"優"衭,成日"優"住會好辛苦,間中"優"一"優"就得!!! 俾佢兩個激死!!!

ShirleyLeung

我老公有些"奇特"的想法: 我們認為現今香港的小朋友生活得實在太"寫意", 過份地"舒適"了, 所以如果有一間學校(如大家口中的DGJS)能給予學生一定程度的"磨練", 或學業上的, 或心理質素上的, 就有如"少林寺"/"木人巷"等的特訓, 當學生們習慣了面對這等"苦楚", 那麼將來長大了以後, 無論遇到任何困境, 她會懂得如何自我調節去適應/去克服, 這未嘗不是一件好事.

你們認為對嗎?

WaWaMom

Agree that nowadays kids are pretty smart. However, they are still too young to make a proper judgment. I would not ask my kid to compare 2 schools. I would rather ask her feeling of each school. If she doesn't have too much negative comment, that's mean she would be OK to study over there once she makes some friends.

Since each kid has his/her characters, I would consider your daughters as 2 separate units and choose a school that fit each of the individual.

Nowadays, choosing a school is not only for kids anymore but also for parents as well. In other words, it is a family commitment. Before commit to any school, you should be well prepared, such as collect more than enough information of the school, your daughter's character, etc. Others comments are just for reference. Personally speaking, if your daughter has been interviewed and then got accepted, more or less, it implies she has potential. Just pick the one that fit your family the most.

I don't 100% agree with 2mings comment: 鍾意係到鬥餐死既.... 係的家長
It should be 鍾意係到鬥餐死既.... 係的NAIVE家長, those with good EQ won't do that     

coolobserver

Equally well said, but perhaps the difference is just a matter of emphasis.  We all know which type we are talking about.  

WaWaMom 寫道:

I don't 100% agree with 2mings comment: 鍾意係到鬥餐死既.... 係的家長
It should be 鍾意係到鬥餐死既.... 係的NAIVE家長, those with good EQ won't do that     

bau

I agree that the most trouble and need to worry for the girl is not the school but the unpredictable behaviour of the parents. I can use terrible to describe them as their behaviour really affect the VALUE of the kid. Many parents bought a lot of toys for their kids classmate during Christmas parties and brought very big Christmas card to school, I think they just want to make the kids happy but it really a waste as the children cannot eat all of these foods and some kids were not happy if their parents didn’t provided these for their friends.

Today, parents are willing to spend a lot of money on their kids, buying the updated learning aided toys, beautiful clothes, take them out for trip, joining a lot of extra activities, arrange big birthday party and even donate the money to school and they think this will please the teachers and their kids. But can we sit down and think what the outcome will these bring to our children, the kids got a lot of toys from the party, will they treasure it? Will they think that they should work the best in order to get what they want? We can see that many young people today spend more than they can earn because they cannot control themselves and their parents didn’t teach them on this. My friend told me that his son is now in K3, the kids are comparing the toys they had in the school, they want to show off to their friends where they had been to during the holidays. Is this what we want our children to behave?

Just giving them the expensive things don’t mean that you are good to them, we should spend more time to talk to them and let them feel warm. My girl always telling me which classmate has Hello Kitty Jacket, which has Winnie the Pooh bag and I need to explain to her that she has enough clothes and some of the goods are too expensive and not worth to spend the money on it.

2mings

coolobserver

You're really a cool observer!!!  

coolobserver

What you refer to is financial snobbery.  I do not think that this is too serious in primary schools (after all, kids cannot wear Hello Kitty jackets back to primary school and parents do not normally boast about their wealth to others).   The concern which 2mings is (I think) raising is intellectual snobbery and over-emphasis upon private tuition/results in P1 etc.   Hope I have not misunderstood 2mings.  

bau 寫道:
I agree that the most trouble and need to worry for the girl is not the school but the unpredictable behaviour of the parents. I can use terrible to describe them as their behaviour really affect the VALUE of the kid. Many parents bought a lot of toys for their kids classmate during Christmas parties and brought very big Christmas card to school, I think they just want to make the kids happy but it really a waste as the children cannot eat all of these foods and some kids were not happy if their parents didn’t provided these for their friends.

Today, parents are willing to spend a lot of money on their kids, buying the updated learning aided toys, beautiful clothes, take them out for trip, joining a lot of extra activities, arrange big birthday party and even donate the money to school and they think this will please the teachers and their kids. But can we sit down and think what the outcome will these bring to our children, the kids got a lot of toys from the party, will they treasure it? Will they think that they should work the best in order to get what they want? We can see that many young people today spend more than they can earn because they cannot control themselves and their parents didn’t teach them on this. My friend told me that his son is now in K3, the kids are comparing the toys they had in the school, they want to show off to their friends where they had been to during the holidays. Is this what we want our children to behave?

Just giving them the expensive things don’t mean that you are good to them, we should spend more time to talk to them and let them feel warm. My girl always telling me which classmate has Hello Kitty Jacket, which has Winnie the Pooh bag and I need to explain to her that she has enough clothes and some of the goods are too expensive and not worth to spend the money on it.

bau

Totally agree "我們認為現今香港的小朋友生活得實在太"寫意", 過份地"舒適"了"

Kids are too protected by the parents and they cannot develop problem solving skills.

j-ma-ma

Marymame,

If both your you do not have much time, I think you really have to think clearly before you join DGJS.  Not just because of the time to follow their homework and get 100 marks but the extra activities after school.  You will hit lots of problems arranging transport for two kids one in HK and one in Kln because school bus won't help in lots of case.  DGJS is a very good school in a lot of areas (music, sports) etc and your kid will be forced to join some of those.  Everybody will have private tutor or after school tution and you will be forced to arrange.  Again the pressure in on parents because you will be afraid that you kid will be the last in the class and....
I know a kid from oridinally family who is in DGJS.  She fails in all subject including visual art.  After P.6 she cannot promote to DGS.  But now she is very happy and get very good results in the new school.

WaWaMom

200% agree with bau.

My theory is: no matter how good your achievement is, people still would look down on you due to your poor behavior!

For example, I really can’t stand kids yelled at their maids. If my kids need help from our maid, they have to say ‘Please’. That's a way of respectful! Also, when they meet my friends, they have to call ‘Uncle’ or ‘Aunti’. That is the basis manner!

It is undeniable I do spoil my kids in certain areas, that why it is good for parents to share. BK really provides a channel for me to improve myself! Oops, am I too hard sell?  

marymame

Dear BusyBaBa,

Please check pm. Thank you very much.

I would like to thank all of the parents here.

Regards,

marymame

horselover

I totally agree with 2mings.

My daughter is studying in a kindergarten in Kowloon Tong, and luckily she is admitted to both DGJS and SPC. My understandings are:

- It is relatively more difficult to be admitted to DGJS than SPC. So you should value your offer by DGJS.
-  I seek opinions regarding 2 schools from experienced educators, graduates and current students from 2 schools, 100% of them support the choice of DGJS.
- From what I heard, SPC take more consideration of siblings than DGJS.
- SPC is more relaxed than DGJS.
- If you want your daughter to have strong personality and be very tough when they grow up, DGJS is your choice.
- however, if I were you, I will consider how much time you can spend on your daughter's academic, also the time to travel from home to school. As rest time is important for kids.

dclkwok

bau 寫道:
If 97 is the worst in the class, I believe as the parents should blame their kids as this doesn't mean that her girl is not smart for 1 marks' difference and if the parents worry and find lots of way try to push her up, this will give great pressure to the girl.

I agree that not the school generate the pressure but from the parents and the surrounding relatives and friends only as they have too high expectation on the girls studying there.

We are not expecting the kids with high marks but just want the school can nurture them to develop independent thinking and problem solving skill. Who care you got 100 marks in english literature or history when you are work, all people care is the way you think and you handle the task.

DGJS is so famous because we find the girl there is very smart not only they got many 10As.

As there are so many chance to get a seat in university now, the reason why parents still want the kids to enter DGJS is they believe girls there can be developed better than or other schools.

good totally agreed. famous school=get 9A in Cert.=good man??

dclkwok

ShirleyLeung 寫道:
我老公有些"奇特"的想法: 我們認為現今香港的小朋友生活得實在太"寫意", 過份地"舒適"了, 所以如果有一間學校(如大家口中的DGJS)能給予學生一定程度的"磨練", 或學業上的, 或心理質素上的, 就有如"少林寺"/"木人巷"等的特訓, 當學生們習慣了面對這等"苦楚", 那麼將來長大了以後, 無論遇到任何困境, 她會懂得如何自我調節去適應/去克服, 這未嘗不是一件好事.

你們認為對嗎?

sorry can't concur

dclkwok

bau 寫道:
I agree that the most trouble and need to worry for the girl is not the school but the unpredictable behaviour of the parents. I can use terrible to describe them as their behaviour really affect the VALUE of the kid. Many parents bought a lot of toys for their kids classmate during Christmas parties and brought very big Christmas card to school, I think they just want to make the kids happy but it really a waste as the children cannot eat all of these foods and some kids were not happy if their parents didn’t provided these for their friends.

Today, parents are willing to spend a lot of money on their kids, buying the updated learning aided toys, beautiful clothes, take them out for trip, joining a lot of extra activities, arrange big birthday party and even donate the money to school and they think this will please the teachers and their kids. But can we sit down and think what the outcome will these bring to our children, the kids got a lot of toys from the party, will they treasure it? Will they think that they should work the best in order to get what they want? We can see that many young people today spend more than they can earn because they cannot control themselves and their parents didn’t teach them on this. My friend told me that his son is now in K3, the kids are comparing the toys they had in the school, they want to show off to their friends where they had been to during the holidays. Is this what we want our children to behave?

Just giving them the expensive things don’t mean that you are good to them, we should spend more time to talk to them and let them feel warm. My girl always telling me which classmate has Hello Kitty Jacket, which has Winnie the Pooh bag and I need to explain to her that she has enough clothes and some of the goods are too expensive and not worth to spend the money on it.

good stuff! I like you so much!

wendi_fung

Hi, horsesolver:

Would you please share the experience of interviewing the two schools DGJS & SPC?

Please also advise :
What's the main criteria of success  ?
What're the favourable condition/characters your daughter had ?
What preparation you/your daughter had before interview? For example, joined many extra-currcular activities .....
Or any other important criteria....

Thanks a lot!

My email is [email protected]

wendi_fung

很開心知道不太考慮父母背景

可否告知小女拔面試時要準備/ 注意什麼 ? 妳女兒入了,  是否有做 PROFILE ? 妳小朋友K3 讀那間KINDER呢 ? 有否參加面試班..... ?

妳女兒的性格如何 ? 活潑好動...是否很重要? 妳的囡囡在方面較卓越而成功考取這校呢

請告知心得和妳認為成功的要素.

Thanks in advance

ShirleyLeung

我也很想知此校的收生準則是麼樣的.

雖然小囡僥幸入到, 但我卻看不出她與其他的小朋友有何分別/優勢, 莫非靠的是




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