陳守仁英文程度如何

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Hey sushiwwasabi:

You are a bit over-reacting here...sorry if my earlier comments were offensive to you.   As you are obviously overwhelmed by the issue of native English accent (judging from your posts here and elsewhere), I just wanted to let you know plainly that it is really not a big deal if our kids speak with a chinese accent - as long as their english is accurate and fluent.  We have lived in the very conservative parts of the US where Caucasians constitute the major population.  We spent a lot of time overcoming the cultural shock, which presumably included the language difficulties, but we never felt the accent issue was making our lives hard there.  


It is very clear that your child is likely to pick up a native accent only in international schools but you don't want her to be there as they are too "free".   Then you are pressing parents here and other forum to convince you that our schools may offer a chance for your kid to learn native english.  In the case of TSL, you have been repeatedly questioning that students are speaking chinglish - I guess this is more than just expressing personal feelings.  


At any rate, let me reiterate that students in local schools in general don't speak native english.  I believe many TSL parents agree that the school nurtures a stimulating language environment for students to communicate confidently and learn effectively in English.   The issue of native accent is simply not the single most important concern for many of us.  

motherotk

This is also the reality in TSL that quite a lots of kids from Chinese english stream speak "chinglish", including my own kid. No denial at this point, and indeed our family and school is not an international school or an international family, so just accept who I am and who we are. I feel comfortable about that at this point as my kid's english learning does benefit from the existing curriculum and some of the good teachers. Good not necessarily = native speaking ,.Good=caring and professionally sound teachers, knowing how to teach and what to teach, and know how to inspire kids on knowledge enquiry.

flostangraphy

I agree with the other TSL parents' opinion.
sushiwwasabi, if the native accent is where you and your husband's focus into, you maybe disappointed after you put your girl into TSL.
I don't find every P6 student or local teacher in TSL has a prefect americain native accent. ( we do have quite a lot of friends who put there children in the international schools, and my remark is most of them speak really good native american english as they will put a f* word in the sentence from time to time, just like in the american movie.... he he he, it's exaggerated, but it's somehow reality.)

please note that, most of the french stream students are not necessary english native speaker neither, a lot of them are from south asia or other nations rather than U.S. or England, they all have a different accent. take my son as an example, he is one of the rare student in this forum who studies in french stream.
we speak french at home, so our family has a strange accent in speaking either english, chinese or french......  

my son has his best india friend all the time, who has an india english accent as well. but at the end, all I know is my son feels very comfortable to talk to anyone either who is speaking french, english or cantonese. he is the instant translator of my wife and his grand parents.

I agree with you that, for me and my wife, we are more into International school curriculum too, we wanted our children go to international school if we could afford it..... we like the way they free the children's mind, the learning base on understanding and developing. not like the hong kong traditional way of remembering. they allow the children develop in their own speed, not following the whole mass.....

but still, we find TSL is doing the balance quite well. not only on the academic, but also the discipline, the ECA, the self-confidence, the social caring...

we are not any pushy parents.... so our children are not anyway the top of the class, however, we are so happy that they are polite, sensitive, caring and always happy and laughing a lot!
these beyond any knowledge we would ever want to offer them.

just my 2 cents.

motherotk

I understand why some of the non-TSL parents concern this "accent" issue. Probably there are too many "myth" or "incorrect" information go around that TSL is an "international school", that some future parents have this expectations. I think it's fair enough for sushiwwasabi to ask and to clarify.

To clarify and to understand before making any decision is a responsible attitude for parents. I would not "glorify" any school as each school has its strengths as well as limitation. I am happy to provide any information that would help to clarify other parents' concern as a "school user".

My major point: English curriculum is very good, even  if without good english teachers, kids still benefit from the learning. Curriculum design is one of the major parts reflecting school teachers' professional knowledge in learning.

motherotk

Take my son's example, P1-P3, listening and reading, as well as comprehensions, creative writing better than oral english. This may due to their forms of learning, as they are using traditional mode of learning, less interactions between students and teachers, less opportunities for kids to express themselves. But this happened when my son was still in P1-P3. I talked to the teachers and they told me.  I also read the report from EDB on the school,which also reflect the same comments. The report indicated that teachers' skills to facilitate activities based learning can be enhanced. The report also indicated that their langugae learning is good. You may refer to EDB's report.

P4-P5, oral and verbal expression improved with more confidence, especially in P5, probably related to the developmental stage of boys (assume sone boys less expressive than girls), and probably he interactes more with French students (they may be American, Indian, Korean or Japanese), and attend more school activities...I know that more and more enquiry based learnings happen in P4-P5, more and more opportunities for my son to do the projects independenly and to present the projects in class. I found these kinds of learning really helpful for my son's case. He benefited from project learnings. I did not help, all projects have been done independently by the child.

School will not talor-make programs for specific kids, from my experiences, sometimes its good as everybody is treated equally. As parents, you have no stress at all.

This school is quite lay back..that I like it. parents have space and kids have space...

But sometimes, you may need to find out the strengths of your kid to develop those strengths or to work on his limitations as school may not do that for you..as far as I know..and teachers' quality ok la, if compare with other schools, at least the school adm. system is good, curriculum is serious, even if occasionally some teachers are not that good, quality assurance is still there.

I know some schools is poor in adm and with poorly and loosely design curriculum, so you have to depend on your luck, sometimes kids waste their time in classes without good teachers, without good curriculum. As far as I know, this has not happened in my son's learning at this school, even some teachers are not up to my "standard", the curriculum is still there to support the learning...

Hope this helps. Please also share with other parents, they may not having the same experiences as me. My sharing only reflect part of the realities of TSL.