培正小學vs 英華小學, 點揀??

judy

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judy

ykwong,

上幾個星期太忙，只間中上來看一看，看到post上來之資料，却也提神醒脑。午飯時時给同事看看，看後大家嘻嘻哈哈的，勝過飯後甜品。

Clmun說："其實我覺得一間這麼好的學校竟成為教改下的犧牲品也深感可惜"，不知指的是英華中學還是小學，中學說得過去，小學就言過其實了。英小前身是一band3小學，band3者，绝大部分學生是band3學生也。師資呢？不可能太好吧。一間學校，轉一轉校名，却成名校。而成成名校之原因，是一條龍英中。以現時小學之情况，學生一條龍上去，將來英華是一條龍還是一條蟲呢？

“愛因斯坦也一度曾被看為弱智呢！” 愛因斯坦是否一度曾被看為弱智，真要看看書才知。但是，一個小朋友看上來笨笨的，培正會收。看上來弱智的，培正一定不收。英華却無論如何一定要收(如果他抽中英華的話)。

heiwa

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judy 寫道:
ykwong,

上幾個星期太忙，只間中上來看一看，看到post上來之資料，

Jean

Judy說英小前身是band 3小學，也非說錯。那時的基全學生的升中派位的而且確是等同band 2~3。點都好，英小暫時未有實績，成為津校中dream school只係有"英華"書院名氣頂住，培正就百年老校屬實力派，各有捧場客。無謂令兩校家長勢成水火。

veronica_chan

可以這樣看英華小學嗎?
老師來自基全，
校長來自協恩，
學生來自深水埗及抽籤，
名氣來自龍中英華書院，而有機會吸引各區學生"搬"來.....
這些不同元素會有什麼效果，未知，因太新。
但我相信斷言他是Band 1 or Band 3都一定太早。
斷言他是教改犧牲品都太早(係都等埋喇沙華仁油天齊齊認 )

precious

“……本人覺得任何事都沒有十全十美, 最重要是學校的教學質素是否配合其辦學的理念和目標, 其教學模式是否配合子女, 能否令子女開心愉快地學習, 發掘和發揮他們的優點, 從而使他們能夠於正面自信地成長.”

“….. 所以我認為大家要比較這兩間學校時，應以理性來分析貴子弟適合哪間學校的教學法，和自己的負擔能力(培小是私校)。而不是拘泥於是否名校，或將來是否名校….”

I fully agreed RAMC and Heiwa's comment on school selection criteria.  To understand the school’s teaching philosophies is very important.   Think deeply whether you have the same belief.   Following is an old article and hope this will help some parents to make their decision.

以下是英華校長對教改下沒有收生權而又不轉直資的看法:

2001.11.19 教育的血統觀和麵粉論
── 訪英華書院談有教無類
受訪者：英華書院楊寶坤校長 ■■校董陸輝牧師
訪問者：張文光

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　　「有教無類」這個教育至高的原則和精神，每個教育工作者都當奉為至理。可是，每當要將這個精神，真正落實在教育環節和實況中，不同學校可能有不同的表現。

　　位於九龍塘的英華書院，自從去年春天傳出遷校的消息後，一度引起家長和學生的熱烈反應。由名校區搬至深水

小豬媽媽

英華的學生真是很有福氣, 願神祝福每個英華的孩子.

希望我BB將來可以成為當中的一份子. :wink:

ambrose

Once again, the topic subject does not good enough. XX school VS YY school. Who can answer this question, except they have kids who study in both schools. When we compare two things, they should have similar background and charecteristics. You should set the evaluation criteria: academic result, campus, facilities, teachers quality.....

I found that there are some parents have negative comments on some schools by their reasoning without supporting figures or evidence. Now they look like some political parties which always oppose government policy neglect the fact.

"One dragon" or "One worm"? I don't know, the actual wording should be "Through-train" which means the pressure of primary-secondary can be relieved. In addition, there are many schools lose their automony in central allocation so does it means DSS or private school can win forever? DSS & private schools should find their funding source. It is inevitable that the school fee may be increased. When we compare two schools, their school fee should be considered also. If free-of-charge school earn 80 marks and private school earn 85 marks. Does it justify to pay more for 5 marks more. (Just an example)

crystaltochan

想當初,打出這個topic的家長也袛不過是想征求下各位的意見睇下揀培正好定係英華好....結果引出一場紛爭.

有些家長不是理性的.正面地作出分析.卻是在言語尖酸地評論一間學校."看後大家嘻嘻哈哈的，勝過飯後甜品。""是一條龍還是一條蟲呢？"如果這就是所謂的受過高深教育,這樣的思想也未免太令人失望了.

  

ambrose

Cyrstaltochan,

Agree your point! Anyway, any comment without objective reasoning should be neglected.

crystaltochan

"但是，一個小朋友看上來笨笨的，培正會收。看上來弱智的，培正一定不收。英華却無論如何一定要收(如果他抽中英華的話)。"

唉!真的越看越失望.本來上來是看看各位家長的搜集的資料及分析.

  這位家長要搞清楚........."弱智"的自然會有教育他的特殊學校.而不是胡亂去抽!!!

相信若干年後,英華上下都會感激這些家長的,這些說話將會起到很大的激勵作用. :  :

ambrose

If any parent want to get "useful" and "objective" information, pls ignore the message from JXDX.

SandyKL

事實上英華今年小一統一派位剩餘學額只有數個，但收到4百幾封叩門信，學校都正頭痛如何去揀選。

在這裡常有人對英華小學指指點點，因為她的出生---前身係大角咀基全下午校，似一個灰姑娘，現與王子---英華書院結婚，令許多貪慕虛榮者搥心頓足----大嘆為何是她，渺起咀說根本配不上王子，仲有種八婆心態:睇你地好得幾耐，王子真係冇眼光，都唔知佢點揀，揀件爛燈盞。陣陣酸溜溜的味道。

今天聽港台節目「千禧年代」，主持人周容先生講得好，他說香港有幾個名人都係華仁仔，例如孫名楊、李柱銘，但全香港名校佔學校比例10%、20%度，係唔係讀名校就將來一定掂，而讀其他學校(唔係名校)就唔掂，周容說自己都非讀名校，於是另一主持人梁家永說周容英文水平好係公認，周容回應讀書好睇過人。註:周容曾經是一記者。

另一個英國首相邱吉爾，第二次世界大戰，舉足輕重人物，他幼年患有小兒麻痺症，童年時被老師評為低能兒，還有點自閉，勢估唔到他將來是一名響噹噹人物。

鄧伯伯說的:「不論黑猫、白猫，捉到老鼠就是好猫。」我說:「不論名校、流校，教到學生德、智、體、群、美就係好校。」

VID

SandyKL：

你的比喻貼切到難以形容！不禁令人會心微笑。

SandyKL 寫道:

在這裡常有人對英華小學指指點點，因為她的出生---前身係大角咀基全下午校，似一個灰姑娘，現與王子---英華書院結婚，令許多貪慕虛榮者搥心頓足----大嘆為何是她，渺起咀說根本配不上王子，仲有種八婆心態:睇你地好幾耐，王子真係冇眼光，都唔知佢點揀，揀件爛燈盞。陣陣酸溜溜的味道。

judy

“位於九龍塘的英華書院，自從去年春天傳出遷校的消息後，一度引起家長和學生的熱烈反應。由名校區搬至深水

street

我又係咁橋路過既，我既唔係培正亦唔係英華家長，我來自街坊福利會既，英華？嘩！嘩！嘩！乜英華唔早三年搬來深水浦啊？否則我個仔同D同學仔都抽英華啦！抽到咪唔駛做街坊仔做英華仔囉，間學校又冇街坊福利會中學一條龍直升。

睇完上面，發覺好似冇人炳得入培正，英華就俾人炳到七彩，而邊D係培正家長我就唔知，但培正D校友講既又的確幾中肯同有修養，唔似幫英華講好說話D家長咁爸辣，似潑虎，可能佢地多數來自低下階層有關吧！不如討論英華小學老師Vs培正小學老師仲好啦！

ambrose

Street,

Quote from you:
唔似幫英華講好說話D家長咁爸辣，似潑虎，可能佢地多數來自低下階層有關吧！

Actually, it is not the case. As I know, many parents of Ying Wa are well educated. Don't forget who raise the argument. If Puk Ching parents face the same situation, they may do the same thing.

Your statement looks like JXDX, you're the same person? Don't try to use some ugly namings as the label for others. Pls respect others.

In addition, I don't know what is "低下階層"? For me, I finish university degree and work as executive in a senior position. However I don't think the wordings of parents have direct relationship with his education background. Maybe XUXY may have master degree also. Ha Ha.

木土土

judy 寫道:
的而且确，一個band3的小學生，有甚麽學校好過英華。

Who can guarantee DBSPD小學畢業生(although they can select the student in P1) not band 3, 他也能直升DBS(只要有錢).

   再講, 好多一條龍/聯繫小學 (除了超級名校 e.g. La Salle, DGS, DBS etc..),最top 的學生畢業時也會選擇更勁的中學, 相信培正或英華也不例外, 6年後的事,who know? Who can guarantee DBS still a good school 6 years later ? 所以我認為最緊要係而家間小學攪得好唔好, 但有人斷言英華小學因在深水

ambrose

The argument in this topic become meaningless and destructive. I think some of us lose the temper. Actually, Judy raise his/her considerations. It's fine but the wording is too negative. For me, I have worry about the future of Ying Wa's academic result. But who can determine this at this stage? When summarize all arguments, one point is dormant: No selection right for primary one so the standard will be dropped. But to be fair, other traditional schools face the same problem not only Ying Wa. So I suggest parents open another topic to discuss the issue.