大學入學要求 ATAR vs IELTS

bowlinghead

Yanamami 發表於 21-3-17 11:47
其实大学心儀咩学系？望下果科英文有無乜特別要求，如果無咁咪揀普通英文班唔好揀English Advanced咪易尐。 ...

問過佢又講唔出想讀咩科, 我有提過澳洲 熱門讀health care 例如physiotherapy 果喲佢又好似唔抗拒, 不過佢唔係數學人就一定唔會讀Engineering/Computer science 喇.
我見Sydney U 大部分 Course 嘅  Eng Language requirement 係 record of satisfactory achievement in a completed and recognised secondary education (high school) qualification, 咁 HSC 嘅英文科係點為之 not satisfactory (below band 3?)

Yanamami

bowlinghead 發表於 21-3-17 18:17
問過佢又講唔出想讀咩科, 我有提過澳洲 熱門讀health care 例如physiotherapy 果喲佢又好似唔抗拒, 不過佢 ...

Physio係medi以外其中一科要超高分既科，有信心嗎？要有Physics, Chem同Maths呢。

bowlinghead

Yanamami 發表於 21-3-17 19:23
Physio係medi以外其中一科要超高分既科，有信心嗎？要有Physics, Chem同Maths呢。

我仲諗澳洲physio學位比較多會比香港易少少入添

我上大學網只睇到ATAR/ENG嘅要求, 冇話有其他必修科目,請問可以係邊度搵到?

Yanamami

bowlinghead 發表於 21-3-18 11:06
我仲諗澳洲physio學位比較多會比香港易少少入添

我上大學網只睇到ATAR/ENG嘅要求, 冇話有其他必修科目,請 ...

我係阿女櫃上揾到SydneyU 2018本Guide Book入面有各科入學要求（Assumed knowledge: Phy&Chem, Recommended studies: Maths）。你仔係int'l student定citizen'? 當年Physio收生要求個ATAR同IB分亦有分別：ATAR97, IB39/ ATAR99, IB42. Intel student已比本地學生易。做個參考，我估今明兩年唔會有太大差別啩……或者其他U要求唔一樣？

bowlinghead

Yanamami 發表於 21-3-18 12:17
我係阿女櫃上揾到SydneyU 2018本Guide Book入面有各科入學要求（Assumed knowledge: Phy&Chem, Recommende ...

Thx 等我試下網上搵有冇呢本guide book 先
佢會用international student 身分申請大學，我都有睇過international student 嘅entry requirement 係低少少, 所以先諗physio係咪可以考慮（雖然我唔知HSC同DSE難度有幾大嘅分別)

Yanamami

bowlinghead 發表於 21-3-18 18:20
Thx 等我試下網上搵有冇呢本guide book 先
佢會用international student 身分申請大學，我都有睇過internat ...

睇其他帖，要季慮埋placement問題？唔知int'l student句local有無差別？

bowlinghead

Yanamami 發表於 21-3-18 19:00
睇其他帖，要季慮埋placement問題？唔知int'l student句local有無差別？

謝謝提醒，呢樣都係要考慮嘅因素，唔知如果澳洲冇placement可唔可以去其他國家(英國/加拿大）實習?

Activehealth

bowlinghead 發表於 21-3-19 18:02
謝謝提醒，呢樣都係要考慮嘅因素，唔知如果澳洲冇placement可唔可以去其他國家(英國/加拿大）實習?:questio ...

我係N年前U Syd Physio 畢業生，讀果時係International student (澳洲讀中學）, 畢咗業先移民在當地工作，現在港工作。

可以答你international student 如果收得入U Syd Physio, 一定會包埋placement.

因為Physio 4年課程內已包咗1040 hours of mandatory work component (
clinical placement). 即成功完成4年Physio 已可註冊成澳洲物理治療師，不用畢業後一年實習。

Clinical placement local 同international students 完全一樣，醫院等醫療機構根本唔會知（亦唔會理）邊個international/local. That means 如果英文唔好，出到clinical 溝通唔到即死，international 唔會有情講！

澳洲Physio 跟加拿大/英國不同，實習只可以在澳洲做。

MaMaHH

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My child had finished yr 11, 12 in the high school of Australia and applied for the uni with local ATAR. In my experience, if your child aims to apply for healthcare related subjects in Australia, I would highly recommend your child to take exam in HK and apply for uni in the international student queue. Also find help from HK education agents to apply.
It was nightmare to me in helping my child apply for uni as all the five states have their different rules to handle applications of international students located in Australia. Some uni even cannot accept international students who take English as a second language for healthcare related subjects if they took Australian exam.  If possible, your child should take IELTs exam regardless of where he/she finishes high school.

bowlinghead

Activehealth 發表於 21-3-19 19:33
本帖最後由 Activehealth 於 21-3-19 19:39 編輯

我係N年前U Syd Physio 畢業生，讀果時係Internationa ...

謝謝你解釋，咁即係入到u就唔駛擔心placement嘅問題

bowlinghead

MaMaHH 發表於 21-3-19 23:03
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My child had finished yr 11, 12 in the high school of Australia and applied for  ...

I read from the UAC website that international students can apply for uni through UAC if they complete an Australian Y12 in or outside Aus, do you mean the healthcare related subjects are excluded from application thro UAC?

PBTC

My Kids ' school is an IB school in Adelaide, It advised HK students to do  on campus  bridging course 除非是从小到大都读国际学校， even band 1 hk students 都是要去newly arrivals class  5 to 10 Weeks. Just to make sure they can understand what their subject requirements. Only government schools here are still doing a kind of swim or sink practice.

Yanamami

bowlinghead 發表於 21-3-19 23:36
I read from the UAC website that international students can apply for uni through UAC if they comple ...

我諗因為佢孩子中學讀Eng as a second language而申請health care subjects先有困難。以Speech Pathology 為例，要Eng Advance, 連Eng Standard都未必得，更可况as a 2nd lang?

MaMaHH

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It is quite complicated! First you have to bear in mind different uni have different selection process for international students.
There are on-shore and off-shore international students applying for uni in Australia. It depends on the policy of the uni whether the application of international students should be submitted directly to the uni or the local application system like UAC for NSW state. You have to check clearly beforehand because the application deadlines and selection processes can be different. Say if you child is an onshore international students, taking Australian local exam, mostly likely he/she will follow the application process and schedule applicable to local students, and possibly also the ATAR requirements set for local students.

For Healthcare (professional) subjects, the uni call them "quota programs", which means the places are limited by the government and a rigid quota is set for local students and international students respectively. The requirement on English standard is very high because the students are supposed to communicate with local citizens without any problems in verbal and non-verbal formats during placement period before they can graduate successfully. To play safe, your child should better take the IELT exam as well in case his/her score in English subject cannot be competitive enough.

MaMaHH

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You are correct.  I would say we made a big mistake when we chose the subjects in Yr 11. We just considered the potential score of a higher ATAR which can fulfil the ATAR requirements for the uni program, but did not know there are some specific requirements on the language. Even we did not know the standard is also applicable to international students who are taking local exam, which is much higher than the standards for offshore international students.

bowlinghead

Yanamami 發表於 21-3-20 16:13
我諗因為佢孩子中學讀Eng as a second language而申請health care subjects先有困難。以Speech Pathology  ...

Eng Advanced 鬼仔讀就冇問題，但我個仔呢啲咁大先過去仲要唔係讀開國際學校嘅學生，我諗Eng standard都已經係掹車邊
不過果邊啲人教揀科話要揀難啲嘅Eng Advanced都唔好揀易啲嘅Eng standard, 因為scaling 問題就算Standard 攞高分最後都可能低分過Advanced, 應真複雜！

bowlinghead

MaMaHH 發表於 21-3-20 16:38
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It is quite complicated! First you have to bear in mind different uni have  ...

Thanks for your advice, I also plan my boy to take IELTS as a back up for uni English requirement

bowlinghead

MaMaHH 發表於 21-3-20 16:44
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You are correct.  I would say we made a big mistake when we chose the subjects ...

could your boy take his preferred subject at uni at last?

ystaihk

女兒是澳洲citizen，在英國剛剛讀完中學A level回港隔離，成績會8月先出。
佢咁嘅情況（海外讀完中學，用local身份申請大學），申請Sydney U和Melbourne U，用的是本地ATAR分數嗎？... 還是用海外分數呢？

佢讀Eng Lit、History和Math，外加一個EPQ。

讀Eng Lit應該可以豁免Eelts吧？

Yanamami

ystaihk 發表於 21-6-6 12:38
女兒是澳洲citizen，在英國剛剛讀完中學A level回港隔離，成績會8月先出。
佢咁嘅情況（海外讀完中學，用lo ...

無係澳洲考入大學試（Eg HSC），唔會有ATAR分，海外都係用其他試成績申請。DSE, IB, GCE都接受。