由靈量堂(Causeway Bay)升小學嘅家長,請幫忙.

littlefaith

leehoma001 寫道:
By the way, most of the teachers at LLC only focused on a few students they liked ( note, it was not only my observations but a consolidated observations from the parents of my kid's classmates at LLC).

如果真係咁，你當初有冇同老師反映？如果有，佢哋有乜回應？有乜行動？(因為我幾個同事、朋友啲細路都讀過靈糧堂。佢哋話成日要去學校同老師分享。咁其實應該可以反映到個喎。)

啲同事、朋友嘅仔女，當中亦有比較passive (冇咁受老師歡迎) 的小朋友，但係佢哋都話老師都照顧到，最admire就係好細微嘅嘢佢哋都留意到。

I was lucky to arrange my kid to quit LLC during K2 and my kid had significant progress when he studied at another kinder.  Because of this, some of my kid's classmates also followed us and quited LLC.

可唔可以講吓你個小朋友轉咗邊一間？似乎你個細路入靈糧堂真係完全冇得著。

LONG-B

我相信您是極度要求高之人, 可能我是比較易滿足, 亦體諒老師對小朋友之付出, 所以我的小朋友及我對學校亦感滿意及快樂, 好像您認為我列的是 MEDIUM DS, 但我認為是不錯一樣, 每人的要求不同.

所以我給 Karajan2 的意見是本人對靈糧堂的教學方法感滿意且會令幼童能夠愉快的上學及學習, 亦達到有不錯的效果, 升上小一時亦不會跟不上.  

引文 :
***1. 雖然老師要照顧 AM 及 PM, 但都處理得好好, 只不過老師可能會辛苦一點.***

The teachers are too exhausted in handling those stuff that I mentioned before. If you have other kinder's experience then you may notice the difference.


***2. 每班 3 位老師, 我問隨便一位都會知道我亞仔的個性及能描述亞仔上課時的表現. 有些事情可能會不太清楚, 因為我相信每位老師都會分功, 有不同的崗位, 我與您的感覺不同.***

Of course, all the teachers should know at least some basic characteristics of each student otherwise the teacher should be fired.

By the way, most of the teachers at LLC only focused on a few students they liked ( note, it was not only my observations but a consolidated observations from the parents of my kid's classmates at LLC). It is very common for most of the local schools. However, I feel shame to tell you that it will hardly happen in those international schools.


***3. 第三點我是最不認同, 您覺得小朋友的秩序操行不好 - 如果想她們是小乖乖排隊立正一直線不動, 她們真的做不到. 可能傳統的學校會達到), 但值得我們家長自豪的是 : 當外出活動的時候 (我O個班家長常會攪活動), 反而我地的小朋友是最自律的, 不會玩得太過火, 也會禮讓等. 但我認同地方是細了些.
***

You wrongly interpreted my posting. I didn't mean that 小朋友的秩序操行不好. What I meant during the class observation was that the teachers only focused on a few students sitting close to them and could not or did not care on most of the others who were far away from them. Therefore, those kids had nothing to do but just wandering or watching other groups' activities and they could hardly be benefitted from such activity and learn nothing from it.


***4. 評語給我的小朋友, 確實貼切, 並非您所說的.
***

I had no comment on your point. Maybe your kid was one of the kids that the teacher liked. My comment was based on my own interaction with the teachers as well as the consolidated views from other parents of my kid's classmates.


***您應該是就讀過該校才可說出這麼多的不是, 這樣您小朋友上小學能追得上嗎 ?
***

I was lucky to arrange my kid to quit LLC during K2 and my kid had significant progress when he studied at another kinder. Because of this, some of my kid's classmates also followed us and quited LLC.


***我從 K1 - K3 總共有 10 個左右退學, 我知道的原因是 :
有 5 位左右去O左國際學校, 有 2 位去了 ST. JOSEPH (因為ST. JOSEPH 沒有 K1), 有 2 位因為小朋友的問題 (醫生評為過度活躍症等), 其他我就不知道.
***

I don't know the exact number of kids quitting LLC. For my kid's class, no one quit at K1 but starting from K2, and K3, I knew at least 4 to 5 in my kid's class only (including my kid) quited. I believe the total number including am and pm class will surely exceed 10.

***我o個班同學今年自行報直資或私學的結果都 OK, 我知道的是 : 有 2 個入了 ST. PAUL BOY'S, 真光 (有報的全中), 有 2 個入港大同學會, 聖士提反 (赤柱), 優才, 真道, 音小等等都會好幾個 OK. ***

I have a high expectation on LLC before I let my kid joining LLC and I don't satisfy even for the results of your kid's class. All the schools you mentioned were just medium DS or private primary.

My kid's classmates even did not have similar results of your kid's. Only a few of them successfully admitted at the first round for those medium DS or private primary. Of course, at the end, more of them were admitted to those medium DS or private primary when those top students quited their offers from those medium DS or private and entered those top DS or private primary.

ATParents

flower99 寫道:
我有親人在這校任教,圍內有子女的老師都不會給自己子女選讀這校,因為太著重活動教學,但學術程度和其他學校依然差很遠,上小學後會都比較辛苦,但論名氣這確是間很出名的學校,因此每年依然有大批家長為子女報考.
....

我是鑽石山分校學生的家長，據我所知，最少有兩位老師的兒女正在鑽石山靈糧上學，一位在K1入讀，另一位在 K2從他校轉過來，以往都有不少靈糧老師的孩子入讀靈糧。各人的看法不盡相同，有些靈糧老師是喜歡自己的子女在靈糧上學的。

littlefaith

leehoma001，

我之前有比較過幾間幼稚園 ，因為同個女上過，當中有市儈同冷漠嘅 (如某集團的幼稚園)，亦有好好但好貴嘅 (如某國際學校幼稚園)，基於自己都係睇到個女暫時响靈糧堂得著最大同最開心，所以揀呢一間。(我個女比較passive，亦算係最易被老師忽略嘅小朋友 -- 因為之前幾間幼稚園都係咁。)

不過，我對其他未接觸過嘅幼稚園唔係好熟，有如井底之蛙，所以先想知道你哋啲細路後來轉咗去邊間？响邊方面有長足進步？Creativity? Communication Skill? Academic Standard? Number of Chinese / English vocabularies learnt?

你俾靈糧堂6分，係憑個人經驗，還是有一個Marking Scheme呢？想知道你俾其他幼稚園，包括你同你朋友嘅仔女嘅幼稚園幾多分？想作一個參考，可以嗎？

There is no point to talk to the teachers that why they only focus on a few students.

點解no point? 啲老師好冷漠，唔聽得家長嘅意見嗎？

想知多一啲。

Kbaby

yes, LLC may not be as good as St. Cax, CXKG in academic (e.g. dictation, as they don't have), but as I've observed my friend's son and his classmates, LLC has given a very good training in problem solving skills, logic and creative thinking. The kids from LLC are very smart indeed. That's I believe it is more important than dictation at this stage. of course every parent has their own view and decision. the most important thing is the kid and his/her parents are happy!!   

Becky

My boy is studying K3 now, before joining LLC, he studied N1 in Victoria Harbour Height.

It's true that LLC don't have lots of homework and they don't "push" students from academic point of view.  It's true that students from LLC won't be able to write as many words as St. Catherine students. (Doesn't mean that LLC students know fewer things than St. C's students!)  Yet, as Kbay says, does it matter?  Education is talking about 18 years, I think it's totally alright to play hard during the first 3 years in Kindergarten, still have 15 years to go...

I'm happy with LLC and I'm glad I pick this Kinder for my son, if I need to choose again, I still pick LLC.  Of course, it also depends on the personalities of your child.  Like my niece, who is graduate of St.Catherine, LLC won't be a good choice for her because she seldom reads book herself, she need to be "pushed" to do it, "duck feeding style" may be a better choice for her.

There are a few parents disappointed by LLC, they complain that their kids learn nothing from the school.  Much easier syllabus than most famous Kindergartens, to certain extent I agree with that but it doesn't really matter to me.  I guess, because I'm happy with my son's academic development - he is able to read stage 9+ oxford reading tree story books, able to do addition / subtraction in any digits (regroup if necessary).  I don't see any problem at all, a child's education depends on lot of things     

According to my experience, LLC teachers are more caring with more devotion to their jobs (comparing to teachers of Victoria).  LLC provides 4-5 visits / picnics for students every year, lot of fun for kids.  1-2 kinds of homework for K3 students, just 1-2 pages of writing, can be finished within 10 minutes.  Not much burden, some homework requiring parents' assistance can take long time to finish it but if you really don't have time to get it done on time, no pressure from the teachers, I always fail to submit "big projects" but my boy never be "punished" as far as I know   

Karajan2

leehoma001,

SPK= St. Paul Kindergarten located at cwb
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Becky / Kaby and some of mami are right.  It depends on what you need to give your kid and find the one that is suitable for your kid to study 3 years in kinder.   

One thing I love LLC is their "reading plan". It can help the kids developing a good habit right from the kinder.  

artoo

朋友的女兒在跑馬地聖保祿就讀,佢話很多靈糧堂的學生考入了這個學校,而在班裡面成績排頭的很多是LLC的學生,反之SPK的學生也不及她們.

Karajan2 寫道:
leehoma001,

SPK= St. Paul Kindergarten located at cwb
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Becky / Kaby and some of mami are right.  It depends on what you need to give your kid and find the one that is suitable for your kid to study 3 years in kinder.   

One thing I love LLC is their "reading plan". It can help the kids developing a good habit right from the kinder.  

DMelody

My ranking is
1.  SPK, of course
2.  LLC
3.  真光
4.  蘇浙
5.  Victoria

My son studied in LLC for K1 and then transferred to SJK for K2.  He told me that he was very very happy when studying in LLC.

Karajan2 寫道:
leehoma001,

Thanks for your detailed information!  Was your kid graduated from HKLLC as you know so much?

I am still struggling which school is better for my girl. How do you rate for the following kinders.

1.        蘇浙
2.        真光
3.        Victoria Kornhill
4.        SPK (this one is my 1st choice but of course this is the most difficult one to get in)

Is it really Victoria the best one? Do you think the rate of successful applying high quality primary from Victoria is higher than others. Only 10 days left for me to do the research and get comments from friends/BK Mami. Thanks.

vanessamom

leehoma001,

看了多篇你的文章,不禁認同地會心微笑

你的每一點我都體會到亦感受過(特別是第3及4項),所以最後作出了明智的選擇！學校辦學理念相當好,只是有心無力,老師不夠專業！

請問你的兒子是在那一間LLC？

longfung

我都是LLC(DH)的家長, 不明白總要說老師要照顧上下午的學生很忙所以沒時間照顧學生, 難道SC, 根德園...這些名校的老師只是教上午或下午, 不用教兩班? 是的話, 請原諒本人孤陋寡聞!  
現在還有清閒的老師?, 在LLC上課前的自由活動, 每一區都有老師駐守看顧學生, 並沒有忙自己的工作而疏忽照顧小朋友.
LLC的老師比例不算差, 1:10都是收$2500的學費; 的確是會有助教, 不過囝囝在K.2時是3個老師1個助教, 總共是4個老師!
至於守秩序的問題, 最起碼當靈糧校歌響起時, 99%的小朋友都會自動放下手上的玩具去集會, 這已是一個很好的秩序證明!
任何一間學校(由幼稚園到大學)都有人退學, 有何特別?相信大家在小學雜談裏面都見得不少, 有人將A校視為天堂, 亦有人視為地獄, 所以有人退學亦不用大做文章, 我總不相信各大頂級名校就完全沒人退學!
LLC的確是一間令人很矛盾的學校, 因為功課實在太淺, 尤其是當你見到別個小孩已經在K.1開始寫字做功課, 但自已的小朋友仍在胡胡混混時真的很擔心, 正如校長所說要相信學校, 小朋友在K3畢業時在學術上要學的一定學會, 他們是重質不重量! 兩年前我同學的囡囡在LLC畢業入了瑪利曼, 我都有問她會否讀得很辛苦, 她都說沒問題, 雖然這是個別例子, 但升小一的適應期絕大部份的小朋友都需要, 不見得LLC的學生特別差, 反而我聽過很多人說LLC的學生適應力強, 很快就能適應.
靈糧的教學方針一直沒變, 只不過有些不瞭解學校的路向而人讀我讀的家長, 入了靈糧之後才知道及不能接受, 所以學校一向都對那些由學生介紹的申請者優先取錄, 原因就是希望這些家長是知道LLC的教學方針, 而不用發生入了才後悔及埋怨.
每個人心裏都有不同的指標, 如果10分滿分, 做家長的我會給LLC 7分, 但作為學生的, 我相信囝囝會給10分, 因為學校真的帶給孩子一個快樂的童年, 愉快學習, 而學校培養他對學習的態度及對老師的愛戴, 相信他會一生受用.
還有一件小事就能知道LLC的學生對學校的感情及如何培養學生 - 囝囝知道就要升上小學, 離開學校, 他就跟我說, 上了小學之後, 有時間希望我可以帶他回學校做小老師, 照顧K1小朋友, 幫助他們; 本人認為這些比學背乘數表更為重要!!

Kbaby

還有一件小事就能知道LLC的學生對學校的感情及如何培養學生 - 囝囝知道就要升上小學, 離開學校, 他就跟我說, 上了小學之後, 有時間希望我可以帶他回學校做小老師, 照顧K1小朋友, 幫助他們; 本人認為這些比學背乘數表更為重要!!


      

yuyumama

My daughter also studied in LLC. She is now studying in APS. Her performance in primary school is satisfactory, both to us parents and teachers. She loves LLC very much.

Frankly, I am not concerned on the approach in teaching: so-called 'activity approach' or 'traditional approach'. A good school, no matter it is a kindergarten; primary or secondary, should help students develop reading habit, arouse students' interest in study, teach them what is right and wrong, and most important of all, love the students.
Based on the above considerations, I'm satisfied with LLC and APS.

Ms.ChanChan

vanessamom 寫道:
leehoma001,

看了多篇你的文章,不禁認同地會心微笑

你的每一點我都體會到亦感受過(特別是第3及4項),所以最後作出了明智的選擇！學校辦學理念相當好,只是有心無力,老師不夠專業！

請問你的兒子是在那一間LLC？

vanessamom，

可能你女兒當年不幸遇著一個不符合你標準的老師，但若評價所有老師都不夠專業的話，我是十分有保留的。


各位，

小女在靈糧堂(銅鑼灣)畢業多年，我對學校的認識可能已經落伍，不過我和女兒對母校感情依然深厚。 女兒現就讀一間有些家長也許會把她列為"二線"的小學(但亦有很多人視之為云云傳統名校之一)，成績尚算可以，由於自少受薰陶而愛閱讀愛上學，過去四年僥倖有三年在校獲取成績優異獎。

各位llc家長，加油!

991129

longfung,

Thanks for your sharing and I totally agree with you.  My son is sttudying K2 at DHLLC and I do hope that he can still enjoy the happy school life continually     

I always feel that the things that he has learnt are out of my expectation....

LONG-B

非常同意, 我亞仔也非常愛學校, 也希望上小學後, 有學校假期也會回校做 "小老師" 幫手.
(小老師是幫老師手做一些服務)

  

longfung 寫道:
我都是LLC(DH)的家長, 不明白總要說老師要照顧上下午的學生很忙所以沒時間照顧學生, 難道SC, 根德園...這些名校的老師只是教上午或下午, 不用教兩班? 是的話, 請原諒本人孤陋寡聞!  
現在還有清閒的老師?, 在LLC上課前的自由活動, 每一區都有老師駐守看顧學生, 並沒有忙自己的工作而疏忽照顧小朋友.
LLC的老師比例不算差, 1:10都是收$2500的學費; 的確是會有助教, 不過囝囝在K.2時是3個老師1個助教, 總共是4個老師!
至於守秩序的問題, 最起碼當靈糧校歌響起時, 99%的小朋友都會自動放下手上的玩具去集會, 這已是一個很好的秩序證明!
任何一間學校(由幼稚園到大學)都有人退學, 有何特別?相信大家在小學雜談裏面都見得不少, 有人將A校視為天堂, 亦有人視為地獄, 所以有人退學亦不用大做文章, 我總不相信各大頂級名校就完全沒人退學!
LLC的確是一間令人很矛盾的學校, 因為功課實在太淺, 尤其是當你見到別個小孩已經在K.1開始寫字做功課, 但自已的小朋友仍在胡胡混混時真的很擔心, 正如校長所說要相信學校, 小朋友在K3畢業時在學術上要學的一定學會, 他們是重質不重量! 兩年前我同學的囡囡在LLC畢業入了瑪利曼, 我都有問她會否讀得很辛苦, 她都說沒問題, 雖然這是個別例子, 但升小一的適應期絕大部份的小朋友都需要, 不見得LLC的學生特別差, 反而我聽過很多人說LLC的學生適應力強, 很快就能適應.
靈糧的教學方針一直沒變, 只不過有些不瞭解學校的路向而人讀我讀的家長, 入了靈糧之後才知道及不能接受, 所以學校一向都對那些由學生介紹的申請者優先取錄, 原因就是希望這些家長是知道LLC的教學方針, 而不用發生入了才後悔及埋怨.
每個人心裏都有不同的指標, 如果10分滿分, 做家長的我會給LLC 7分, 但作為學生的, 我相信囝囝會給10分, 因為學校真的帶給孩子一個快樂的童年, 愉快學習, 而學校培養他對學習的態度及對老師的愛戴, 相信他會一生受用.
還有一件小事就能知道LLC的學生對學校的感情及如何培養學生 - 囝囝知道就要升上小學, 離開學校, 他就跟我說, 上了小學之後, 有時間希望我可以帶他回學校做小老師, 照顧K1小朋友, 幫助他們; 本人認為這些比學背乘數表更為重要!!

JoeKing

我女兒今年 LLC (DH) 畢業, 目前在一間也算是不少家長心目中的 dream school 就讀, 成績 ok, 仍維持良好的閱讀習慣, 不用我太費心.
畢業至今, 班上的家長及同學仍保持連絡, 最近的兩次聚會中, 大家談及升小一的生活, 發現大部份也都適應良好, 當然, 也有個別一兩個小朋友不喜歡小一生活, 原因是功課太多、老師太凶...
小女雖然喜愛現在的小學生活, 但對靈糧的校園及老師們也念念不忘, 只要小學放假, 她都希望能回靈糧當小老師.
女兒讀鑽石山靈糧三年, k1, k2 的學習多分3組, 師生比例是 1:9 左右, k3 似乎是只分兩組, 師生比例約 1:14. 三年中, 女兒班沒有人退學或轉學.
上課的情況如何? 不談每年一次的觀課, 透過幾乎每星期都更新的內聯網校園相簿, 家長可看到小朋友的學習情況, 有沒有小朋友不專心、他們對學習感不感興趣、大致怎樣上課, 其實一目瞭然.
從 k1 讀到 k3, 我只見到靈糧不斷地求進步, phonics、體育改為專科專教, 閱讀計畫也不斷改善中, 但重品德教育、不催谷填鴨的靈糧精神依然不變.
愛課程深、有默背考試的家長或教師, 自然不會選靈糧, 每個人心中對教育的看法不同, 絕對沒問題. 我只知前 HKUGA 校長的孩子, 還有不少教育界高層人士及教師的孩子都讀靈糧, 舉這例子其實沒大意義, 只是對有人提的論調提出反證.