香港教育真的那麼差？

peter_pan

I am not arguing for the Hong Kong educational system - I mistrust it as much as anyone myself.
What I am saying is that perhaps we have over-stereotyped HK students.
We always say that they can only regurgitate facts (& I was of that view too), but I was very surprised that PISA seems to refute that.
We also say that they don't enjoy studying, that they don't pick up a book after school, that their command of languages are poor....etc.
But do we have any objective studies for these?
I know we all say that we know kids like that but we also see kids who are the opposite.
Perhaps we would be surprised by another 'PISA' test that may dispel more of such stereotyped views?
And the fact that HK has done well in PISA, which by the way I don't see as knowledge based, credit should still be given where credit is due.

Kanba

如果PISA成績能夠如實反映一個普通香港中學生的水平，而僱主和大學普遍對我們的中學生的印象不佳的話，這只能說明其他地方的中學生更差。

如果香港中學教育算是世界頂尖，三大大學也執亞洲牛耳，大學生的質素仍然為人詬病，那麼可推想本地中學大學對尖子的栽培不利，教不出一流的人才。這又是事實嗎?

ANChan59

如果香港中學教育算是世界頂尖，三大大學也執亞洲牛耳，大學生的質素仍然為人詬病，那麼可推想本地中學大學對尖子的栽培不利，教不出一流的人才。這又是事實嗎?

Just my two cents:

1. How universities grade their faculties? Teaching or research?Research for students or UGC? What you measure, what you get.......Most the teaching loading in our universities is taken up by teaching assistants.....

2. Most senior executives or bosses critised fresh graduates' performance, not just intellectural level and language proficiency, more on attitudes and inter-personal relationship etc.....

ANChan59

Sorry, next time your turn.... :;pppp:


I am an user of fresh graduates from different universities and heavily involved in professional assessment of some programs in HK universities. It's a straight forward replies to kanba's questions...

I also have some thoughts about PISA tests, but need some time to organise those views.

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-9-18 13:29 編輯 ]

Kanba

ANChan and Stccmc

Thanks for the valuable cents.

Very much agreed. The success factors are attitudes, people relations and intelligence (not just memory of studied materials). These are out of syllabus of the public / school exams.

Kanba

我都係咁話.

我地真係要加強國語英語, 同思考能力. 尤其從小學做起. 唔係我地點值高人地咁多人工.

Yanamami

禁即係話HK教育做不到所謂的"全人教育", 只製造出一群"高分低能"?

judy

Students who attend private schools tend to perform significantly better in the PISA assessments than students who attend public schools; but students in public schools in a similar socio-economic context as private schools tend to do equally well.

無他，根正苗紅，在咁多數据面前，唔接受都唔得。

記得嗰本<<怪誕經濟學>>有一章研究父母選校。佢發覺，有去參加選校的父母，其子士就算入唔到名校，在普通學校就學，成績也不差於名校的。我常用此例子為自勉和鼓勵他人：父母重視教育，仔女差極有個譜。

昨天又和阿大阿二去打波，阿二運動天份只有40分左右。但我睇阿大和阿二對打，如果阿大唔一拍打死佢嘅話，阿二前前後後、左左右右，高波、吊波、平推波、网前波有紋有路，比其他場的大人打得好睇好多。呢啲咪父母嘅心機囉。

BK一直有這樣的神話：國際學校，特別是GSIS，要比本地學校優勝，而似乎已變成公理，無需証明。真的如此？

PISA有研究指出，香港之所以成績优良，原因之一就是厚薪吸引，招聘优秀人材為教師。以前，香港的教師(中學)，幾乎是最top 5%的人材，現時，不知是不是了。我記得，PISA好似認為教師應是top 10%的人材才好。所以，就人材來說，我估以前的津校，特別是名校，就師資來說，一定唔差於另類學校。

以公開試來說，我讀書的年代，滙價對比是HKCEE的C等同英國試的A。現時聽講HKCEE的D-C等同英國試的A。不過點都好，如果以公開試來比的話，我估主流學校的考試專家點都唔差過另類學校的。

當然，另類學校的确有其优勢，因錢多的關係，可提供更多選擇給學生。打個比喻，M記的包都食得過，平平地20+，點解咁平，獨沽一味也。但在大洒店吃一個同樣的包，價錢就貴好多:分分鐘成個月得一個人點，佢又有揾個識做包嘅，又要keep咁多料，唔貴就假。

另一方面，讀另類學校的确輕鬆啲，至於點解輕鬆，我想最重要是家長多米啲，升学選擇自然多啲。主流學校嘅學生，主要瞄着三大，自然要拚命了。主流學校點解要多測多考，當然有其原因和好壞，唔講啦。

後記：幾個月前，有人請大少去中環吃美芝蓮評為二星級嘅法國餐廳吃法式東波肉，大少吃完大叫揾笨，佢話同屋企嘅差唔多，最多係好少少。

judy

If 香港的教師是最top 5% (or even 10%) 的人材, then we would have less of a problem. It's because the quality of teachers makes a lot of difference.

我寫錯，應是最高學歷嗰5%人材。以前能進入大學的，大概係佔5%到。

mattsmum

硬件（學歷）也許差不多，軟件（工作經驗、職業道德感的培養）要看在那出身。畢業就回去本地的一樣學不到。