4所國際學校 非本地生比例未達標

poonseelai

https://www.inmediahk.net/node/% ... F%E5%85%A5%E8%AE%80

"【獨媒報導】香港出生率不足加上移民潮，適齡學生數字下跌而導致部分小學面臨殺校。立法會特別財委會上，教育界朱國強稱部分國際學校違反規定超額收取本地生，「間接造成縮班殺校」，要求仿效內地做法，限制本地生入讀國際學校。教育局長蔡若蓮指不應簡化問題，即使限制本地生讀本港國際學校，「是否會返公營系統呢？」她認為有機會將學生迫到鄰近國家，或大灣區的國際學校，不利香港吸引人才"

mandy_ng207

964000 發表於 23-4-17 17:26
ESF won’t suffer too much, just 5% shortage should be filled up easily.
Second/third tiers IS shou ...

But the campuses of “private schools” are not comparable to those who obtained a rather large piece of land from the government at a cheap rent. New IS like Malvern, CAIS (butterfly valley campus) should be among those. However these are the ones that have to sign contract with the government.
ESF is really value for money, and the competition for local passport holders will be really keen from now on.

964000

mandy_ng207 發表於 23-4-17 19:02
But the campuses of “private schools” are not comparable to those who obtained a rather large pie ...

Back in 10 years ago, there was a real shortage of IS spots for expats, I remembered it’s been explored on新聞透視, the government hence has approved a lot of new IS, including Harrow.
However it ends up in super expensive school fees which many expats can’t afford, especially the hefty debentures, and probably has overdone with too much supply. I think it won’t happen anymore.

jennyp

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根據財委會文件，在2020/21學年，國際學校超收本地生的比例由31.2%%至89.2%不等，當中，宣道會劉平齋紀念國際學校的本地生佔比最高，148個學生之中，有132個是本地生，佔比達89.2%；其次是京斯敦國際學校，261個學生中有77.8%是本地生；第三是耀中國際學校，959個學生中有71.8%是本地生，三間學校的國際生人數只介乎約三成至一成左右。

原文網址: 國際學校逾半超收本地生　宣道會劉平齋近九成為本地生 | 香港01 https://www.hk01.com/article/612 ... articlecopy&utm_medium=referral

這是上兩個學年的數據

kooliestgirl

jennyp 發表於 23-4-17 22:10
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根據財委會文件，在2020/21學年，國際學校超收本地生的比例由31.2%%至89.2%不等 ...

知唔知邊度有官方數據睇?

simonchan1986

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wow almost 90%...
but I wonder if the government is ok with many of these schools with such high % of local students, why would they bother other schools with slight deviation from the agreed % of non-local students..

dem0cracy

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Data on local/non-local % of all international schools used to be published upon queries from legislators. But somehow the data have not been released these two years (probably because the legislators haven't asked, or have asked questions differently). The latest released data is from 2021/22:
https://www.edb.gov.hk/attachment/en/about-edb/press/legco/replies-to-fc/21-22-w-edb-e.pdf

(p.450-454)

dem0cracy

shelbylks28 發表於 23-4-17 10:44
知唔知另外係邊3間

教育局冇直接點名，但就有講邊16間國際學校自2006年來獲分配校舍(因而subject to specific quotas)：

ASHK
Carmel
CAIS
FIS - Chai Wan
FIS - TKO
GSIS - PFL
Harrow
HKA
ICHK
Kellett - Kowloon Bay
Malvern
NAIS - Lam Tin
SIS
Shrewsbury
Harbour School
IMS

對照番早幾年的收生比例，可以大概估到邊幾間比較難meet quota。

dem0cracy

simonchan1986 發表於 23-4-18 07:54
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wow almost 90%...

要收一定%非本地生的規定，其實只有ESF及“2006年起參與校舍分配工作，獲政府提供空置校舍/土地的國際學校”才須遵守。


新聞提到的劉平齋、Kingston不在此限。

simonchan1986

I see, but at least, to be an international school, shouldn't it have at least 50% non-local students? or just the provision of non-local curriculum will enable them to be named international school?

mandy_ng207

simonchan1986 發表於 23-4-18 09:55
I see, but at least, to be an international school, shouldn't it have at least 50% non-local student ...

There are many “international” kindergartens out there offering local curriculum. A name doesn’t mean anything. The ESF schools don’t even bear the word “international”.
However, a service agreement with EDB is important for a school, if the school cannot comply, EDB has the right to take further action which may affect the actual operation of the school.

mandy_ng207

dem0cracy 發表於 23-4-18 09:20
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Data on local/non-local % of all international schools used to be publishe ...

Thank you for the detailed information!

kytso

simonchan1986 發表於 23-4-18 09:55
I see, but at least, to be an international school, shouldn't it have at least 50% non-local student ...

It really depends on the agreements with the government when the schools were granted lands or premises from the government.  Those long established IS may not even have such ratio restrictions.  

kytso

mandy_ng207 發表於 23-4-18 10:14
There are many “international” kindergartens out there offering local curriculum. A name doesn’t ...

Query if the government will revoke a license of an international school?  This sends a very bad message to the society, at least not consistent with what the government has been saying - to retain talents.  

simonchan1986

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You are right, the name could be misleading...

simonchan1986

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I think some of the schools are facing demand problems (i.e. no much non-local application in the first place), if there were expats applying, am sure they will be willing to take...but if you were an expat, will you pick ESF/Kellett/CDNIS etc. or LPC/YC?

simonchan1986

I have a feeling despite the government claim that some IS should have at least 70% non-local, as long as there are no complaints from expats, they do not really care... Even if ESF failed 2 years, they just keep sending them "remainders"..
In the end, most of the IS charge full tuition and do not get any support from the government, so the government can reduce their spending on education a bit (especially now with budget deficit I assume each department will need to cut costs)...You can compare the "mercy" they have on the international school that does not require any support to the "ruthlessness" to the local school in Cheung Chau (no P1 class because of deficit of 1 student)...

mandy_ng207

simonchan1986 發表於 23-4-18 10:43
I have a feeling despite the government claim that some IS should have at least 70% non-local, as lo ...

That’s what the EDB official means in her speech. She doesn’t care whether local schools will be closed down, but the offer of IS places to locals is a way to retain talent (and income tax for the government).
However it couldn’t go too extreme on local percentage as it may raise suspicion that HK students are escaping from the local curriculum (which is true) because of its failure. Someone will be unhappy about this.

mandy_ng207

kytso 發表於 23-4-18 10:26
Query if the government will revoke a license of an international school?  This sends a very bad me ...

Just by increasing rent will be enough to kill a school, especially when it already struggles for students (those that are not sought after by expats)

lovelysnake

964000 發表於 23-4-17 17:26
ESF won’t suffer too much, just 5% shortage should be filled up easily.
Second/third tiers IS shou ...

many HK people has foriegn passport like me, so IS seats will fill up very fast