教師基準試4卷及格率跌新低英文寫作71%教師考生肥佬

cow

I have just taken a look at WChan's indicated web site at hkedicity and found the following errors posted by those (potential) teachers. Usually we should not point out others' errors in language usage posted in internet discussion forum but please treat this as exceptional case.

It is better for you to find some professional supports

As I am NOT an English major student, the purpose of taking LPAT (English) is just strengthening my competition

The two sentences are posted by two (potential) teachers that claimed to have passed the written test. Please remember that these are not careless mistakes.

jocelyn123

Mrssslui,

Your kids will just like you. There are no others but we are the only one to have the right and responsibities to teach our kids to a right track and right attitude towards life. Teachers are only part of it.
Also, I don't believe that learning English is the most important thing that our kids need. They also need to learn appreciating others, cooperate with their classmates......

Be fair to the teachers. I have one friend that got a master. Her degree is 2nd honour up. Her English is definitely good but she still failed in Benchmarking paper 4--speaking. Why? If you haven't taken this Examination, you will never know how tricky the exam is,  even many native speakers can't pass.
Do you think all the English teachrs in the famous schools can get a pass.?

My friend loves kids, every day from 7 to 7 at night and bring a lot of work home. She needs to counseling her students. It uses a lot of time.(at least 2-3 hours each time )She still needs to tick the books of students, to prepare the lessons but the pressure comes from the non-stop studies, upgrade herself. She seems to have no family but actually she has a little goirl at home that she needs to take care. .....  What a pity, she can't following the education reforms(change and change, teachers need time to study the changes), she decides to quit. There are fewer and fewer good teachers under the pressure of the parents, Government.

I prefer my son to have a patient and his teacher loves him. English--each day only has 35 mins in the lesson, I can teach him myself.

littlewoman

wetfoot，
請不要以一竹篙去打一船人，我有朋友是英文老師，亦以靠進修得到基準資格，但他說基準考核範圍非常狹窄，內容的選取亦很有問題。我朋友稱連大學的講師都不認同基準試的syllabus，所以院校提供課程幫助教師得到基準資格，教師亦只可搾取家庭時間、休息時間去換取沒有實際幫助的資格，實在奈何。還有，我朋友與很多老師一樣，雖然是教育學院畢業，但已用四年時間兼讀而取得大學教育學士學位，但仍只是支取文憑教師的人工，因制度上沒有足夠的學位教師教席。我想我們要留意的是整個教育制度和政策的問題，而不要老是把擔子推在老師們的上，我見我朋友每晚零晨二、三時睡覺，第二天六時多又要起床，我問你點頂？

judy

我朋友稱連大學的講師都不認同基準試的syllabus

大學講師有不同之意見十分正常。不表示基準試syllabus有問題。

我朋友與很多老師一樣，雖然是教育學院畢業，但已用四年時間兼讀而取得大學教育學士學位，但仍只是支取文憑教師的人工，因制度上沒有足夠的學位教師教席。

一般来說，教育學院畢業生兼讀教育學士的最多，易過關。而兼讀數學、英文的比較少，因較要求真才實料。另一方面，日校之學生之水準，比夜校的高。

我不知為何教院學生兼讀教育學士要四年。其他科目，讀Poly的去兼讀學士，只需3年時間。而教院學生，要四年。以前，我對教育學院畢業生，又正在兼讀大學的學生有些接觸，以我所見，這批人像極中學生，喜欢抄功課，一到考試時期，必擠到助教和講師辦公室問貼士。張文光建議進修代替基準。精明之校長，一個進修達標，一個考試達標，他選那一個呢？

進修，是為了充實自己。要成為學位教師，必須有學位，但不是說有了學位，就能成為學位教師。現在，連港大Master的學生，也拿文憑教師的人工。這是供求問題，不是制度問題。

我想我們要留意的是整個教育制度和政策的問題，而不要老是把擔子推在老師們的上，我見我朋友每晚零晨二、三時睡覺，第二天六時多又要起床，我問你點頂？

教育制度和政策，有甚麽問題，講来聽吓。好像，現時最反對教改的，是教師。

我們現在在討論教師之能力問題，沒有能力之教師，在任何教育制度和政策下，都是不受歡迎的。

我見我朋友每晚零晨二、三時睡覺，第二天六時多又要起床，我問你點頂？

真係冇得頂，很明顯，是能力問題，最好不要做教師。

judy

Be fair to the teachers. I have one friend that got a master. Her degree is 2nd honour up. Her English is definitely good but she still failed in Benchmarking paper 4--speaking. Why?

YK, stccmc, Philip,

你地英文咁好，何不又參加Benchmark test。如果過不了關，我信得你地，Benchmark test 大有問題。過了關，又可提高0.1%之合格率, 大好了。

judy

Philip,

不如開個新題目：跟Philip學英文。

我是你的fan。

cow

Suggested corrections:

It would be better for you to seek professional help.

As I am NOT an English major student, the purpose of taking LPAT (English) is just to strengthen my competitive ability.

judy

Suggested corrections:

It would be better for you to seek professional help.

As I am NOT an English major student, the purpose of taking LPAT (English) is just to strengthen my competitive ability.

Cow，

忘記邀請你參加基試，如果你參加，可能你比Philip還要高分。不是說你英文比Philip好，而是你的答案，可能更接近Model answer。

Ms.ChanChan

我相信這裡很多家長都是專業人士，大家都面對過不同學會的專業考試亦知道這些考試所題問的內容有時真係唔係咁practical。 但我地可以做到的只係努力應考，屢敗屢戰。 很多會計從業員寒窗苦讀十年仍然在失敗中折騰，但很少聽見他們群起反對專業考試或者覺得考試對佢地唔公平。 繼續進修係獲得專業資格之後更加需要及必須要做的事，而非用"繼續進修"來豁免考試。

cow

大衆會認同你的行業真的是專業，如果:

1. 這行業真的是專業，像醫生。
2. 這行業自己製造大量專業名詞，使外行人難以明白，像律師。

其實專業考試或是豁免考試也好，專業團體一定要碓保註冊會員的水平，繼續進修是用來與時並進，而在註冊成為專業前，一定要有嚴格的規定。

舉例：
律師 - 讀完LLB學位後，要讀一年PCLL，再加一或二年實習。
電機工程師 - 學士 + 碩士學位 + 二年實習 + 二年經驗 + 面試。

wetfoot

最近的發表變，成了互相攻擊，對事情沒有幚助，要知道有子女在學的家長，一定會關心他們的學習，不是要完全依賴老師，但一個老師變得不可信賴，必定是對校方或家長而言，都再無價值。你可能不知道，專業如醫生也規定要年年進修，才可以保住專業資格，否則怎樣能掌握最新的醫療及醫藥技術？有些人覺得，自己已取得一些資格就可以混到退休，而不去考慮可能為學生帶來的壞處，從一些人不願﹝或不認真﹞學習電腦去從事此方面的教學就可見一班，如果醫生都是這想，相信沒人有信心去看那些執業五年以上的醫生，教師的此種觀念實在不值得同情，張X光就是此類人。

Someone prefers to express his view here using English. However, his English is so poor that I really cannot guess what he is saying. If one cannot express effectively using any language, who will respect his comments? Several viewers had English comments posted here; Some are all right. I am not suggesting that we all should be able to write good English before saying anything here. Afterall, this is a casual forum and casual words are acceptable. But if he wants to comment on a topic seriously with such poor English that no one will understand, that is just meaningless.

For the suggested corrections, Philip's proposal is better; some may contain mistakes in their suggestions and the writers obviously do not notice them.

WChan

Jocelyn123 & littlewoman,

我絕對認為不是所有老師都不負責任, 亦好了解現時好多老師都工作時間很長, 面對很沈重既壓力. 我亦相信仍然有好多擁有"春風化雨"使命感既老師好努力咁想教好學生.  不過作為語文老師, 語文既能力就唔可以"求求其", 一代教壞一代, 香港將來仲有咩競爭力呢.  部份老師仍然想盡辦法去逃避或者找十萬個藉口唔想考基準試, 我覺得這種態度係有問題.  沒有人想考試, 但作為專業人仕(都算係架啦), 個個都要考試架啦, 宜家d打工仔個個都要終身學習, 如果唔係一樣比人淘汰, 都一樣要做到好夜, 無晒親子時間.  所以我認為處境我會體諒, 但作為家長"對老師語文能力既要求"係一定要堅持到底.

我常常有visit educity個web-site, 看到某些老師的言論及見解真係令我幾無奈.  有時間大家不妨入去睇吓.

wetfoot

What is "English written ability"? I suppose you mean English writing skill.
"He is the one I met (not meet)"...

池魚只知蝦蟆大，best字不是那麼亂用的，胡亂崇尚名校是有很錯誤的階級觀念，世界之大，多接觸不同的環境才會領略到學而後知不足。

ykwong

ykwong 寫道:
下次我都去考下。有冇門路提供？

我一早都話去考啦！

阿 judy 姐,

有冇發覺最近好多人用英文發表。你咁講 (yk,stccmc,philip..) 想我死咩！英文好，我一定唔敢認。不過如果有機會同得閒，下次去考，然後做個報告比大家。

今日好鬼忙，唔得閒睇各位D 大作，若題目未死，過兩日先加入戰團。