ESF 2014 Graduates - University Destinations

Mighty

Jola, great minds think alike

cowmoon

I would rather say that most kids (including mine) are above average in some aspects but below average in others. Praise the strengths. Accommodate but not give up the weaknesses.

cowmoon

I think ESF is doing a great job. But non selection happens only in year 1. My neighbour's boy switched from SPCPS to ESF in year 7 and my friend's son from another local elite school applied for year 7 but did not get a place after interview. I think it is getting more selective as applicants become more.

annie40

名校生的英文水平，大部份是一般而已，除非是英文科特別出色的學生。考year 7, ESF基本要求孩子有足夠英語水平應付學習而已，已經是最低要求了。

annie40

老實說，我真的睇唔明個Report是好定唔夠好！

如果認為唔夠好，系咪說non selective school 就是合理的關鍵了？

其實讀左咁多年，覺得ESF孩子最正的，從來不是成績（大家心𥚃有數吧），而是mindset.  (好難有數據反映），university destination 是某個階段 。如果mindset強勁，以後愈戰愈勇，成就更大。

今天所見新一代ESF生，補習愈來愈早，愈來愈多，成績又好似愈來愈好，希望各方面mindset也是朝著正向。

sschiu

I think every parent has their own standard of what is "good" or not. The report has reflected the trend that more ESF students are choosing to study in HK universities (one reason to explain why the number going to Ivy League or Oxbridge is not high). Especially for medicine and law, there is advantage to study in HK if they plan to practise and develop a career here. Another observation is that ESF students have chosen a very wide range of subjects, in addition to the popular medicine, law or business, some have chosen art, film...I think this reflects the diverse interests of ESF students, their open mindedness and confidence to pursue their passion. This may be part of the "mindset" that annie40 mentioned, which makes ESF students different.

cowmoon

annie40 發表於 15-1-29 22:22
名校生的英文水平，大部份是一般而已，除非是英文科特別出色的學生。考year 7, ESF基本要求孩子有足夠英語 ...

其實我也想知，現在 ESF Year 7 admission 是不是還是排 waiting list 加考英語程度，因為愈來愈多本地學校學生在中學轉國際，這是趨勢。
ESF 是好學校，夠大已是其一優勢，課外活動夠多元化，sports、music、art、science and technology，有空間和夠學生去發展多方的強項和興趣。我常常在路上見 ESF 學生跑街練 cross country，或成隊兵咁去練 hockey，我都替他們高興。

大曲

其實ESF 2014 有幾多入唔到U?

shadeslayer

原帖由 cowmoon 於 15-01-30 發表
其實我也想知，現在 ESF Year 7 admission 是不是還是排 waiting list 加考英語程度，因為愈來愈多本地學 ...

Pretty sure ESF test both English and math at year 7.

shadeslayer

原帖由 Mighty 於 15-01-29 發表
I kind of agree that ESF is not selective only at admission.  However, it does select/divide student ...

I kind of agree that ESF is not selective only at admission. However, it does select/divide students into appropriate groups according to their capability for major subjects, e.g.

Xxxxxxx


I was going to reply to Fatty that "streaming" is very common in IS and has nothing to do with selective philosophy or not.  You find streaming in both types of schools.

In fact I believe the difference between selective school and non selective schools is not that great in the IS world. I know some kids in a selective school who are very poor in academics and the school did not "ask" them to leave.

cowmoon

shadeslayer 發表於 15-1-30 13:24
Pretty sure ESF test both English and math at year 7.

Thanks ! That would be more "reasonable" in my eyes. Some of the standardized academic test I know (e.g. MAP testing of US, ACER, PISA) only test students on three aspects: Reading (i.e. comprehension and reasoning), Language (of course English only: grammar, vocabulary, spelling ...) and Math. Well, it is actually all you need to know to understand about an elementary school student's academic ability.

FattyDaddy

shadeslayer 發表於 15-1-30 13:29
In fact I believe the difference between selective school and non selective schools is not that great in the IS world ...

It is true that in the IS world, the difference between selective and non-selective is not that big, I was thinking along the lines of non-selective IS vs selective elite LS, since it is often these LS which people use to compare to ESF and other IS over IBDP scores and university placements.

Also, "selective" is sometimes not so much selecting the child's ability but the parents' ability, thats how even mediocre kids are sometimes selected because of the parents' standing.

annie40

其實很想明白原來已經被挑選入讀Selective school 的孩子，學校很好，亦有一定的教學要求和經常性測驗，數年之後何以當中部份上成為very poor in academics?

值得探討！

shadeslayer

原帖由 annie40 於 15-01-30 發表
其實很想明白原來已經被挑選入讀Selective school 的孩子，學校很好，亦有一定的教學要求和經常性測驗，數 ...

實情唔知，不過如何 selective school，也有 high priority or compulsory intake。

其實我意思係不要神化 selective schools ，它一樣有讀得普通的孩子，也不要看輕 non selective schools。是否 selective 在 lS中不是那麼重要。

cowmoon

annie40 發表於 15-1-30 19:10
其實很想明白原來已經被挑選入讀Selective school 的孩子，學校很好，亦有一定的教學要求和經常性測驗，數 ...

這即使在所謂的“神級”本地學校一樣有個案。畢竟四五歲孩子，selective process 也未必全中吧，也有非常聰明乖巧但有 dylexia。即使一個小朋友天資聰敏也不保証學業成績好，selective 的學校本就未必是好學校。[size=14.3999996185303px]學校的課程可能不合適太谷或太淺，遇上的水準不夠的老師。朋友的孩子在[size=14.3999996185303px]“神級”本地小學，有一位同學本來好乖成績好好，後來朋友發現她常常致電自己的孩子傾偈，而且成績愈來愈差，後來才知屋企發生了些事。退一步來說，孩子可以快樂健康成長是幸福。

annie40

自己有個想法是這樣的，ESF是以non selective 收生，家庭背景近似，開始時孩子的素質，可以是融合虎狼狼狗羊豬的大牧場，當初是飲奶奶時代，無須開始大廝殺，學校無測驗，功課少，話之你是天才，老師是低調處理，視而不見，因為評估有限，家長普遍是濛查查。(基本上小學如此）。以為好叻未算，以為好差原來不賴。

因為沒有把動物分類，於是虎不知己是虎，豬以為自己是虎，羊又扮下狼，狗又學貓叫，大家在同一屋簷下混大，相安和平，沒看扁同伴，結果或多或少產生良好的互動模仿，虎學了豬的小聰明，又體諒豬的力不從心，狗眼見狼相，學了自律進取，羊就在大家呵護下継續發日夢。孩子學的知識不算豐厚，郤有非常正面的學習mindset，大部份在自信不算是虎，起碼也會是狼的良好意願下，在面對難題時，顯得積極奮進。

及后上到中中，高中，開始正式考試的殘酷年代，年幼時打下的積極快樂，，在此時有利學習上的輸入和輸出了。

愛恩斯坦名句：

imagination is more important than knowledge.

此話由充滿學識，知識的超級科學家在走近人生盡頭時發表，是非常震撼的肺腑之言吧！


后駐：土壤合時，環境算是理想，過程中依然有不少走失的動物，很可惜！

annie40

回覆 cowmoon 的帖子

十分同意，大部份走失的孩子，總有不同程度的家庭問題，，與父母溝通是搭錯綫，另部份多是人際問題而誤交損友，得不到認同感等。

Mighty

ＡＮＮＩＥ，看到説到朋友問題、我想問下如果発現女児視以為一個最好的朋友、但従各種場合我発現這個所謂朋友、其実是一個非常喜歓ＭＡＮＩＰＵＬＡＴＥ別人的人、如将ＧＲＯＵＰ分化等等、応如何対応？　首先我承認応該是告訴女児応有自己的思想、但還有甚麼可做？　請発表一下高見。　這個人原本常常是自己一個的、我ＥＮＣＯＵＲＡＧＥ我個女応該関顧一些孤独的同学、結果她門成了好朋友、後来這位同学毎次我個女同其他大班人一斉玩、她就get angry or even cry so that my daughter goes back to her again.  Really annoying!!

annie40

Mighty, 你鼓勵女兒留意和關顧一些同學的需要，真的很棒啊！

曾幾何時在小學階段，自己也經常幹著相同的事，甚至約會狐獨的小孩到我家裡玩。然上了初中，真的是不能和不敢了。

第一，女兒和玩伴的関係要講投契合拍，要照顧她的心底意願，幫人一把無妨，真正交友還要點投緣。意願再好，卻不能影響女兒的抉擇了。

第二，部份孩子的性格，社交，品格開始變得複雜，真的有很大危險的potential。自己那敢當goodie, goodie mom, 叫女兒埋去玩。自己交損友事小，女女交錯朋友，會好大件事。因此必定唔敢多口了。

青春期的女孩不易養，敏感，早熟，多愁善感，心情經常受朋友所影響，因此很大機會是交甚麼朋友，便成甚麼人了。最糟糕是在此階段，孩子眼𥚃，父母是老古董，我們的意見最不管用呢！

此時切勿開大會，批評孩子的同學，頂多無意之間講講別人的故事，或扮作自己的經驗分享，讓孩子明白原來道不同，不相為謀，相處久了，彼此熟稔，卻無法深交下去的前恩後果，作為警愓。

另一提議是distraction, 讓女女參加更多午飯和課后活動，擴大社交圈，很快便交上更多不同群組的朋友。小器女孩喜歡跟就跟吧，唔喜歡時，你個女又忙又開心，真的唔理得佢咁多了，拜拜！

如果女孩又要嬲，又要喊，你可以私底下去通知社工或老師，幫忙疏導，已經盡哂人事了。其他可做的不多。

其實女孩們的友情很脆弱，朋友愈少愈單一愈是危險，如果朋友圈多元化，情緒，見識，安全感，會堅固多。

希望以上意見有點用。

lui

原帖由 大曲 於 15-01-30 發表
其實ESF 2014 有幾多入唔到U?

U may go to ESF website, the figures for 2013 is less than 5%