Logos and La Salle ?

YeeOnMama

Hi! didima,

我的兒子也在九月時interview Logos, 不過並沒有2nd interview. 不錯, 從Dr. Yau的表述和介紹他們的辦學理念, I really impressed and agree their missions and views. 不過我同意Logos 始終太新了, 還未有顯著的成績可見, 選擇Logos的家長必須對她懷有極大信心, 認同和積極参與, 我指配合校方的教育方向要求. 我真誠的盼望香港會有以這種辦學理念又成功的例子, 不斷出現.

我兒子是那種比較平凡,被動但乖巧的孩子, 不怕較多約束和指引, 這還會有助他快捷地學習, 所以我會選La Salle

題外話, 我介紹您睇一本書, 我讀了兩篇, 它改變了以往我對孩子教育的謬誤, 我深信它對其他BK 家長同樣有意思. 家庭教育比學校教育更要緊!!!

賞識你的孩子--- 周弘著(以琳書室有售, 在力寶中心一座和太古城吉之島內)   

cow

It's really hard to make decision if you like the concept of Logos, otherwise you can easily make decision as most parents that would have already chosen La Salle.

If you ask 10 people, most likely only the eleventh will tell you to choose Logos.

As a Logos' parent I buy the concept of Logos. However, there are still much rooms for it to improve. If you got some friends whose kids are studying in Logos, please take to them to understand more.

Choose La Salle, secure
Choose Logos, uncertainty
Two paths may be much different but utimately may still got the same results.

Agree with 武航 that Logos is still hard to compare with LaSalle from the stand point of their histories, reputations, [x]resources[x], alumnis, social status......
except the resources

didima

hi cow:
thanks for your sharing, i will seriously to make my decision, for me, is very difficult to choose

didima

武航, yeeonMama:
thanks for your sharing
didima

AKAK

I also agree with Cow's view.  I'm also a parent of Logos' and I also agree that there are still a lot of things need to be improved!?  Where is the kids' tuck shop?

Also, what's your kid's character?  Active or passive?  In Logos, it'd be best to be active.

didima

AKAK:
my kid is active if you want him active  if you want him sit  2 hours . he can sit 2 hours ,但他的理解力好過表達,
我難揀,係覺得責任很重,驚揀錯,自己揀科都無咁大壓力
didima

didima

Zoey:
thanks for your sharing

AKAK

Didima,

Same situation as my son..may be he's more worse cos he also doesn't have confidence in himself.  I think La Salle would be better suit your son if he can't express very well himself.

Because of the above problems, my son was always considered to be those didn't have good abilities.  He didn't have confidence to answer/raise any questions.  When teachers asked him question, he just not answered.  Therefore it misleaded teachers to think that he didn't know the answer.  As a result, there was no satisfiction to him (but he still felt happy at school).  His formal class teacher observed the problems and also advised that he had to be more active and express himself more as that's the school style.

The situation seems now better cos Logos have grouped those of similar level (two years after..) in the same class so now he is trying to open his mind and to raise/answer questions...

I think, as La Salle's level is high, you can always consider to change your son to Logos or other schools after 1 or 2 years later if you find he doesn't suit that school?  It'd be harder to do it the other way round cos Logos' still green and no reference of students academy level as yet...

Janema

didima,

I don't think a boy who is not confident, not active or can't express himself very well is more suitable to study in La Salle than other schools. On the contrary, La Salle boys are on the whole very confident and active.

Some of the most important factors you should consider are the culture, mission and vision of the school. It is not the school to fit your kid but rather, it is the school to mould your kid. Try visit the schools more with your kid and look for yourselves before you make your decision! Once you have made up your mind, go ahead and never regret. Let your kid be proud of his school in the years to come and let the school be proud of your kid when he leaves school.

May your wish come true!

Janema

AKAK

Didima,

Per Janema, I think you need to consider it more carefully.  I'm not very clear about the situation at La Salle but as a parent of Logos', I can see if the kid can't express himself very well and doesn't have confidence to speak out would no doubt cause problems to his study in the school.  However, from the point of view of a kid, I think they like the style of Logos as it's more relaxing (and for most of the time you do not know what they have learnt in the school cos there is no text book or workbook so you can't really get any clues, especially in P.1/2 as kids can't tell).  But from the point of view of a parent, La Salle may be better as the school has been well established and organised.

Good luck!

didima

hi Janema and AKAK:
thanks for your sharing,
其實Logos我兒仍未知是否取錄,如落選,我便再揀La salle同DBSPD
我是擔心入Logos後catch up唔倒佢的要求,因小兒的師兄現讀p.1,據他媽媽說,數學堂己要解和証
Logos同DBSPD則可能會我唔知佢學佐d乜的情況出現,
而La Salle則我擔心太多功課阻了小兒其他發展,band 1 school耍有所保持,但我明白對學生一定會tough
可能你地會話,3間都己經好好,呢d都話唔讀,想點
所以大家的意見,令我集思廣益

另方面,各位知道三所學校對體育,特別是游水如何培訓呢?
didima

AKAK

I think, no matter it's Logos, La Salle or DBSPD or any other schools, there must be "pros" and "cons" so it's difficult to make a comparison (it's a hard job to be the parents!).  I think one of the issues you need to consider would be whether your son can handle that school...what kind of kindergarten he's studying?  e.g. active or "heavy workload" type?  Can he handle it?  Is he happy?

If you choose Logos (in case your kid is accepted by them), one thing I'd like to say is that it'd be difficult for him to change back to traditional school like La Salle etc as the enviornment and atmosphere at Logos are very different...

FYI, we've got the assesment report from the school and met the teacher today.  The teacher said my son is too quiet in the school but he found that my son does "receive" what has been taught a day and he thinks that he has potential to be better.  The teacher said there are also a few other kids in the same class having the same "problem".  The teacher said the kids have to learn to express themselves more.  So, this is fyi (and is my personal opinion only) and hope it can help you to make a decision..

didima

wunma:
希望無演繹錯,例如一條9+6=15的數題,需要小朋友去解釋點解是15,另外是如何証明是15

didima

didima

Planet:
yes,but i can not express more detail, sorry
didima

didima

hi AKAK:
my kid is study  in one happy kindergarden , no stress, creative  and little homework , h e is very happy, the school is in hk side

well,my kid like thinking more than express,性格係咁

上次DBSPD,他說10個小朋友都好乖,他說個個都好似想讀這間學校似的,又如上次去HKUGA interview,佢會話佢表現唔好,會唔會無小學讀,之後的interview,他說自己幾好,
他說話不多,最多講的便是點解,我收集了各位寶貴意見,會好好考慮,希望無揀錯

didima

武航

First of all, I would like to declare that I am also a Logo's parent and I like this school very much.  I have a similar dilemma 3 years ago – MunSang vs Logo. (greater extend of headache if it was La Salle)  I went for Logo finally with the reasons stated later.  May be my information here contains my personal perception.  Let's share anyway.  
Back to Sep/01/2002, there were 20 something students joint Logo with the feelings of reborn.  One of them was my nephew who was from St. Jo__ph.  Those kids were actually P2 students of the named famous schools.  Most of them were talented but too active.  Their parents were willing to let their kids repeat at Logo because the traditional method/pressure killed their interests at their 1st year battles in the big brands.  My nephew expresses to me that he go through hell and heaven.  Other than my nephew, I know some of them at the birthday gatherings.  My son tells me that those repeaters seem enjoying the new school very much and their academic results sound good.
I am not saying that Logo is superior to those big brands.  It's still a long way for her to improve.  As mentioned, I still believe La Salles is one of the best in town.  The hardware is even the best of the best.  (To Cow: in my previous post, I should use "Hardware" rather than "resources".  It's no doubt that Logo is still hard to compare in term of hardware.  Sorry for my misleading).
If you go for Logo finally, please make sure that you believe its concept.  Since the traditional method of some big brands are being proven, those students who can "迫迫下就迫得黎" should better follow the old methods with less risk.  If your kid bear no pressure or even resist pressure, I doubt you may seek for the alternative ways like the 20 repeaters after years.

For me, I don't like the traditional method although it's a hard fact that the method can generate no. of “狀元” yearly.  However, don't you have friends or kids of friends who studied aboard?  Ask them how're their primary life!  We may get quite identical answers that they enjoy their primary educations very much.  The “填鴨” style is only be found in HK.  Why do those American primary students enjoy their school life so much but not the HK's?  They don't have much homework, not many exams, no pressure.  Did HK's education level superior to the USA's in general then?  We can see the materials (kids, school), and we can see their outcomes.  The values of the western education systems are also being proven.  Why should we query the process then?  If both the ways (traditional & western) are proven but the traditional have a harder process, why should we choose a harder way for our kids?  Let them enjoy their childhoods!!

Last but not least, it's my personal opinion.  The finally vote is still on your hand.

The following article is copied from another forum/topic which I think it is innovative.  

看看無妨~~美國的小學教育

當我把九歲的兒子帶到美國，送他進那所離公寓不遠的美國小學的時候，我就像是把自己最心愛的東西交給了一個我並不信任的人去保管，終日憂心忡忡。這是一種什麼樣的學校啊！學生可以在課堂上放聲大笑，每天至少讓學生玩二個小時，下午不到三點就放學回家，最讓我大開眼界的是沒有教科書。

那個金髮碧眼的美國女教師看見了我兒子帶去的中國小學四年級課本後，溫文爾雅地說：「我可以告訴你，六年級以前，他的數學不用學了！」面對她充滿善意的笑臉，我就像挨了一悶棍。一時間，真懷疑把兒子帶到美國來是不是幹了一生最蠢的一件事。

日子一天一天過去，看著兒子每天背著空空的書包興高采烈的去上學，我的心就止不住一片哀傷。在中國，他從小學一年級開始，書包就滿滿的、沉沉的，從一年級到四年級換了三個書包，一個比一個大，讓人感到「知識」的重量在增加。而在美國，他沒了負擔，這能叫上學嗎？一個學期過去了，把兒子叫到面前，問他美國學校給他最深的印象是什麼，他笑著給我一句美國英語：「自由！」這兩個字像磚頭一樣拍在我的腦門上。

此時，真是一片深情懷念中國教育。似乎更深刻地理解了為什麼中國孩子老是能在國際上拿奧林匹克學習競賽的金牌。不過，事已致此，也只能聽天由命。

不知不覺一年過去了，兒子的英語長進不少，放學之後也不直接回家了，而是常去圖書館，不時就背回一大書包的書來。問他一次借這麼多書幹什麼，他一邊看著借來的書一邊打著電腦，頭也不抬地說：「作業。」

這叫作業嗎？一看孩子打在電腦螢幕上的標題，我真有些哭笑不得－－《中國的昨天和今天》，這樣大的題目，即使是博士，敢去做嗎？於是我嚴聲厲色地問是誰的主意，兒子坦然相告：老師說美國是移民國家，讓每個同學寫一篇介紹自己祖先生活的國度的文章。要求概括這個國家的歷史、地理、文化，分析它與美國的不同，說明自己的看法。我聽了，連嘆息的力氣也沒有了，我真不知道讓一個十歲的孩子去做這樣一個連成年人也未必能做的工程，會是一種什麼結果？只覺得一個十歲的孩子如果被教育得不知天高地厚，以後恐怕是連吃飯的本事也沒有了。

過了幾天，兒子就完成了這篇作業。沒想到，列印出來的是一本二十多頁的小冊子。從九曲黃河到象形文字，從絲路到五星紅旗……熱熱鬧鬧。我沒贊成，也沒批評，因為我自己有點發楞，一是因為我看見兒子把這篇文了章與節，二是在文章最後列出了參考書目。我想，這是我讀研究生之後才運用的寫作方式，那時，我三十歲。

不久，兒子的另一篇作文又出來了。這次是《我怎麼看人類文化》。如果說上次的作業還有範圍可循，這次真可謂不著邊際了。兒子真誠地問我：「餃子是文化嗎？」為了不耽誤後代，我只好和兒子一起查閱權威的工具書。費了一番氣力，我們完成了從抽象到具體又從具體到抽象的反反覆覆的折騰，兒子又是幾個晚上坐在電腦前煞有介事地作文章。我看他那專心致志的樣子，不禁心中苦笑，一個小學生，怎麼去理解「文化」這個內涵無限豐富而外延又無法確定的概念呢？但願對「吃」興趣無窮的兒子別在餃子、包子上大作文章。

在美國教育中已經變得無拘無束的兒子無疑是把文章作出來了，這次列印出來的是十頁，又是自己的封面，文章後面又列著一本本的參考書。他洋洋得意地對我說：「你說什麼是文化？其實超簡單－－就是人創造出來讓人享受的一切。」那自信的樣子，似乎發現了別人沒能發現的真理。

後來，孩子把老師看過的作業帶回來，上面有老師的批語：「我安排本次作業的初衷是讓孩子們開闊眼界，活躍思維，而讀他們作業的結果，往往是我進入了我希望孩子入的境界。」問兒子這批語是什麼意思。兒子說，老師沒為我們感到驕傲，但是她為我們感到震驚。「是不是？」兒子問我。我無言以對，我覺得這孩子怎麼一下子懂了這麼多事？再一想，也難怪，連文化的題目都敢作的孩子，還有什麼不敢斷言的事嗎？

兒子六年級快結束時，老師留給他們的作業是一串關於「二次世界大戰」的問題。「你認為誰對這場戰爭負有責任？」「你認為納粹德國失敗的原因是什麼？」「如果你是杜魯門總統的高級顧問，你將對美國投原子彈持什麼態度？」「你是否認為當時只有投放原子彈一個辦法去結束戰爭？」「你認為今天避免戰爭的最好辦法是什麼？」－－如果是兩年前，見到這種問題，我肯定會抱怨：這哪是作業，分明是競選參議員的前期訓練！而此時，我已經能平心靜氣地循思其中的道理了。

學校和老師正式在這一個個設問之中，向孩子們傳輸一種人道主義的價值觀，引導孩子們去關注人類的命運，讓孩子們學習思考重大問題的方法。這些問題在課堂上都沒有標準答案，它的答案，有些可能需要孩子們用一生去尋索。看著十二歲的兒子為完成這些作業興致勃勃地看書查資料的?

武航

One more article that I deelpy want to share with all the parents although it is out of the topic.  Sorry Didima.

第一次參加家長會，幼兒園的老師說：「你的兒子有多動症，在板凳上連三分鐘都座不了，你最好帶他去醫院看一看。」

回家的路上，兒子問她老師都說了些什麼，她鼻子一酸，差點流下淚來。因為全班30位小朋友，惟有他表現最差；惟有對他，老師表現出不屑。然而她還是告訴她的兒子：「老師表揚你了，說寶寶原來在板凳上坐不了一分鐘，現在能坐三分鐘了。其他的媽媽都非常羨慕媽媽，因為全班只有寶寶進步了。」

那天晚上，她兒子破天荒吃了兩碗米飯，並且沒讓她餵兒子上小學了。家長會上，老師說：「全班50名同學，這次數學考試，你兒子排第40名，我們懷疑他智力上有些障礙，您最好能帶他去醫院查一查。」

回去的路上，她流下了淚。然而，當她回到家裡，卻對坐在桌前的兒子說：「老師對你充滿信心。他說了，你並不是個笨孩子，只要能細心些，會超過你的同桌，這次你的同桌排在21名。」

說這話時，她發現，兒子黯淡的眼神一下子充滿了光，沮喪的臉也一下子舒展開來。她甚至發現，兒子溫順得讓她吃驚，好像長大了許多。第二天上學時，去得比平時都要早。
  
孩子上了初中，又一次家長會。她坐在兒子的座位上，等著老師點她兒子的名字，因每次家長會，她兒子的名字在差生的行列中總是被點到。然而，這次卻出乎她的預料，直到結束，都沒聽到。她有些不習慣。臨別，去問老師，老師告訴她：「按你兒子現在的成績，考重點高中有點危險。」

她懷著驚喜的心情走出校門，此時她發現兒子在等她。路上她扶著兒子的肩，心裡有一種說不出的甜蜜，她告訴兒子：「班主任對你非常滿意，他說了，只要你努力，很有希望考上重點高中。」

高中畢業了。第一批大學錄取通知書下達時，學校打電話讓她兒子到學校去一趟。她有一種預感，她兒子被清華錄取了，因為在報考時，她給兒子說過，她相信他能考取這所學校。

他兒子從學校回來，把一封印有清華大學招生辦公室的特快專遞交到她的手，突然轉身跑到自己的房間裡大哭起來。邊哭邊說：「媽媽，我知道我不是個聰明的孩子，可是，這個世界上只有你能欣賞我……」這時，她悲喜交加，再也按捺不住十幾年來凝聚在心中的淚水，任它打在手中的信封上。

didima

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