評論宗教分、舊生分優先入學制

Charlotte_mom

其實真係好難去come up with一個完全公平既方法, 但作為家長, 真係見到李國章個樣都火起, arm既, 如果俾學校自主, 想收返自己既宗教, 自己既舊生仔女, 好正常, 問題係而家係"政府"去攪, 咁係咪個focus應該係幫學生唸, 唔係幫學校唸呢?
我屋企無宗教, 我亦唔會為左派位而去信教, 有人為左果5分而choose to信教, 佢有心去呃而achieve到, fine! 但我去考d"無宗教背景學校"時, 係咪應該俾返5分我呢?
我同事以前間小學, 而家變左直資, 佢afford唔起交學費, 所以一定要去津校/官校(你話邊有公平?), 咁佢無左果十分, 邊個可憐佢呀?
我第一個係女, 如果派左間女校, 咁我第二個如果係女就直入, 如果係仔呢, 得零分, 咁仲有得考咩? <--呢個我相信係好common既個案jer, 點解d官員唸唔到?
所以我成日都話, 做人幾時都要靠自己, 慳返啖氣, 考私校好過, 起碼好好羞羞, 都係自己應得既

happyeasy

Philipwhau,

According to the website of Equal Opportunities Commission, the P1 allocation system does not seem to fall into their ambit.

平等機會委員會是一個法定機構，於1996年成立，負責執行《性別歧視條例》、《殘疾歧視條例》及《家庭崗位歧視條例》。
委員會致力消除基於性別、婚姻狀況、懷孕、殘疾及家庭崗位而產生的歧視。此外，委員會亦致力消除性騷擾及基於殘疾的騷擾及中傷行為，促進男女之間、傷健之間、有家庭崗位和沒有家庭崗位人士之間的平等機會。

They have a case regarding the secondary school place allocation.
平等機會委員會(委員會)對高等法院宣告「中學學位分配辦法」違法一事，表示歡迎。
at http://www.eoc.org.hk/CC/case/index.htm

But I don't think they would accept our complaint regarding the P1 allocation system (some parents might have done so before).

Anyway, I can't find reasons to justify the P1 allocation system (esp the 5 marks for alumni which makes the whole system unfair).  I have sent a written enquiry to Education and Manpower Bureau for clarification.  They should have received thousands of such written complaints before.  Just want to know their arguments.  Let's wait for their reply.

happyeasy

lamba

tt2001 寫道:
有一種case仲吾公平。
我舅父有兩女，大女相當不幸，出世便是嚴重弱智，要一世(訓)床，當然冇書讀。細女完全正常，聰明乖考，但考小一又冇首名子女分，又冇世襲分。

no, the 2nd daughter can claim the 5 marks as first kid under the current regulation .

lamba

the current system simply encourages

>> 幫小孩入教 ( I don't think this is fair to the kids even their parents have religions , 信唔信教應由自己決定,父母亦不應代為決定 )

>> 借地址抽籤 ( net 41 is the most serious and so is net 40 now for Ying Wa Primary )

happyeasy

加多句﹕
大抽獎係最不公平，又最公平的做法，但係父母舊生5分就令到公平的做法变得不公平(或不公平的做法更不公平)，這是明顯嘅世襲制，我找不到理由。兄弟姊妹5分我明白原因，地區我明白原因，但舊生及宗教分我實在無法信服。

淑筠媽咪

我都覺得父母舊生個十分真係冇理由.父母都畢業咁耐.點解重有分.

so.san

對呀, 我留番我仔女自己決定信唔信! 我無拎佢地去領洗, 因為我信, 我會入地獄. 因為如果我個女去領洗, 加埋舊生分, 佢可以入到名校!!! 不過我唔會啦, 入唔番咪入其他學校lor, 唔駛死.

講番個仔, 佢爸爸間小學執o左笠啦, 變o左另一間小學, 佢地話唔會當爸爸係舊生 "因為佢從來無在我們這裡讀過!" 咁對我個仔好唔fair! 邊個可以俾番10分佢???

happyeasy

Before I compromise, please justify the point raised by Flowerglassy:

宗教學校為何不多收非教徒，使他們的教義和教徒更壯大？

stccmc 寫道:
"但舊生及宗教分我實在無法信服"

宗教教育團體對教育的貢獻和影響力非常大, 要妥協

ykwong

"In education, we have to think about the contribution the churches/religions organizations make to the education of HK people in the last hundreds of year and their influence today in HK."

stccmc,

Is that my memory going wrong again? I remember that you strongly oppose to the 5 religious mark before. How come your change?

麟媽媽

嘻嘻~~ stccmc兄，我都記得喎….因咩轉呔呢？

ykwong 寫道:
"In education, we have to think about the contribution the churches/religions organizations make to the education of HK people in the last hundreds of year and their influence today in HK."

stccmc,

Is that my memory going wrong again? I remember that you strongly oppose to the 5 religious mark before. How come your change?

KLN

so.san 寫道:
對呀, 我留番我仔女自己決定信唔信! 我無拎佢地去領洗, 因為我信, 我會入地獄. 因為如果我個女去領洗, 加埋舊生分, 佢可以入到名校!!! 不過我唔會啦, 入唔番咪入其他學校lor, 唔駛死.

講番個仔, 佢爸爸間小學執o左笠啦, 變o左另一間小學, 佢地話唔會當爸爸係舊生 "因為佢從來無在我們這裡讀過!" 咁對我個仔好唔fair! 邊個可以俾番10分佢???

孩子們不錯有信仰自由，但不第一時間給予信仰的訊息，就是沒盡公教家長的責任。

happyeasy

KLN,

我估你有信仰，可否給我理由去解釋"宗教學校為何不多收非教徒，使他們的教義和教徒更壯大？"，不是挑戰信仰，真的是因為找不到理由。除非宗教5分係教统局所定，非教會所求。

ykwong

stccmc,

我重以為我的"偉論"改變了你的看法添！開心得我丫。

lamba

>>.>但不第一時間給予信仰的訊息，就是沒盡公教家長的責任

this is not equal to bring them to baptise when they are still small kids!


you can bring them to church and let them feel the atmosphere there and learn the message there !

BUT the most important is to let them decide themselves !