真道:IB+DSE

nintendo

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申請香港大學就用 dse，申請美加澳大學就用 ibdp ？咁奇都有？
當然，係可以，但係叫 d 學生咁做，真係玩死人

學校好似唔明 ibdp workload 好重咁？
其實好多 ibdp 學生，都應付得好辛苦
唔信去一 d  ib 討論區睇下就知
唔好忘記，全世界大部份 ibdp 學生都係精英學生

如果學校當初真係建議學生雙軌，我有理由懷疑學校會在校內評估做 "調整"
若然係咁我覺得 ibo 要認真 audit 一下某校是否會跟足 ibo 的 policy 做校內評估

ANChan59

如果學校當初真係建議學生雙軌，我有理由懷疑學校會在校內評估做 "調整"
若然係咁我覺得 ibo 要認真 audit 一下某校是否會跟足 ibo 的 policy 做校內評估
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Why you say so? Can you elaborate more?

hhy2007

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Anchan,

Yes, SAT is much easier.  Some of my relatives in the US let their kids to take SAT at age of 12 or 13 for some scholarship programs.

Nintendo,

Yes.  Everybody in her school has to take SAT if they want to pursue higher education in the US.  As to IB certificate, only those who are interested and confident choose to do either IB certificate or IBDP.  Some able students choose to do AP.  As students choose either IB or AP based on their ability, the overall performance for IB/AP exam in the school looks pretty good.  

All in all, I also believe it quite difficult to do well in both IBDP and DSE if the students do the two at the same time. However, if people are able and want to challenge themselves, let them be. There are always exceptions in life.

nintendo

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You are talking about outstanding students challenging themselves and take IBDP + DSE. I am sure there must be students that are able to. However, if a school is giving such advise to ALL students, I feel that the school is thinking about themselves more than for the benefit of the student. Bear in mind that we are talking about a school that is "average" and students are mostly quite mediocre.

ANChan59

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If both parents and kids made an informed decisions, it's fair enough and good luck to them to do well in both.
If not........

ANChan59

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I guess they will provide some conditional offers for 2nd batch HKDSE students. Definitely high scores.... to play safe.
The primary concerns of admission officers are how many 5**/5*/5, if so many 5 or 5*, even more than AL's A, they will stuck and offer hot programs to not so top students......The predicted grades from the local schools may be diversify and tend to overstate.

hhy2007

I just realized one thing: if there are only 5 in the whole school, who are taking IB, then the class for each subject would be so small that it's just like private tutoring. With such intensive "tutoring" and attention from their teachers, those 5 students' performances are presumed to be better.   

poonseelai

hhy2007 發表於 12-3-26 13:59
I just realized one thing: if there are only 5 in the whole school, who are taking IB, then the clas ...

according to the news, 5 taking both IB and DSE, around 20 taking IB only

ChiChiPaPa

何以認為IB比DSE難？

ANChan59

ChiChiPaPa 發表於 12-3-27 12:51
何以認為IB比DSE難？

I typed the reply in the afternoon, but the update of EK made me lost all info and re-typed again.
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ChiChiPaPa asked a very good question, which I asked myself 2 years ago. I searched in the internet to find any researches or expert reports to compare the two exams, but I can't find any IB vs HKDSE (more IB vs AP and IB vs GCE AL).

I used a stupid method to compare the two exam. I use indirect comparison method from UCAS's expert reports, IB vs GCE AL and HKDSE vs GCE AL as reference.

Moreover, I researched the university admission requirement and credit recognition as reference as well.

1. May be some parents aware, the IBers of this year still can take 3-year programs in HK, but HKDSE only go for 4-year programs. From next year onward, IBer can have credit recognition of HL subjects in HK, UK and US....... but not for HKDSE.

2. From my observation HKAL > IB/AP > HKDSE > HKCEE > GCSE

3. It's not a scientific comparison, I used IB score 6/7 vs HKDSE 5*/5**

                                    IB                    HKDSE

Chinese A HL                         >
Chinese A SL                        >/=

English A HL                          >
English A SL                          <

Maths  HL                        M1 < Maths HL =/< M2
Maths  SL                              =                 M1


Chemistry HL                         >
Chemistry SL                         <

Physics HL                             >
Physics SL                             <


Economics HL                        >
Economics SL                        <

TOK/EE                                  >           LS

CAS                                        >          OLE

Just for reference, other parents can share their views.........

ChiChiPaPa

當他們決定的時候，他們有3年時間準備IBDP,亦可有3年時間準備DSE。再比較海外和本地大學對IB和DSE的收生要求，我沒你那麼確定DSE是較易的路。而且4科不能選擇的主科當中有不獲海外大學認可的通識，升大的機會率，似乎DSE更小。

friendlyguy

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Why do you think IB=AP?

ANChan59

friendlyguy 發表於 12-3-27 22:06
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Why do you think IB=AP?

Be specific, IB certificate = AP, not IBDP. They are pretty close by subjects, of course, different people may have different view.
What's your view? How about other areas?

friendlyguy

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I don't know. I just curious and when to know more, Have you compare individual subject syllabus and difficulty in getting high grade? I just know some US university will give credit to AP, GCE AL and IB HL.

friendlyguy

hhy2007 發表於 12-3-26 09:43
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Anchan,

How many AP subjects did they take?

ANChan59

I always have a feeling those kids are misled by PY & vice-principal and made a biased decision.

If their IB certificate subjects are most SL, why not focus on HKDSE.

peremum

For anyone who is interested in the past performance of Logos' students, I suggest reading their Annual Report 2010/11 (http://www.logosacademy.edu.hk/frameset02.htm) esp. p.48 showing the HKAL result 2011.  I can just hope that their future performance will be much better than the past.

ANChan59

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I talked to a mom, her boy is the last batch of HKALE from LA, she said the results should be much better and students knew that the seniors not doing very well previous year(s), they work much harder.... As no turning back.