小學慘痛經歷

judy

Philip,

一筆還一筆。公務員應否有特權一筆。是否應資助英基，是另一筆。

這位尊貴的議員，就是將政府是不是要資助中產階级和應否資助英基混在一起。

尊 貴 的 議 員 一 輪 嘴 ， 有 佢 講 ， 冇 我 講 ， 於 是 有 聞 必 錄 。 香 港 講 親 育 問 題 ， 由 幼 稚 園 至 大 學 ， 由 私 校 至 國 際 學 校 ， 人 人 有 氣 ， 個 個 有 苦 水 ， 無 處 發 洩 ， 就 一 於 鬧 阿 瑟 王 ， 好 彩 阿 瑟 王 夠 高 大 夠 肥 ， 夠 晒 硬 淨 ， 搵 第 二 個 做 統 局 局 長 ， 都 會 被 壓 扁 。

睇埋呢段，你就知左丁山之立場了。

judy

Philip，

要維護公務員之權益，還是搬出基本法、搬出合約精神好一點。陶傑這篇文章，放在這里辯護並不合適。

WYmom

Philip,

I know you don't agree with me, may be you can just tell me directly what's the reason for taxpayers to subsidize civil servants' kids IS school fees?

I have such complaint as I also want very much to send my kids to IS, seeing that the education system now is more and more unbearable.  IS is not the best, but at least is a better way out.  The standard of local school is becoming worse, so I feel that I need to switch my kids out from local school to IS.  However, the fee is so high in IS that it is really a heavy burden.  However, those civil servants, particularly those education authorities design such a poor education system and standard for the mass public, but will not apply it to their own kids!  Why?  Does it imply that even those govt people believe IS is better than local schools?  Does the school fee subsidy encourage civil servants to send the kids to IS or overseas more? Why can't the local schools use similar model or method as IS? e.g. creative thinking approach?  Why still duck-feeding?

I have all these questions in mind which cannot be answered while I am searching very hard for a "good" school for my girls.  I don't want their fate to be decided by random lucky draw!

I will be very grateful if Philip can resolve my questions above.

WaWaMom

20 years ago, many civil servants or upper class would try their best to famous traditional schools instead of IS? Now, why so many of them prefer IS?

If those EMB decision makers are capable to reform the educational system in a better way, not as many middle class would complain about civil servants’ subsidization. In fact, many of middle class pay standard tax rate and they have to pay for their kids’ schooling due to the poor educational system. That’s one of the factors contribute to the anger of middle class.

Many of this decade’s parents did graduate from oversea. They had the opportunities explore to other type of educational system. By comparing various systems, their experience may tell them which system is a better one. Different people has different point of view and it is fine that they seek for their own choice.

I observed one common HK scenario is: parents keep complaining their kids’ school but still let the kids study over there! No matter how famous the school is, what's the point?  If you find yourself suffer, what do you think about your kids? Definitely they should be the one suffer the most.  Students, parents and schools should work hand in hand. If you don’t feel comfort, just let go!

Should we treasure our kids, not schools?

WaWaMom

Same as beseem2003, I tried to teach my daughter Chinese while she was studying at IS (kg), her reply was ‘All of my friends can speak English, what’s the point to learn Chinese’. Finally, we had to take a trip to mainland China with her. Then, she realizes how important learning Chinese is. That’s one of the reasons I switched her back to local school.

Yes, it is not good that HK people emphasize too much on English only.

I have heard a Caucasian colleague said: “No matter how good my English is, I am only capable to master 1 language. Not like you guys, able to manage 2 languages especially Chinese characters are so hard to learn”. At that moment, I am pretty proud of myself      

WYmom

WaWamom,

Agree with you that Chinese is hard to learn and is very important, but English is also very important in HK and in the world if we are going internationalization.  So we can see more and more DSS and private schools setting up in recent years, emphasizing English and Mandarin.  The problem is, we have to pay very high fees for these services.  In local school, there is no such training, so the kids will lack behind more and more.  Standards of local schools also vary very much, so parents fight so hard to send their kids into those famous top schools. In foreign countries, the mass public enjoys free education and go to school nearby, schools can attain more or less same quality and standard, so there is no such headache of finding good quality school it is in HK. Just don't understand why the govt won't adopt the better way of education in all local schools?  Why still use the very traditional way which is very outdated?   

ykwong

讓我試試代笞:

政府理應只提供基本教育。若能以同樣資源卻能提供你應為的更優質教育，我想沒有人會反對。用有限的資源服務最多的人(事實是全部適齡兒童)便是政府最正確的做法。

想要好少少的，對不起！衹有一個辦法:便是打開自已的銀包。

若我沒記錯，所有公務員都是取相同的本地教育津貼(上限)，並非所有人都讀IS，更多的是中、下價私小及直資。高官與否，並無關連。只關連自已願意從銀包取出多少。

至於為何納稅人要津貼公務員的孑女呢？咁為何納稅人要支付公務員的薪酬呢？福利是薪酬一部份，便是如此簡單。有乜好問！

我想住半山，但又賺唔夠錢供。點解范椒又有得住？點解？關唔關公平事？

若負擔不來又想住半山，想來想去得二個辦法：塭多ｄ錢；等中六合彩，仲要金多寶個隻。

真道啦！平靚正！

PS 死人philip，我咁撐你，上次叫你俾几個number 都唔得 :evil:

judy

至於為何納稅人要津貼公務員子女呢？咁為何納稅人要支付公務員的薪酬呢？福利是薪酬一部份，便是如此簡單。有乜好問！

對，就是這麽簡單，都唔知Philip點解唔答。

TWMa

yk:
答得好, 雖然我覺得公務員享有太高的人工和太好的福利, 因此, 每年納稅也感頗痛和大叫 @$#^%#

真道啦！平靚正！

真唔真啊? 咁你個仔果間又點?
(我真係想搜集多d資料, 因為隔離阿太已提我是時候準備)

ykwong

TWMa,

我個仔o個間算係傳統學校, not her cup of tea！

你個寶貝几大？仔 or 女？

真道，我覺得似廉價既全本土性"國際"學校。若恨讀 IS 又唔夠錢，應是一選擇，但未有"國際性"接軌渠道。

有些人將 IS 納為一類形式，但HKIS 同 CIS; German Swiss 同 AIS；甚至 ESF 的 Bauhinia 同 Island school，都很不同。究竟要邊種，定剩係要 IS？

WYmom

judy 寫道:
[quote]至於為何納稅人要津貼公務員子女呢？咁為何納稅人要支付公務員的薪酬呢？福利是薪酬一部份，便是如此簡單。有乜好問！

對，就是這麽簡單，都唔知Philip點解唔答。

[/quote]

So the "salary + all kinds of subsidy" is always commented to be too much, exceeding market, not worthing the services.  And yet those civil servants still object to salary cut when everyone in private sector has salary cut for a few years already. What a group of selfish and greedy people!

TWMa

yk:
算傳統學校?! 又真係有d Surprise 喎...
我個係女, K2, 你講唔係邊個 "佢" 杯茶啊?!

ykwong

Philipwhau 寫道:
YK,

用努力賺錢住半山好些，哪些橫財對你唔好架！

子非魚，焉知魚之樂！

你咪推三推四。因你而令我住半山，可能亦係上帝o既意旨！

ykwong

講多一句:

與其臨淵羨魚，不如退而結網！

講句公道話，97前經濟大好，雖然公務員都有十几個%人工加，但比起出面仲係爭好遠。不走，為求穩定。這個穩定，不幸地真的發生了。問題是好境時我們只笑他們沒大志，貪途逸樂。逆境時卻要拖埋佢地落水，非君子所為。

衡工量值，好o岩！但為何好境時正義的我們卻不出聲？比人差時才呱呱叫！人性？

我不是公務員，直糸親蜀都冇。

TWMa

講句公道話，97前經濟大好，雖然公務員都有十几個%人工加，但比起出面仲係爭好遠。不走，為求穩定。這個穩定，不幸地真的發生了。問題是好境時我們只笑他們沒大志，貪途逸樂。逆境時卻要拖埋佢地落水，非君子所為。

我有唔同睇法, 但唔講勒

yk:
你問完我又唔再答, 等緊啊
至於真道, 睇完之前的 "大戰" 言論, 話完全唔受影響係假既

ykwong

TWMa,

咁講啦，傳統教學方法，但比較互動，亦容許(可以用縱容) "活潑地" 表達自己。

學業成績算中上(個人意見)，比不上大部份名校。但絕大部份人都讀得很開心。

WaWaMom

WYmom,

Understand your feeling. Don't be upset. I am mad of those policy makers too. However, we can do nothing to twist it. It is true that there is no fairness in the world. Some of my friends get better qualification but earn less than me. Some are not qualified at all but get higher paid. So, if the one suffers the most can live with it, I think I can too. Not sure whether it is silly or not. Anyway, just find a way to make myself happier.

Being parents is not easy. Looking for a school is a pain in a butt. So, just treat it as a kind of challenge.