英名私校開班教入劍橋牛津

annie40

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問題係叻仔唔需要吃「九流快餐」,唔叻仔的吃五日快餐會消化不良。父母親的重要身教之一是「金錢要用得其所」，而唔系隨便花費1.38萬去「買個不切實際的期望」。

一大堆家長系到格飛機票價，相對留學支出，能節省的金錢認真有限，要計清楚的目的是要與「水魚」界劃清界線，給孩子好榜樣。早早送孩子出洋，隨時是十年，條數認真大啊！

Shootastar

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He took conversion examinations bit by bit since June 2009 and he passed all 7 required subjects by June 2011. He was not required to take Evidence because it was included in his LLB degree. He could not meet the condition imposed on his offer of admission to PCLL without obtaining all passes in all subjects in the conversion examination.

Artie

annie40 發表於 14-5-19 20:04
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問題係叻仔唔需要吃「九流快餐」,唔叻仔的吃五日快餐會消化不良。

人地話，已經好多人報了名喇喎。而家香港的氣氛就係咁，個個家長都怕仔女輸蝕比人地。我地覺得水魚，人地係比錢比得不知幾開心。

Choisumwong

其實好多top既boarding school都有oxbridge預備班。不過商業化及包裝化之後就是現在家長付錢的課程。我到過現場參觀，講者所說的不是什麼秘密，只是學校如何做到好成績及幫學生入到oxbridge，如特長的敎學時間，老師都有做examiner，oxbridge預備班，提供工作預習及另類課外活動。講者最忽略的是學生的感受及壓力，只強調競爭、考試成績、入到oxbridge。作為家長，我只想我的小朋友自發地追求理想。

Ruby1219

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i know a boy joined Cardiff last Sept, he told me Cardiff would only keep the top kids, marginal ones will be 'sent' to 'another school' under their 'roof', 再渣d will be expelled ! Then, I can totally understand why they "succeed" ! with this 輸打贏要 policy !

annie40

老友，做物甘夜仲唔瞓覺，真是好媽媽。

annie40

老友，做物甘夜仲唔瞓覺？真是好媽媽。

Shootastar

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The conversion examination is held twice - early January and late June.
My son took one subject in January so he had to study for the examination during Christmas.

He took 2 to 3 subjects in June examination. His term usually ended around mid to late May. So he had about one month to do the revision for the June examination. Apart from 3 compulsory Hong Kong subjects, all the other examinations are on open book basis. They can bring whatever materials to the examination room. So if the kids are conscientious about the conversion examinations, they could complete the conversion examinations by the time they graduated from colleges and could apply for PCLL. In fact, they still have about 2.5 months as summer holidays. Usually they would spend 1 to 1.5 months to do summer internshipa in the summers of 2nd year and 3rd year. Still they could have about one month free time.

Although the kids passed all the conversion examinations during the LLB period, the competition for a PCLL space is very fierce. There is no guarantee that you are admitted to study PCLL even though you pass all the conversion examination. The colleges would not simply consider the classification of your LLB degree (because there are much qualification inflation in overseas colleges). The percentage of LLB graduates with a first class or second one class honor each year amounts to 70% to 85% of the class. So the PCLL providers would look into the marks of the subjects and the combination of the subjects you study.

Ruby1219

annie40, are u talling about me ?  真係好多野搞！ 同個英國朋友傾咗成個鐘！

foolish.mom

I don't know the situation in other IS of HK.  But in my son's school, the university counsellors provide similar support to all students who want to apply Oxbridge: how to write Oxbridge personal statement, admission mock test, provide mentors, mock interviews.  No point to pay $13.8K for the 5 days' course.

Fate

Could I first thank elbar for starting this very interesting thread.

Then, I'd like to thank every parent for sharing your honest view/unique experience - I enjoy reading your input.

Although I'm currently busy in helping local children, http://www.viewfrompublishing.co ... -free-maths-tuition), I feel that I should share more with my fellow Hongkongers (Yes, the word 'Hongkonger' has just been added into the Oxford Dictionary),  http://public.oed.com/the-oed-to ... ds-list-march-2014/

Having being around a bit (> 50), experienced a bit (a police/ parent helper) & moved a bit (lived in 4 countries), I know a bit about Parenting & Children Development, and would like to take our sharing to another level, from initially 'Getting into Oxbridge'  to the Reality on how to help our child 'Getting Better of Themselves'.

I'd like to use 'ABC' to explain my points.

A for Aim

Every parent Aims to help their child to get the Ultimate Prize in Life : Enjoying True Happiness.

Although every parent knows what to Aim for, not every parent knows what Action should go for. As a result, there are, what I call, 3 types of parent taking 3 different approaches.

1st : Pushy Parents -  Pushing their child to do what they as parents want.

A long list of after-school activities : hours of revision/homework, piano, Taekwondo/Karate, debating/singing/acting/dancing, football/swimming/tennis/badminton etc., basically fighting in a 'combat zone'.   This 'Over Kill' approach results in many children suffer 'Burnt Out' and either start 'Leveling Out' due to mental/physical exhaustion (how long can one stays at their Peak?) or 'Walk Out' from a parent-child relationship (a child starts not talking to parents?)

2nd : Punish Parents - Punishing their child by letting them do whatever their child wants.

So a child only takes simple/easy tasks, has long hours of computer game/on FB/Twitter/TV/texting/mobile etc., basically hiding in a comfort zone.  This 'Over Protect' approach results in many children can't write/read/calculate at an acceptable standard, not in good health due to lack of exercise, becoming a 'Drop Out' as they avoid taking any responsibility etc.

3rd : Polish Parents - Polishing their child's Essential Life Skills by parent & child working together as a Team.

So a child becomes more confident, more independent, more happy etc., after involving in making decisions about their OWN daily schedule/weekend activities/study plan/future planning etc., enabling a child to Think, Compare, Focus, Plan, Present Valid Arguments, Accept Compromise etc. This Balanced Approach results in a child becomes an All Rounder, Excel in SPAM : Socially, Physically, Academically, Mentally.

Now we come to the 'ABC' 's B - B for Better

Every child is Better than what their parents think.

It's the parents that can't handle the pressure, worry too much etc.  A child CAN adjust to a new environment very smoothly, learn new things very quickly and become happy very easily etc. - I see these happen on a regular basis. For example, even though my elder boy spent his first 10 years in playing in playground/beach in NZ/OZ, never been exposed to the UK Curriculum and did about 15 minute extra work a day at home, he was accepted by a Top 1% school in England & Wales.

Children are born to learn and  to become Better, though many parents haven't provided an 'Environment' to help their child full developing their potentials.

Finally, we come to the 'ABC's C - C for Competition

Competition happens every minute everywhere, though you may not be aware of this - it's actually happening right now, right here.

It happens when you're thinking about buying a mobile, watching tv, sending child for overseas education etc., because you COMPARE iphone and Samsung, TVB's drama and ATV's news, UK and OZ etc.

You Compare prices at Wellcome and Park'N, compare your wages with your friends, compare your hair (middle-aged gentlemen), compare your weight (all aged women!). So would universities when selecting students - they compare all applicants. So would firms when employing/promoting staff - they compare all applicants. So, we've to remind our children not only to accept Competition is a Fact of Life, but also to embrace Competition as a Way of Improving Life (i.e. helps one to become Better)

Because Competition, like Money, is Neutral - all depends on how people make use of it.

I've used Competitions to help my boys to enhance their Concentration, Quick Thinking, Time Management, to maximise their Strength and minimise their Weakness, to transform Pressure into Pleasure, to better handle Uncertainty etc., and above all, how to deal with Failures and Bounce Back from Failures.

Because everyone fails and is guaranteed to fail many time in their lifetime, so it's not about winning this time or next time, but all about Trying One's Best every time, Learning Hard every time, so that one becomes Better & Better over time and make it at the Most Crucial Time.

To conclude, every incident, every encounter is a Learning Opportunity, so it's never really about 'Getting into Oxbridge' but more about 'Getting into a Team with your child', working together wholeheartedly and diligently,  to find the best way forward to achieve an agreed goal, and then together working again for the next goal......

Last but not least, may all your (and your child's) Dreams come true - it's been a Pleasure in sharing with you.

(Have to go to finalise arrangement for our coming HK visit )

Best wishes
Terence Lai
Best Education comes from Parents + Learn from Own Mistakes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJNIY3mLHU8

annie40

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After flight booking and digesting school information, seems anxiety evaporated.  Fate's article is soo.......inspired, very rare having parents with such crystal mind.  

Ruby1219

same here !  而家等paasport renewal 同學校CAS, meantime 同佢照定肺， 然後就做visa!

Fate

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Thanks, Shootastar, annie40 and slamai, I'm sure your child/ren are all doing great because children learn mostly from what their parents do and say - and you lot have indeed shown your child/ren a very positive model : Appreciating others.

annie40, I DID write a book, though it's an E-book (for a charity) ..... and more - you can find out more yourself by using google search, type in 'terence lai child genius'. (My younger boy and I agreed to appear on a UK TV series to show what 'Polish Parents' are)  Hope you'll be pleasantly surprised.


I made a Youtube for my fellow Hongkongers (in Cantonese), '香港父母系列之 '子女有潛能、凡事有可能' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHJi0mloqsA


And I Aim to finish another one for my fellow Hongkongers before the end of next week, sharing how much impact an '環境' is on children development and parent/child relationship.


Have to go, wife shouting - I need to do the washing after breakfast!


Best wishes
Terence
Together We Share, We Care, We'll all be There

Fate

I feel I'm obliged to share a bit more because the Life has given me a second chance - I was almost killed by Stress.

Everyone knows there has been a GFC, Global Financial Crisis, and all governments have to 'rebalance'  their economy.

But does everyone know there has been a BIGGER crisis, the GPS?

The Global Parenting Crisis, and we as parents have to 'rebalance' our relationship with our children.

The world has changed so much for the last few years, so as our children, and we as parents have to change too - change for Better, or we are to become Bitter.

Pushy Parents - Push their child to the Edge, as they stand too close to their child, leaving their child with no breathing space.

Punish Parents - Punish their child by NOT letting them to develop the Edge, as they walk away from their child, leaving their child with no basic skills.

Both types of parents are to,  I'm sorry to say, significantly increase the risk of their child committing suicide.  Because Pushed children are so Stressed Out, they want a 'Way Out'; Punished children are so Bored, they want a 'Final Call'.

Unlike the Polished children, the above two types of children mostly have little Problem Solving Skills. So when the reality hits, they can't handle it, and then, after being brain-washed by their computer games for so many years, they go for a 'Game Over' rather than a 'Starting Over'.

I suggest the above two types parents to try something new, following the example of the Polish Parents, in helping their child to develop the Edge to live Happily & compete Globally by keeping a sensible distance from their child, let their child Try, Fail, Learn, Try again......, while the parents watching carefully and patiently, and are ready to share with their child of their previous experience to keep their child motivated in trying and trying.

Perhaps, Pushy Parents could consider letting their child to decide what activity their child should do this weekend - let their child to have More Say in their OWN Life to encourage Self-Independence and Self-Discipline, giving the often tensed relationship a new twist and possibly a new life. Everyone takes a Breathe.

Perhaps, Punish Parents could consider making a deal with their child : 30 minutes of what their child wants to do ONLY if the child agrees to do what they SHOULD do (e.g. homework, tidy up bedroom) in the next 30 minutes, to remind their child of the Reality : 'Life is a Give & Take', 'Life is about Growing Up, Facing Up, Stepping Up and NOT Giving Up' etc. Everyone does their Duty.

Perhaps, some parents may have been asking, 'If I can be so Successful in my career/business, why I can't be a Successful parent?'  

Yes, you can, if you can treat your child as your Most Important Client!

Yes, you can, if you can give 15 minutes 1-1  a day to your child!

Yes, you can, if you can STOP giving orders to your child or finding Excuse for your child!

Never ever wait until the day you see your child lying in a A & E bed due to binge drinking, drug overdose, knife fighting etc., or staying in a Police Cell before you Regretting NOT having been spending 15 minutes a day in Communicating with your child.

Have to go and talk to my elder boy - he is to tell me his holiday plan for the half term break, and his study plan for his remaining GCSE examinations.

Be Good....... then be Rewarded.


Best wishes
Terence Lai
A Good Ending comes from Good Parenting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATuhdhfdURw

Fate

Oops.....just realise I'd forgotten to include the following clip in my last sharing.

Rather than spending HK$13,800 for a course, you may wish to spend $0 to learn from.......a.......mother duck.......a Polish Parent!

She DID keep a reasonable distance - let her children to keep trying + trying + trying and they ALL succeeding!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHy6bBKu0j4


Best wishes
Terence
Let Go, Stay Close,  Everything Grows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZIjxXurqkY

annie40

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wow, you make my day.   The duck mother seems so wise .

Fate

I'm glad that some of you feel I've made your day.

I hope I now can make all of you focus for the day, after me reading a report.

Remember, being Positive doesn't mean Only look at Positive things, but also look at Negative things too and learn something Positive from them.

Remember as a parent, we're here to help our child to deal with all scenarios. Yes, if our child is good enough and want to, we help them to get into Oxbridge. And yes, if our child isn't ready in Life, we help them NOT to 'jump off the bridge' - just look at the recent event in USA.

This incident reminds me of another type of P Parents - Posh Parents :  the Rich & Famous that could 'buy' a place at Oxbridge for their children by giving BIG donations.  The killer's father is a director of 'Hunger Games'. So Successful that this father must have been very busy every single day.

If you look at the killer's self-confessed 7-minute video, titled, 'Retribution'  (attached below), you would wonder what this Posh Parent has done, or has NOT done, for the last 6 years : 15 minutes a day having 1-1 talk with his problematic son?

Shall we talk?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOnS0skSDfI

Have we as parents learnt something Positive from this Negative event?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ ... dy-crime-spree.html


Terence
No Regret as Parents try their Best
Twitter : @longyinfather