怎樣先叫做是一個好的綱琴老師?

helenli

就算你有咁o既資歷, 都無必要踩低別人, 抬高自己, 無music degree唔代表唔係好老師!

sin

mable1124
我那位老師姓蔡,希望同你那位一樣,她真是很好人.

RedHeart

Jenny51:

I know 2 musical professors of different university, but they are not good in teaching piano playing.  I think the experience is the key factor of piano teaching.   Would you mind to tell us your teaching experience?

mable1124

Hi sin,

我個老師都是姓蔡, 可能我們的仔女是師兄姊弟妹。

        

magic

sin,

Hi!  Please pm me the details of the teacher.

Tks a lot!

小孩子的天空

Jenny:

瀏覽過你的website，你五歲已入APA的初級課程，你是跟那位老師呀?(Miss Wong? Mr. Kwok? Miss Law? Mr. Choi)   但為什麼不在APA讀下去?  最後會在浸會讀ge?   好奇怪bor.....

Jenny51

Helenli:
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就算你有咁o既資歷, 都無必要踩低別人, 抬高自己, 無music degree唔代表唔係好老師!


Oh... I have no intention of "踩低別人, 抬高自己".  Because, to be honest, why do I have to? since you have already said"就算你有咁o既資歷".  I just wanna point out that a good piano teacher do need to pocess a thorough knowledge of the instrument.

Of course experience is important, but people go to university or academy is NOT for nothing.  We music graduates learn Chinese, Western Music History, Theory analysis, compositional technique, musical style, music education, recording techniques, orchestration.... too many to name.  We have to have a basic grade 8 in the instrument to get in and spend another 3 over years to study the instruments, and give countless performances.  We spend on average 5 hours everyday to practise the instrument.  You really think such knowledge of the instruments and the knowledge of music in general can be gained without going to the university or academy?? (there are always a few exceptions)

I think it's fair to make this conclusion.  A music degree is a basic requirement for a good piano teacher.  What I mean is basic.  On top of that, you need continued studies, continued expansion of your knowledge, a passion to teach, communication skills, experience.... as mentioned in my previous post.  

I also agree that a good performer may not neccessarily be a good teacher, but I think a good teacher must have the ability to demonstrate on the piano up to a high level??

Sorry if anyone find my previous post offending... I really don't mean it... but I still can't understand why people cannot agree that music graduates in general,are no better teachers than a non music graduates...  

Jenny51

I totally agree with your first point, a music grad can easily be amateurish (if they don't keep improving or if they are not passionate about teaching), but not vice versa.  Non music-grad cannot easily be professional unless they work extremely hard on their own but they still do not have (as compare to a music grad) the performance experiences, knowledge of music in general, knowledge of education, e.g. the newest trend in music education/early music education and the knowledge of the music industry.  

Yup, just be wise ;)  

NM 寫道:
The funny thing about music: a music-grad can easily be as amateurish as your so-called "amateur", and a non music-grad can easily be as professional as your so-called "professional".

A wise parent will know better than just rely on labels.


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Jenny51 寫道:
1) Knowledge of the piano technique and the music. This one is relatively easy to tell, e.g. from the qualifications e.g. Bachelor in Music (I would consider this as a basic professional qualification but not those ABRSM amateurish examinations)
2) Character (passionate,kind, nice, patience...), so as to develope a loving relationship with the students.
3) Communication skills (to communicate how to play the piano)
4) Love of music (always go to concerts, competitions, listen to different music)
5) Organization skills (for fees, schedule of lessons, applications for exams and competitions)
6) Knowledge of the music industry (e,g. differente kind of exams, competitions, performance opportunities)
Points to note,
1) grade 8, Dip ABRSM, ATCL are NOT porfessional qualifications.  I have a studnet at P.6 taking grade 8 and another student age 13 taking ATCL recital.  Does it mean that after the exams, they are qualified teachers??  
2) kind, nice characters are important, but that also does not tell that the teacher is professionally equipped.
3) Beginners DO need professoinal teachers to help building a good foundation for future developement!!

Haha.. I'm a highly qualified and experienced piano teacher.  You can visit my personal website : www.geocities.com/lokpiano/bio.html
I always get a bit irritated with those non-qualified teachers. (I am not referring to any particular one here)  Please, dear BK parents!!!! be wise!!! maybe they are cheaper (that's why they are surviving) but don't be fooled.  It takes hundreds of thousands dollars, many years to be a professional piano teacher.  While it only takes slightly more than a thousand to take a grade 8 piano exam.

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Jenny51

Thanks for visiting my website.  Am very happy with the photo shots :)  hehe... don't wanna get my piano teacher involved here but I should have mentioned it on my website... i think..

haha, the answer for the other quesiton is simple.  I want a university degree (Bachelor of Arts) instead of a Bachelar of Music.  

University life is definitely different from an academy life :D

小孩子的天空:瀏覽過你的website，你五歲已入APA的初級課程，你是跟那位老師呀?(Miss Wong? Mr. Kwok? Miss Law? Mr. Choi) 但為什麼不在APA讀下去? 最後會在浸會讀ge?  好奇怪bor.....  

Jenny51

Please refer to my other post, experience is important.  but there are things that one cannot learn solely on his/her own experience.

I am not sure about how to tell you about my teaching experience.

I have been teaching privately for 5+ years (after I have obtained my Advance cert ABRSM in 1997 and my LRSM in 2001).

Besides my own teaching experience (my piano students score distinction in graded exams and had won champions in the school music festival), I took piano performance and pedagogy as my major in university.  From the course I was taught how to teach different style interpretation, method of practice, psychology of performance...etc  I have one of the best piano teaching diploma LRAM from which course I have learnt different strategies to keep my students engaged througout the lesson (esp the young kids), to motivate my students and many practical things, like how to teach aural, sightreading...etc.  

If you want more info, you can pm me?  or I will be like selling myself...which is a bit weird... I just want to tell the BK parents to be wise in choosing piano teacher.. ;)

RedHeart 寫道:
Jenny51:

I know 2 musical professors of different university, but they are not good in teaching piano playing.  I think the experience is the key factor of piano teaching.   Would you mind to tell us your teaching experience?

  

NM

NM

NM

Jenny51 寫道:
I totally agree with your first point, a music grad can easily be amateurish (if they don't keep improving or if they are not passionate about teaching), but not vice versa.  Non music-grad cannot easily be professional unless they work extremely hard on their own but they still do not have (as compare to a music grad) the performance experiences, knowledge of music in general, knowledge of education, e.g. the newest trend in music education/early music education and the knowledge of the music industry.  

Yup, just be wise ;)  

One needs not to be a music student/graduate these days to easily obtain performance experiences, knowledge of music in general, knowledge of education, e.g. the newest trend in music education/early music education and the knowledge of the music industry.
Especially your so-called "newest" trend - it all depends on self study and motivation because once you're out of school, your "newest" is already the oldest.

Yes, a good piano teacher do need to posses a thorough knowledge of the instrument, but music school is not the only place to have such knowledge available. Anyone who has given this matter some thoughts will know that schooling, even music school, only teaches you the discipline of the subject in the most compact way. Everything beyond that depends on yourself.

Sorry if anyone find my previous post offending... I really don't mean it... but I still can't understand why people cannot agree that music graduates in general,are no better teachers than a non music graduates

By saying that, you mean music graduates are no better than non-music grads?    I don't think anyone here is saying that, or vice versa.

And 5 years+ can be called "high experienced" and "highly qualified"? Yes, be wise, stop generalizing and labelling, and open your eyes and your mind. Good music comes from within, not from a few pieces of beautifully engraved parchments.

Jenny51

I think it's a linguistic misunderstanding.  Just one last time, my post just wanna express my view and my suggestion on 怎樣先叫做是一個好的綱琴老師? and nothing else.  My post just represent a view from myself, as an experienced and qualified piano teacher.

I have no doubt at all in my qualifications and experience.

NM 寫道:
[quote]
Sorry if anyone find my previous post offending... I really don't mean it... but I still can't understand why people cannot agree that music graduates in general,are no better teachers than a non music graduates

By saying that, you mean music graduates are no better than non-music grads?    I don't think anyone here is saying that, or vice versa.

And 5 years+ can be called "high experienced" and "highly qualified"? Yes, be wise, stop generalizing and labelling, and open your eyes and your mind. Good music comes from within, not from a few pieces of beautifully engraved parchments.[/quote]

RedHeart

Hi Jenny51:

According to so many feedback (are not good feedback), one of your point...kind, nice characters are important, I think it is so difficult to fuflfil that requirement to you.  But I also think that you don't care of it, right?

Jenny51

Redheart, Of course I care, that's why I am responding to each and every feedback.  I apologize if I had offended anyone.  I have to admit that I may be qualified and experienced in piano teaching and performing but I do not pocess much good social skills.   

My intention for posting here, was just, and simply just, as I have mentioned, to suggest how to choose a good piano teacher.  I just wanna share with all BK moms my knowledge and ideas.  But I must have said something wrong...  I will learn from my mistakes and will try to think better before I say next time.

Sorry, please forgive my rudeness... everyone!!!  

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RedHeart 寫道:
Hi Jenny51:

According to so many feedback (are not good feedback), one of your point...kind, nice characters are important, I think it is so difficult to fuflfil that requirement to you.  But I also think that you don't care of it, right? [/quote]

NM

Jenny51 寫道:
Redheart, Of course I care, that's why I am responding to each and every feedback.  I apologize if I had offended anyone.  I have to admit that I may be qualified and experienced in piano teaching and performing but I do not pocess much good social skills.   

My intention for posting here, was just, and simply just, as I have mentioned, to suggest how to choose a good piano teacher.  I just wanna share with all BK moms my knowledge and ideas.  But I must have said something wrong...  I will learn from my mistakes and will try to think better before I say next time.

Sorry, please forgive my rudeness... everyone!!!  

If you don't have the appropriate social skills as you have said, how could you communicate effectively to students and parents - doesn't that contradict to your "rules" of a good teacher?

Doesn't matter no more I guess, as you have already achieved your goal here.

helenli

lumlum_mum

actually, in my opinon, teacher over 10 years is experienced, 5 years teaching experienced is just a fresh teacher je. besides, i think the character of teacher is really important, my kid's teacher is also a university degree holder and studying master tim la, but she is generious and never 好似佢咁大口氣.讀degree重要, 好的綱琴老師我覺得有修養都好重要.  

happy07baby

Dear mable1124,

Can you PM the contact of your piano teacher to me?

my e-mail adress:
   [email protected]

Thank you very much