入IS可唔可以讀好中文？？定係先入Local School然後轉IS?

beastiebistro

Radiomama 發表於 23-10-27 11:01
「有些」小朋友和家長在local school 一樣可以無憂無慮、愉快地學習的；我所指的「勝利組」就係這意思。
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local school = 缺少快樂童年，太過非黑即白喇...

mandy_ng207

樂見高手分享，唔同小朋友嘅成長經歷大概可給樓主一些insight
但我始終關心的是first language的問題
樓主所寫「有冇邊間reputable IS 係可以讀到小朋友中文水平等同其他average/above-average 嘅local school 小學生一樣（當小六年級計）？」
係咪有些自相矛盾？
像Radiomama的孩子到了高中都係中文native/near native group，中文能力不會太差，但係應該未去到「等同其他average/above-average 嘅local school」，而且孩子first language明顯是英文，中文考完試就「唔再掂」了。
選local school係以Chinese as first language作目標
選IS係以English as first language作目標
我有無理解錯？
至於有無學校真係可以做到double first-language？我諗就算學校有咁嘅課程，都要小朋友好有天分才可以。

beastiebistro

mandy_ng207 發表於 23-10-27 14:15
樂見高手分享，唔同小朋友嘅成長經歷大概可給樓主一些insight
但我始終關心的是first language的問題
樓主 ...

都唔一定。我小朋友肯定係英文比中文強（講緊喺local school讀緊嘅時候），好多時playground language都係英文（或者中英夾雜偏英）。

你問我，如果一定要定義，我啲小朋友係英文first language，但係中文程度係足夠睇報紙／雜誌／小說。雖然去晒英國寄宿，但係返嚟香港都會買少量中文書帶過去睇。

老實講，我自己都係讀完local school，中二去咗英國寄宿十年。其實我會話我自己都係英文比中文強，你睇我留言會唔會話我中文係second language呢？

我認為小朋友最後咩係first language係睇家庭教育，或者邊間local school都有啲關係。

Radiomama

beastiebistro 發表於 23-10-27 14:52
都唔一定。我小朋友肯定係英文比中文強（講緊喺local school讀緊嘅時候），好多時playground language都係 ...

除咗家庭教育、學校質素會影響一個小朋友的中文/英文能力外，孩子自身的興趣和天份也有影響。

我的孩子對語文學習是零興趣，所以完成中學階段的中文已經是達到目標，使用與否是佢未來的發展需要，我不管了。至於英語，是他的日常、學習、社交需要，所以絕對冇問題。

你的大孩子語言能力超強，所以學那種語言均得心應手，我會評為可遇不可求，絕對是勝利組之中「天才」的那一位。

其他家長在要求子女達到雙語，甚至三語的目標時，也應該客觀地分析孩子的能力，有時不只是看學校因素。

beastiebistro

Radiomama 發表於 23-10-27 15:48
除咗家庭教育、學校質素會影響一個小朋友的中文/英文能力外，孩子自身的興趣和天份也有影響。

我的孩子對 ...

啱嘅。我講大仔講得多啲，兩個女唔係阿哥嗰仲人。不過起碼啲女都睇得掂報紙/雜誌，買中文書拎返去英國都包括佢哋㗎。
我就係知道佢地唔係阿哥嘅料子，所以我對佢地local school成績平常心。中游已經好滿意，亦冇補習，所以佢地童年都係快樂渡過。

有時讀local school變得唔快樂源自家長嘅要求。只要可以睇開，接受成績唔一定要頂級，其實咩學校都可以愉快。

我非常同意家長應該因應小朋友能力，客觀地去制定合理期望/目標。

kooliestgirl

beastiebistro 發表於 23-10-27 11:19
local school = 缺少快樂童年，太過非黑即白喇...

同意，我小朋友讀local school 的幾年都過得很開心，不過可能主因係父母比較佛系

ynwa97

Thanks for all the insightful comments!


On balance, after reading your posts and some further research I'm leaning more towards IS schools with slightly stronger Chinese teaching.


LS just seems too demanding on the child at such a young age academically that they may not get to fully enjoy it (assuming the kid is actually able to get into a 神校 or a semi-decent LS in the first place...).


Onto the practical side of things, regarding CIS/CDNIS/ISF/SIS:


What are the chances of an average kid (with good English) getting into these schools without a debenture/capital note or sibling or alumni status?


I've also heard some pretty negative things about ISF KG - what are people's thoughts?

964000

Radiomama 發表於 23-10-27 11:01
「有些」小朋友和家長在local school 一樣可以無憂無慮、愉快地學習的；我所指的「勝利組」就係這意思。
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964000

ynwa97 發表於 23-10-30 22:06
Thanks for all the insightful comments!

Good thinking.
For ISF its vibe is more local school than IS, it’s popular among mainlanders due to its high Chinese level and it’s getting more difficult to get in now because of the 高才通influx. However its Chinese level hence efforts demanded is probably too high for your expectation. I knew at least 3 kids who left ISF because of the stress esp in Chinese.
The chance for a kid with good English and foreign passport to get into CDNIS is pretty high, for SIS and CIS you will need a bit of mandarin.  The other to consider is VSA, but probably need to get into Vic kinder first to get priority. As a back up you may consider KCIS which teach high level of Chinese too. At the end it’s still the kid’s interest and family language predisposition to determine the outcome of Chinese learning.

Moonlight819

964000 發表於 23-10-31 09:15
本帖最後由 964000 於 23-10-31 09:51 編輯

同意，很多小朋友在LS也有愉快的童年。

其實我之前所指的也是這樣，不是說LS －定沒有快樂童年，但IS的教育理念和過程始終和LS分別很大，例如在小息可以自由各自選擇玩自己喜歡的球類活動，午餐到學校cafeteria 選擇自己喜歡即時整的餐（不是LS已安排的ABCD餐），很多時邀請圖書作者為同學解說圖書，最近小朋友學校邀請了草間彌生帶埋真跡過來給同學參觀解說，全校大型的Halloweenparty 等，除了幼稚園，－般傳統的中、小學也較為少舉行；PE堂有游泳堂，音樂堂也不是只唱歌，每人可選自己喜歡的銅管或木管等樂器有教師教導，還可以免費借樂器在家練習，中學也少功課，沒有測考，但識的字和東西比我這個讀完大學的人還多，細個讀LS的我有時也想如果當年我也可以讀IS就好了！

964000

Moonlight819 發表於 23-10-31 11:51
本帖最後由 Moonlight819 於 23-10-31 12:27 編輯

其實我之前所指的也是這樣，不是說LS －定沒有快樂童 ...

beastiebistro

964000 發表於 23-10-31 09:15
本帖最後由 964000 於 23-10-31 09:51 編輯

同意，很多小朋友在LS也有愉快的童年。

先講清楚我唔係嚟IS呢邊踩場，亦冇講過IS唔好。只係睇見有家長心目中嘅舖排同我現實做咗嘅嘢不約而同，（而我對我哋家庭選擇亦非常滿意）所以分享下經驗啫。

With all due respect，覺得爸爸就唔知小朋友喺學校做咩，或者對小朋友教育問題冇咁上心，就絕對係膚淺嘅睇法。我作為父親，喺育兒路上付出嘅時間心力同埋投入程度可能好多媽媽都比唔上。

真正知道我背景嘅，就會明白我其實好清楚IS同LS學校嘅運作情況，我選擇LS係with my eyes wide open，完全唔係冇玩過就唔知嘅狀態。不過我唔係嚟撩交打，講完就算數。

最後補充，唔同小朋友／唔同家庭有唔同需要／唔同考慮。有啲可能適合IS教育，有啲可能需要LS教育。喺呢邊嘅家長可能唔係咁接受到兩種（IS或者LS）都可以提供到好嘅愉快嘅教育，which is fine。

964000

beastiebistro 發表於 23-10-31 14:46
先講清楚我唔係嚟IS呢邊踩場，亦冇講過IS唔好。只係睇見有家長心目中嘅舖排同我現實做咗嘅嘢不約而同，（而 ...

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Erminator

ynwa97 發表於 23-10-30 22:06
Thanks for all the insightful comments!

What have you heard about ISF Kindy?  Quite interested to learn more as I hear some parents prefer sending kids to the Academy without going thru its kindy.  My neighbour's kids also go to ISF Kindy, so far his comment has been quite positive.  But as others have mentioned, the school has quite some local school element, but overall teaching approach is quite IS, may be like CKY but more IS vibe.  
Despite it is getting more difficult to get in now, it shouldn't affect local family much as the school seems to have certain split among PTH, Eng and Cantonese speaking family.  

yianleen

成日以為讀local school就係悲慘人生, 實際上唔一定呀。
我地讀完國際幼稚園之後讀local school, 因為國際學校學生既中文完全唔得, 唔係教學問題, 而係成個氣氛、同學、環境係令小朋友唔會鐘意中文, 所以決心叫佢地由頭學起, 一個個中文字、成語逐個記。

如果唔打算移民, 長住香港, 睇唔到小朋友可以點樣避開中文。
從小就放棄認真學中文, 長大後搵工所有written test都過唔到, 害左佢。

yianleen

回覆 beastiebistro 的帖子

你揀果條路我都好認同呀!

Cusausa

其實香港有好幾家着重中文既國際學校/PIS，我見學生既中文唔一定比個本地學校弱，好睇屋企(同學校)擺幾多心機/資源落去… 不過都係echo大家既講法，各個家庭有唔同嘅需要黎決定啦 :)

7jai

yianleen 發表於 23-11-8 11:22
成日以為讀local school就係悲慘人生, 實際上唔一定呀。
我地讀完國際幼稚園之後讀local school, 因為國際 ...

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yianleen

回覆 7jai 的帖子

I think you're missing the point. The question in this thread is "Does attending IS help children master Chinese well". It's not comparing the pros and cons of learning at IS vs. local schools.

So, I just want to say that learning Chinese at IS is totally ineffective because the environment does not enable them to speak/write/learn/use/understand Chinese well. 緣木求魚。

Even for my close friends whose kids go to CIS and ISF, I have never heard them speak Chinese or read Chinese books. Just by observations.

grace_2022

beastiebistro 發表於 23-10-26 10:45
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