想讀醫高中要選什麼科?

KK07

This 'Protectionism' happens in many places including US.  I think most of the US medical schools don't have quota (or very few) for foreign  students. And foreign students who want to practise in US, they also need to sit their professional exam.  I believe  that protecting local students is a reasonable policy in view that the government subsidizes a huge amount to each medical student in local universities.

ANChan59

But local students take IB also local students ....... They are not foreign students .......

Good news is no more EAS, medical schools will take more non-JUPAS students, as they tend to admit best students and not based on curricullum.

I addressed a coin have two sides, the Medical Council's protectionism is manipulated the passing rate and HK cannot expand the talent pool easily.

In many other professional bodies, we have Reciprocial Recognition Agreement .........

ANChan59

You raised some good questions for discussion:

1. Universities have say on local syllabus and public examination - Any professor from local universities confirm this?

2. Are we as employers or supervisors satisfy our graduates' standard? If (1) valid, I doubt about the standard of the professor. Some professors complained to me that they can't control the incoming standards of students, except some hot programs. I don't think (1) only serve hot programs.....

3. Of course, they have limited participation in IB curricullum. As a parents, we pick IB not because of curricullum and examination alone, more focus on the teaching method, language proficency, better exposure ...... If my boy really want to do medicine, he needs to work harder and he will have more options eventually. I won't complain about the reality, no absolute fairness in the world.

4. IB 42 excluded bonus points equivalent to 6.5 A of GCE AL. Very soon, we don't have HKAL, so IB standard may be slightly better than HKDSE; I assume IB and GCE AL not much changed in syllabus.

5. Professional bodies have their own entrance requirements, they also may have reciprocal recognition agreement with other bodies or countries. I am in a working group of a professional body in HK. We would like to re-ramp the professional assessment framework from university program standard, training scheme, professional examination, aligned with recriprocal recognition agreement, comply with local regulations, ordinace and laws, language proficiency. We aligned with some international standard(s) to ensure our professionals can practise in other countries. Medical field in HK seems to take a backward route, from globalization to protectionism.

6. Do you know the passing rate of medicine's professional examination?


I am sorry to side track the discussion of the original thread. I will stop here.

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-3-29 13:43 編輯 ]

KK07

I may overlook your previous posting about your son studies IB in HK.  Yes, local students take IB are local students.....in that case, I'm not qaulified to comment as I'm not familiar with IB and how it should be compared with  HKDSE.  However, I'd assume that most of the students who take IB are planning to study aboard or compete with foreign students in HK for admission to local universities.  Anyway, hope your son will be able to achieve the highest mark.

ANChan59

"However, I'd assume that most of the students who take IB are planning to study aboard or compete with foreign students in HK for admission to local universities.  "

That's your assumption for IB and many parents have the same impression.

Some middle class parents in HK really fed up by our "Local" educational policy and never ending changes. If possible (resources wise), we may try to DIY our kids education plan, like DSS for junior high, IB for senior high and he/she has options for overseas and local universities. HKDSE may take years to have better recognition internationally.

By doing that we need to pay more $$$, pay more time to do research and seek for others opinion and the boy may need work much harder to get better grade and exposures.

Local IB students compete with most are local students and not foreign students. In non-JUPAS, most students are through GCE AL, IB, Higher Diploma, Chinese students (5%) and even postgraduates (15 out of 130 CUHK medical students are postgraduates, 2010-11 intake. ). Foreign students are still minority, particularly in hot programs.

KK07

I understand the rationale behind parents nowadays prefer to send their kids to international schools, IB…. Many parents are fed up by the education policies.  But no offence, I still hold my saying.  Yes, there are keen competition among the non-JUPAS applicants, but according to the admission policy, the non-JUPAS queue is open to the whole world.  Joining this queue implies that you are willing and planning to compete with foreign students (or as you said, non main stream local students).  No doubt IB or GCE AL students need to work hard and spend more money on their education, however, if they get excellent result, they are having a more promising chance to get into prestigious universities in other part of the world (compared with the new HKDSE).  So, at the end of the day, this is a trade-off.

ANChan59

原帖由 KK07 於 11-3-30 13:40 發表
But no offence, I still hold my saying. ...

Your saying is truth, no offence. We make the choice and follow the rules of game. I just compare the admission requirement with other top notch universities only.

Now, I know why LPCUWC in average only one student per year to take medicine in HK, even their scores are so impressive internatonally.

Be honest, the first three batches of HKDSE have more spaces for medicine
(1) No more EAS (1/3 of spaces) ; and
(2) Take more medical students, from 130 to 210 (valid for both CUHK & HKU).

The chance of JUPAS & non-JUPAS students will be improved.

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-3-30 23:25 編輯 ]

KK07

You always able to provide valid figures for analysis.  Yes, hope that all students who want to be a good doctor could get into the Faculty of Medicine.  I can feel that we are getting less and less doctors with 'heart'.

原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-3-30 14:29 發表


Your saying is truth, no offence. We make the choice and follow the rules of game. I just compare the admission requirement with other top notch universities only.

Now, I know why LPCUWC in averag ...

ANChan59

原帖由 KK07 於 11-3-30 23:18 發表
You always able to provide valid figures for analysis.  Yes, hope that all students who want to be a good doctor could get into the Faculty of Medicine.  I can feel that we are getting less and less d ...

Most of medicine students are whole-hearted originally, only the system, red tapes and bureaucracy in HA..........

ANChan59

醫科要求傳統理科

文章日期：2011年4月6日

【明報專訊】在新高中學制下，教育局鼓勵學生文理並重，在7.8萬名首屆文憑試考生中，修讀傳統「生物、化學、物理」的純理學生減至5538人，另有1.1萬人選修課程減半的「組合科學」或「綜合科學」科。但本報發現，部分海外名牌大學的部分理科和醫科課程，不承認「組科」屬理科資歷，令部分理科生被拒升學，海外留學夢恐難圓。

逾萬文憑試考生修讀

教育局回應，一般而言學校在中三向家長及學生介紹學校的選科政策，並進行選科調查，然後因應實際情為學生提供合適的科目選擇。發言人續稱，海外院校訂定文憑試收生要求時，不同學科或按課程水平、評核要求、訂定成績等級的標準，有不同的收生要求。

現時考評局網頁列出35間英美等地已承認香港中學文憑試的大學，包括美國耶魯大學、英國劍橋大學等名校的收生要求，部分學校個別學科卻不承認文憑試的組合科學和綜合科學。例如劍橋大學醫科要求學生從化學、生物、物理和數學4科中選修3科，鄧迪大學（University of Dundee）醫科要求學生修讀化學、生物以及另一選修科。

有部分本地名校學生因學校修課安排，無法攻讀「物理、化學、生物」科，只能讀一個理科另加組合科學，但向英國多所大學查詢時，卻發現組合科學不獲承認，出現不能銜接問題（見另稿）。

鄧迪大學收生代表﹕可報基礎課程銜接

本報曾嘗試向上述大學查詢，其中英國鄧迪大學在港收生代表、麥理覺教育服務經理戴志暉表示，該校承認文憑試，但醫科不接受學生以組合科學或綜合科學，取代生物和化學科。至於其他學科則視個別課程而定，若課程要求學生修讀數學，學生必須修讀延伸部分。

他補充，若學生只修讀一科理科，可考慮申請報讀該校為期1年的醫科基礎課程，先修讀生物、化學等基礎知識，再銜接該校5年的醫科本科。

戴志暉建議，學生可考慮在中五時前往英國升讀第11班，透過高考或基礎班升讀大學。他透露，不少英國和澳洲大學也向他反映，「即使接受文憑試成績，也不是所有課程也接受組合科學和綜合科學」，建議有意日後出國升讀理科課程的學生，宜選報生物、化學、物理等傳統理科課程。

JP

原帖由 ha8mo 於 11-4-7 17:30 發表


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有部分本地名校學生因學校修課安排，無法攻讀「物理、化學、生物」科，只能讀一個理科另加組合科學

邊D名校？全校學生都唔讀得嗎？
定只係學校入面部分學生唔夠同學爭入全理班咋？

朋友個女讀港島東名校張x珊，學校唔俾攻讀「物理、化學、生物」科，只能讀一個理科+組合科學+文商科。

ANChan59

原帖由 JP 於 11-4-8 15:43 發表
朋友個女讀港島東名校張x珊，學校唔俾攻讀「物理、化學、生物」科，只能讀一個理科+組合科學+文商科。

CCSC's original intention was expanded the exposure of students in different streams and control the number of subjects for HKDSE. CCSC only allowed students to take max 8 subjects in HKCEE, therefore no 9A or 10A, 8A was the max in HKCEE.

The Principal is very smart and also the only school 4 years ago, enrolled students based on rank order list plus ECA scores, no need for interview. They did a longitudinal study about the rank order list result vs the student performance in their school.

CCSC more focus on local universities, not a real problem for their students.

mattsmum

醫局﹕空缺多醫生少
(明報)2011年4月12日 星期二 05:05
【明報專訊】醫管局    行政總裁梁栢賢表示，近年公立醫院醫生流失率高，2011至2012年醫管局需要聘請330名醫生，但受制於這數年醫科新畢業的人數只得250至280人，無法填補公立醫院所需的醫生人手。食物及衛生局長周一嶽    表示，政府會循不同途徑增加醫生供應，2015年7月新畢業的醫科生將會增至320人，短期而言醫管局會研究聘請外國醫生，並會聘請兼職醫生，包括已退休的醫生，以紓緩醫生人手壓力。

擬聘外援增學額

立法會    衛生事務委員會昨討論醫管局醫生流失問題，民建聯    陳克勤表示，公立醫院醫生流失，除私營醫院挖角，醫生工時過長亦是問題癥結。他又說，即使增加晉升機會，增設副顧問醫生和顧問醫生，這些醫生要兼顧管理，減少前線工作，擔心無法減低前線醫生工作量。

梁栢賢表示，處理醫生工時過長問題，必須增加醫生人手，但港大和中大兩所醫學院，今年至2015年只每年培訓250名新畢業醫科生， 醫管局受制於新畢業醫生的人手供應，無法在短期內處理醫生工時過長的問題。但醫管局會有專責小組研究，用專科委員會的建議去檢視人手安排。據悉，政府擬在2012年至2015年3個學年，再增加港大和中大兩所醫學院的醫科生名額。