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Shootastar

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I would like to comment as follows:

假使DSE嘅成績跟英國會考或IB咁逐年通帳，星不再是星，5即是星、甚至4即是星，情形又如何呢？咁樣吹水又得：

You miss the most basic point that DSE is graded according to the benchmark obtained by the students. In actual case, the students with 5, 5* or 5** reach the same benchmark (which are enough for college admission purpose). It would not help if you make a fine distinction amongst those score 5 students - they all attain the same benchmark.

由於拿星星嘅人比大學容量還多，學生被迫將大部分時間投放在課外活動，由於學生眾多，獨居老人家或弱勢社群人數不足，初初，老人家被迫加班被服務以照顧眾多學生。後來，被服務沿變成生意，弱勢社群因收取被服務費得以脫貧。另外，為了突出服務嘅"含金量"，大批港童參加非洲服務。
......."讀書、運動、服務" 最終變成訓練出一班急功近利的吹水"全能精英"。

Again you misss the point that our discussion is premised upon the attainment of a benchmark. You are blending the irrelevant issue of "grade inflation" in our discussion. I will discuss with you further on the grade inflation if you issue another thread.

Turning to the example quoted by you, you purposely omit the point that the students should obtain the benchmark (i.e. score 5 or 4 depending on the requirement of different subjects) before other indicators would play a role in the admission purpose. The scenario described by you has not happened in any place or country, and definitely would not happen in the future.

Contrary to the scenario quoted by you, all leading colleges in the USA or UK would use other indicators to differentiate an applicant to see if he is fit to study in the college or a particular subject.

judy

星是星、5是5、4是４，名正言順，好嘢來嘅。大學學位少，自自然然要4、要5才能入學。假使學位多了，自自然然3322也能入學。這又和甚麼德育、體育有何關係呢？好像分數唔通脹就沒有了德育體育似啲。

講到摘星嘅人好似唔使努力讀書，淨係讀分數，是虛的咁。可能有啲人係咁啦，虛虛地考入大學，又虛虛地吔到食，跟住虛虛地也諗到人地係虛嘅。

Shootastar

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I would like to further comment as follows:

星是星、5是5、4是４，名正言順，好嘢來嘅。大學學位少，自自然然要4、要5才能入學。假使學位多了，自自然然3322也能入學。這又和甚麼德育、體育有何關係呢？好像分數唔通脹就沒有了德育體育似啲。

It seems that you have missed another point that we are discussing the ways to differentiate "good" students from others. Whether the differentiation is based on number of 5* or 5** or based on score 5 but including other indicators. I suggest you to post a new thread to discuss "grade inflation". I will respond you substantially in that aspect.

講到摘星嘅人好似唔使努力讀書，淨係讀分數，是虛的咁。可能有啲人係咁啦，虛虛地考入大學，又虛虛地吔到食，跟住虛虛地也諗到人地係虛嘅

It appears that your quote is out of your own fantasy. Everybody is of the opinion that one needs extra effort to obtain 5* or 5**. Nobody is of the opinion that  he needs no effort to obtain a 5* or 5**. Contrary to your quote, it is my opinion that if he should spend his energy on other aspects if he is a score 5 material. It is more beneficial to him if he learns other skills than to obtain a 5* or 5**.

judy

Shootstar，

人老啦，真係唔知你講咩！我試吓講多啲，睇撞唔撞中你個point：

3322已是benchmark啦，學位少，自然要4455，有些科目搶手，自自然然要5*或5**。沒有5*或5**，學生的競争自然轉到其他方面(這或是你的)。現在反而要留意的是當IB或英國試年年通脹嘅情况下，如不提升入學要求，對本地生實不公平。

我嘅仔侄輩勤力讀書，也熱心服務、努力煅練身體。我估，佢地唔會係要得到"other indicators"而做這些吧！對我而講，我情愿孩子多啲帮忙家務，而少點去取那些"other indicators"。帮人帮到咁市儈,我唔想要！

Shootastar

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I would like to further comment as below:

人老啦，真係唔知你講咩！我試吓講多啲，睇撞唔撞中你個point：

If there is any point you do not understand, I am glad to further explain. Please let me know if you need assistance.

3322已是benchmark啦，學位少，自然要4455，有些科目搶手，自自然然要5*或5**。沒有5*或5**，學生的競争自然轉到其他方面(這或是你的)。現在反而要留意的是當IB或英國試年年通脹嘅情况下，如不提升入學要求，對本地生實不公平。

I am talking about the benchmark of a score 5. Nobody in this thread discusses the benchmark of 3322. My point is if one has attained the benchmark of 5, there is no need to ask him to run an extra mile for the purposes of differentiation of 5* or 5**. The HKEAA does not set a benchmark for 5* or 5**. It just allocate 10% (of the 5 scorers) to 5**, 30% to 5* [from the benchmark of score 5].


我嘅仔侄輩勤力讀書，也熱心服務、努力煅練身體。我估，佢地唔會係要得到"other indicators"而做這些吧！對我而講，我情愿孩子多啲帮忙家務，而少點去取那些"other indicators"。帮人帮到咁市儈,我唔想要！

From you own perspective, you are probably correct. However, I think the leading colleges in the world would not agree with you.

laorenjia

Judy

有五分，已經夠叻喇，無需要再細分。如果剩係計sat分數收學生，頭嗰啲美國大學全部變成亞洲人+猶太人大學。It is the responsibility of the universities to select the suitable ones out of the already very capable students. It is simply impossible for hk to have grade inflation like you said. The leading universities in the world do not rely entirely on academic results. Once you are over the cutoff marks, other factors kick in. Once you have the chance to interview for a place at oxbridge, your academic abilities have already been assumed. If we look around, it is probably only China which still relies on exam marks totally for university admission.

According the HKEAA, 0.1% of 2012 HKDSE candidates have five 5** or above, 1% five 5* or above, 3.9% five 5 or above. Most hot majors count 6 subjects. Then I would think 5* is already more than adequate. 5** is harmful and unecessay. I would be horrified if it had been the local universities which asked for such grades to be set up in HKDSE.