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elbar

HHHR 發表於 16-1-16 02:59
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除咗Oxbridge外，top tier包括LSE, UCL, KCL, Nottingham, Durham, Bristol，2nd ...

Law Degrees Recognized by Singapore
Recognized Law Schools in the UK

• University of Birmingham
• University of Bristol
• University of Cambridge
• University of Durham
• University of Exeter (To Be Removed from 2016 Intake)
• University of Leeds (To Be Removed from 2016 Intake)
• University of Leicester (To Be Removed from 2016 Intake)
• University of Liverpool (To Be Removed from 2016 Intake)
• King’s College, University of London
• LSE, University of London
• Queen Mary, University of London
• SOAS, University of London (To Be Removed from 2016 Intake)
• University College, University of London
• University of Manchester(To Be Removed from 2016 Intake)
• University of Nottingham
• University of Oxford
• University of Sheffield (To Be Removed from 2016 Intake)
• University of Southampton (To Be Removed from 2016 Intake)
• University of Warwick
  

Recognized Law Schools in Australia

• Australian National University
• Flinders University
• Monash University
• Murdoch University
• University of Melbourne
• University of New South Wales
• University of Queensland
• University of Sydney
• University of Tasmania
• University of Western Australia
  

Recognized Law Schools in New Zealand

• University of Auckland
• Victoria University of Wellington
  

Rexxxxxx1227

These are all second tier universities. Go for UCL LSE KCL Bristol Cardiff instead

NoahArk

According to this (generally recognised as the most comprehensive survey), top UK and US law firms prefer graduates from (1) Oxford, (2) Cambridge, (3) Durham: http://www.chambersstudent.co.uk/where-to-start/newsletter/law-firms-preferred-universities

Shootastar

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In order to maintain competitiveness in PCLL admission and for training contracts, you need to have a high 2:1 or first LL B degree from Kent.

Florencehoho

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我係用bellerbys成績入架 overall 87％以上

Shootastar

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Kingkong

I would like to go for higher ranking Us (if one has choice). Obtaining 2:1 is not too difficult in top ranking Us.

For your information, about 80% of Cambridge law graduates have 2:1 or first. In case of Oxford, about 65% to 70% of law graduates have 2:1 or better.

In case of KC, LSE and UCL, about 80% of their law graduates are of 2:1 or higher.

However, it is also good to settle at U of Kent, so long as you can obtain "high" 2:1 or first. "High" means the average marks of all law subjects are 65 or better. Usually you need average mark of 60 or better to obtain a "2:1". A low "2:1" from U of Kent is not competitive as far as admission to PCLL and training contract are concerned.

In short, do not worry about the name of the U so long as you have a high "2:1" or first. My two cents.

HHHR

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If your kid is aiming at coming back to HK / Asia to practise (I take this for granted as you asked about taking PCLL), a more renowned law school of a top UK university (the RG for example) will make things a bit easier. Please also refer to elbar's posting about the list of recognised UK law schools by the Singapore government. This is also worth considering.

Shootastar's comments are good, and it is true that if your kid get a first or 2:1 degree, it really doesn't matter too much. But since the legal profession, no matter in HK or in UK, is highly competitive in gaining a training contract, personally I still think it is worth considering getting a LLB from a more renowned university. Of course, very careful consideration must be given to whether your kid is capable of adapting to the highly competitive atmosphere at top law schools, and whether her/his public exam results can meet the requirements of the top law schools (usually AAA or A*AA). If a lower expectation is your option, personally I prefer Sheffield, York or Exeter to Kent.

Shootastar

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Can't agree with you more.

manning2014

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If your kid is intending to apply PCLL in HK and to practice in HK, first priority is studying in HK. Better chance (still need 2.1) to get admitted in HK. Otherwise, only the very top law schools (Oxbridge, LSE, UCL, Warwick) will stand better chance as local HK students.

2 recent real  cases. One's kid got low 2.1 from LSE (parent is a very senior government officer), other one  also got 2.1 from Kent (parent is a past  Law Society Chairman). Both of them didn't get admitted to PCLL in HK. They both went back to UK to do the LPC.

Shootastar

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Not really. My son was fortunate enough that he completed all the conversion examinations at the time he graduated. He managed to be admitted to PCLL immediately after his LLB.

Shootastar

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I think it is rumor that PCLL only admitted fresh LLB graduates. I know a number of friends whose kids were admitted to PCLL one year after LLB because various reasons - not yet passed all conversion examinations, doing the LLM or taking a gap year.

The admission to PCLL is based on academic merit only (as posted in various websites of the PCLL providers). If you are not a local LLB or JD graduates, you need a high "2:1" or "first" if you are not from the 1st tier colleges (we are discusing UK colleges). If you are from the 1st tier colleges, a low "2:1" will do so long as the average of your core subjects are 56 or above.

HHHR

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My son took a few modules every time when he returned to HK (X'mas and summer vacation) starting from Year 1. He opined that it is a bit easier to handle, and can avoid clustering everything in final year, which will make life very stressful.

According to his experience, it should not be too difficult to get a pass with sufficient preparation.

HHHR

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It's OK for you to ask for details as long as the questions are sensible and the information you want is not easily available in the Internet. That's what Education Kingdom is for. We are very willing to share as we have gone through the same difficult time some time ago.

Back to Conversion Exam. My son did not attend any tutorial classes in HK. He said as long as you pick those modules that you are currently studying in UK law school, everything will be fine since the concepts and knowledge are pretty much the same. The only difference is the cases. He only asked me to purchase reference books selected from the lists provided by the PCLL Conversion Exam Board. Everything turns out to be fine so far.


As for the entry requirements, according to the children of my friends and relatives who studied law in UK and have gained a place in PCLL program, it is true one really need a 'high 2:1' at least to gain a place. In addition, they all claimed that it would be better to get the LLB from a renowned UK university. In view of these, I would advise you and your son to consider getting a place from a RG university (Queen Mary is a good choice) through UCAS adjustment / clearing after the release of the public exam results.

Shootastar

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My son did not take any course for the conversion examination. Probably, some of his classmates did who were willing to share with him of the note. Save for 3 top-up subjects, they are open book examinations. If you have the notes, then it is not difficult to get a pass (the result is only pass or fail) on that subject.

Apart from the notes, it is better that he has one or two recommended books on each subject for reference. If he does not have the materials, he can then attend the courses. However, such courses may not be necessary so long as you have the reference materials.

In order to compare the overseas students, it is an open secret that the PCLL providers will first consider the average marks of 6 core subjects - those subjects are compulsory in their LLB degree. I could not recall exactly the name of the core subjects, but something like, Contract, Tort, Administrative Law, Legal System, Criminal Law etc.

If your average mark of the 6 core subjects is 56 or above, the PCLL providers will consider your LLB degree, where you come from and whether your degree is a "high 2:1" or a "low 2:1".

For your information, if you are from a prestigeous college like Cambridge, Oxford, UCL, King's or LSE, the standard offer (in the year of my son's application) was only a high "2:2" (average mark for 8 subjects taken in the 2nd and 3rd year is 58 or above). Situation may change few years later but I do think that a low "2:1" from those colleges would be qualified for a spot in the PCLL class. For less famous colleges, I think that a "high 2:1" (meaning of average mark 65 or about) is competitive for a spot.

Last, I have to remind that some students of "2:1" LLB from the prestigeous colleges are still denied because they slip in the core subjects result. It is quite easy to happen as 4 to 5 core subjects are taught in the 1st year and the students may not get used to learning law in the first year.