怎樣才算資優呢?

faith

   "It depends on how you bring out and maximize
their potential ( a nuture approach to develop gifted children ) "
      意思是不是個個人的潛能都一樣？如果潛能唔同，原因何在？那是天生？遺傳的？又請問遺傳學是甚 麼意思？

如果沒有誤會你的意思，那麼是否意味著我可以發達啦？我真的很需要錢架，那一位媽咪想她們未夠四歲的孩子會算三個位加減混合數，會算三個位乘一個位，和簡單除數的(當然還識簡單應用題)，請pm我，滿三歲就可以，不過請在三歲前背識乘數表，我也可以幫你訓練的----方法就是我俾本書佢自己背就得了，不過要我那本先得架。。
至於數學，絕對放心，唔駛點做練習自然識架，只要叫你阿仔自己睇教育電視就得，不過要睇我家部電視先得架，不過事先聲明，我只會用教我阿仔的方法和時間，但一年親自教導計算技巧的時間不到兩小時，如果不成功都要俾錢架，不過依我的方法，我阿仔都得，應該個個都得架。

再唔係，一出世就給我教吧....不過事先聲明，我的家務很多，也不會給你的孩子參加任何開發幼兒潛能的course，自己也無根據任何教學法或特別教具去教小朋友架，但我阿仔都得，個個都得架啦﹗唔駛擔心....

想唔到我阿媽教得我咁叻，可以教小朋友教得咁叻，但點解我小學時數學時常食蛋架？唔明阿媽點教的，一定係佢唔盡責任發倔我的潛能，一定係佢無俾教育電視我睇，無用兩小時教我，但點解我姐一教就識？我阿媽一定係偏心，連"一教"都唔俾我.....真唔公平﹗

還是每個人的潛能都唔同呢？為何唔同？和天生潛能同或遺傳一點關係都無？有無人答到我呀？如果有，不過所舉的"真理"唔好好似達爾文的進化論咁，他自己研究出來都推翻了，但人們後人們仍言之鑿鑿的視之為真理，拿來爭辯

有興趣俾我教仔的媽媽記得pm我﹗我好需要money，我絕對會用教阿仔的方式和時間一模一樣咁教架﹗

SLI

Dear Faith:

Sorry to step on your nerve to create such a vigorous response.

I just wish to share my own learning and experience .  Since this good wish doesn't seem to be welcomed , I don't think I should bother to elaborate any more.

My years of working experience, Master level education and training taught me to be open-minded to critically analyse new things and to make sense. I've also trained many children and parents to bring out their potential at preschool level , a lot of them are very satisfied with my work. Dr. Glenn Doman and Dr. Shichida are my teachers, you can take a good look of their respectful work in developing children's potential at preschool level at www.iahp.org or www.shichida.jp.ne  .

As a matter of fact, I've more students that I can handle and since you're so hungry for money, I won't mind to introduce them to you . But you've to convince me why to do so and them to pay for your expertise, any theoretical support and previous successful references (other than your own child).

I've well and brain-injured students, and also students with learning disabilities and emotional/behavoiral problems , which ones you think you can handle then ? I'm sure that  you can get rich if you can handle them all !!

faith

我想你還是不明白我的意思，可能是我的語文能力不好吧？
只是人愈來愈老，覺得人世間的事很多都沒有絕對的，你覺得我有完全推翻你論點嗎？但當然也不敢苟同，我不是用達爾文這個故事表達了我的看法嗎？
只要覺得適合自己的，咪去做囉﹗我兩個叔叔都是博士，我也一點都不覺得他們在那個領域中有甚麼權威性，....有時，可能一個三歲小朋友看的事物仲清晰，因為事情本來就很簡單，大人把在一點上畫一個圈，然後又返回起點。

不過，只要你也相信直覺，而不完全把所有事建基於那些其實未必是絕對的理論研究上，去問問那些有聰明孩子的父母，就知道他們的孩子的智慧是否只單靠培養而完全抹煞了先天的遺傳了。
有沒有發覺，那以前所建立研宄出來的理論，又會被別人推翻，之後又會被另一些人推翻，周而復始︳生生不息，那麼我們信得邊個呢？yes----GOD﹗所以自然有所保留，你明唔明白我們這些沒有得到栽培的人的苦惱----信得邊個？

等我扮下資優的性格特徵先----我正在挑戰權威？       我有點 :arrow:     了﹗

davis

faith,

can you explain what are you trying to say? I don't think anyone here can understand.

do you support offering early training or not?

faith

DEAR DAVIS
       我都講過我語文能力不好，但我相信或許有人會明白的，對不起，我喜歡看詩，所以寫出來的夬東西都好似睇詩咁難明。
    簡單的說，我"認為"天才在某程度上可以訓練，但不同的人在同一個環境，在同一個教導方和相同栽培下，就可能有很大的差異了，先天的氣質，學習能力不能抹煞。但由於世事沒有絕對，我只可以說我自己覺得，以及對所有理論都應存保留態度，這樣說明不明白呀？    開心下啦﹗

faith

DEAR SLI可
SORRY，我的言論可能有點令人覺得不舒服，太轉彎抹角。
我的英文也很差，真的，其實可能我也誤會了你的意思，請多見諒，多多見諒。
我想，其實我個人認為的”資優”並不是指 “成就” 、”成果”，可能每個人對這個定義不同，我認為的 “資優”，是其天生有某種氣質，有股不尋常的學習動機、和探索事物的好奇心，甚至有種尋根究底的慾望，自動自發的努力。至於到來頭來的IQ分數、取甚麼大獎，這種成就和偉大結果”並不代表甚麼。因為所謂的資優也需要培訓呀，對不？的是邏輯推理也可以訓練出來，我絕不會否定。但想問的是，你是否意味你否定所有遺傳的可能？我最終其實只想知道這個答案﹗

fannychoi

唔一定

fannychoi

好高深

nov03bb

SLI 寫道:
Re: 怎樣才算資優呢?
.....I've been using Doman's program of early child development in physical and cognitive aspects on my son since he was 3 months old.  Now he is 18 months, he can walk and run, fast and steady. He loves to read all kinds of printed media, can speak more than 100 vocab. and many phrases/ sentences in Cantonese , about 20 words in English and a few words in Mandarin. Basically he is a happy, smart  and charming baby . I'm not saying all these to show off or benchmark myself , but accrediting to the early development program !

Dear SLI,

Would you share more details about Doman's program of early child development in physical and cognitive aspects (是否等如如何令寶寶更聰明, 如何教寶寶閱讀/數學/百科...?)

My son is one year old now, I am interested in any theory, approach, etc. that it is useful and good for me to develop my son.

Are you a social worker? or psychologist, I studied the introduction to psychology and social psychology ten year ago, in that time, Howard Gardner's Multiple Intelligence Theory was not appeared, I heard only what called "三鼎智慧" in an article. Gifted children is an outcome of environmental factor or inheritance, it is still a debate, and no conclusion at that time.  How about now? (sorry, my eng is not well, hope you understand what I mean)  

我睇了半本"如何令寶寶更聰明", 我很相信作者的分析. 杜曼沒有否認遺傳的因素, 只是強調人人天生已是一粒天才的種子, 在於我們有沒有在關鍵時期, 即出生的頭6年加以裁培. 即使有殘障的兒童經訓練後能比正常兒童有更好的閱讀等等的能力, ... 作者說, 用於正常兒童也能湊效, 我想, 假如真的有遺傳因素, 那麼, 分別是能令這些兒童更事半功陪地開發大腦的潛能, 大腦的潛能可以發揮到何種境界, 端視出生後如何裁培而已, 假設孩子是資優, 如你不加以裁培, ....又如何???  所以:

天才/(資優)/(種子)= [遺傳 + 環境因素] x 裁培

nov03bb :wink:

S

"The Flynn effect is the continued year-on-year rise of IQ test scores, an effect seen in all parts of the world, although at greatly varying rates. It is named after New Zealand political scientist James R. Flynn, its discoverer. The average rate of rise seems to be around three IQ points per decade.

The Flynn effect is a perplexing phenomenon for those who believe that IQ tests represent a true measure of human intelligence, as it would suggest that people today are in general considerably more intelligent than those of previous generations. Flynn himself does not believe this to be the case. It is conceivable that something about modern society (the greater need for abstract thinking, presence of computers, more visually-oriented culture) is responsible.

Better nutrition has been proposed as a factor. However, there is evidence from Scandinavian countries that IQ scores rose even more, 20 points per generation, following the austerity of occupation during World War II. Another possible explanation is that people are maturing faster, so that, for example, a ten year old today may have the mental age that a twelve year old had sixty years ago, although this may also be ultimately due to nutrition."

hrsccky

非常同意nov03bb！！

SLI

nov03bb,

The genes (inborn) decide the max. level that each one of us can achieve (ceiling) and satistics told us that the variation among 80% of us is less than 10%. Since it's inborn and we can do nothing about it( at least at the present technology level) , so why not focus on something that we can do and make change, like early development program. If one's natural potential is 90% but get poorly develop ( say 50% , then the overall result is 45% ), whereas a 80% talented child who get a well-developed program and achieve 80% ( the overall result is 64% ) . It's obvious who has brought out higher potential out and for such reason I said the environmental development and stimulation that really crucial and matter !


The right brain potential has several inborn talents like photograhic memory ( like digital camera to memorise things that we've seen ) , thunder-speed calculation power that is faster than a computer !
You may have doubts about these natural gifts , as I did also before I witnessed the performance of trained children in US and Japan. They can speed-read and memorise the whole page of text ( A4 size) within 1 minute , recite the whole page and get 100% correct ! They could also perform mathematical calculations and shouted out the answers right after the question has been finished saying to them (of course they're correctwith checking of calculators etc.)  I don't expect you would believe in all these and please keep an open mind to critically find out and analyse what the truth is and what suits your kid most .

The early development program which I adopted was devised from Glenn Doman's course at USA , I added some elements from Dr. Shichida's teachings too !

The most amazing thing is my son learns to speak so fast that I find it hard to keep record of what he has learnt (manily Cantonese, which I believe he picks up subconsiously from our daily conversation ) . Therefore I decided to enrich his program to include Mandarin & English sessions as well !

The 4 books of Doman are a good starting point and Doman advises parents to tailor-make and do the program at home to your kid. He proposes to train preschoolers in :

1. Cognitive  :  -  Language * Chinese / English / or any other language you find fit, but one at a time .

                       -  Maths *  teach baby maths ( + , - ,  x & / ) with dot cards .

                       - Encylcopedic knowledge * picture cards with text / description behind .

2.  Art appreciation - Music *  adopt Suzhuki's teaching method to teach violin ( at age 2 ) and piano ( at age 4)

3.  Physical  -  crawling , creeping , rolling , swimming &  brachiation to achieve physical superb.

You can make your own cards ( dots, picture & word ) according to the books. You've to dedictate time and effort to make this program works ( at least 6 months non-stop to see results) and prepare with flexibility to adjust your program according to your kid's situation and progress .

Since I don't know much about your kid , so I can't suggest any further for you. From the feedback I obtained from all our classmates who attended the course in US and practised with consistency , they all are very satisfied with the results and progress !

I studied in children development psychology and proceed to study education psychology. The overall results of all my students (children) and also the students (children ) of my students ( trained tutors)  justified all the effort and time that we've put into these children !

Welcome to this wonderful journey of discover the huge potential of humans ( esp. preschoolers and children) ! The theory is backed up from years of research by neuroscentists and professional practationers ( many parents among them) all over the world . The same trend sweeps throughout Asian countries like Taiwan, Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, Korea and even being heating up in Mainland China , it's your call to decide whether to catch up the race or fell behind !

Should you still be interested in such early development program, pls pm me for further advice.

Regards
  
      
     

nov03bb

Dear SLI,

前排工作很忙, 未有即時看到你寶貴的回應和資訊, Thank you very much!!!

Should you still be interested in such early development program, pls pm me for further advice.
--Of course! I'm very interested in that program!

nov03bb :wink:

NatalieMaMa

Dear SLI,

Thanks for sharing. I'm interested in "dot card" which can train baby's arithmatic. What is it? Are there only dots on the cards, e.g. two dots stand for "2"? My child is already 19 months old. She reconizes shapes, colour, alphabets a-z and simple sentences, she likes reading with me but she cannot speak well. She can only say several single words like car, apple, cup etc. Somebody says that a child can speak in her early age implies she has potential to learn better and has better reasoning because through speaking,  her brain can be stimulated. Is it true? How can I encourage my daughter to speak more? I'm also very interested in your program, can you email to me as well? Thanks a lot
my email address: [email protected]

juke5301

true, there are psychological studies which suggest that children with verbal ability at an age earlier than average fare better later in life.
This is probably because they are able to communicate more effectively with their parents and thus learn and understand more from the environment easily.

I think your child is at a normal devleoping phase.
Children usually start to talk properly from 18mths onwards. before that are all baby talk, babbling trying t establish a form of communication.
Your child is normal, if you want her to speak in mroe fluent sentences, try to coax her or get her to watch some chldren video, it should help. based on chomsky, a child has the innate ability for language, the difference is the environmental stimulus given to her, so afterall, you have to wait for her grasp the mechanics of language before you can move on

juke5301

i have a few repsones to make regarding to the 資優 issue.

the Flynn effect is pretty true around the world.
Every one's IQ seemed to rise and this increase seem to never end.
IN one aspect, our IQs are rising (which is very beneficial evolutionary terms) because ppl are smarter, but also note that IQ test were adjusted accordingly. Blacks did worse thna whites in the ringal IQ test just becasue their social delveopment was different formthe  whites, which in turn labelled thme as being stupid, and thus the segregation as a result.
Also there are different types of IQ
we have verbal IQ, SPatial IQ, MAths IQ, interpersonal IQ, intrapersonal IQ, music IQ etc.
within which verbal and math IQ is an advantage to posess in the modern soceity since it is so concentrated on communication of information.
I havn;t studied much on the effects on the application of IQ theories in children, but


We have to take in mind that traits are personal characteristics of a person that remain relatively stable over time.
三鼎智慧 if i am correct, is equivalent to the big three factor by Hans Eysenck. He suggested that all personality is made up of neuroticism, agreeableness and psychoticism. There are many verisons of it, but it generally means the same thing.
then there is also the big 5 factor...
anwayyz, these are just applied to adults.

for children , you should check Buss and Plomin (1977) who did a study dividing children into three major catagories of infant attachment.
The type of infant attachment is very important as it was shown in John Bowlby's study that securely attached chidlren do better in all aspects of thier lives, including social and intellectual as well as physcial.

I am very interested in SLI's educational principles  since i havn't studied much on the applciaiton of devleopmetnal principles yet.

IceCrm

I totally agree with nov03bb about 天才/(資優)/(種子)= [遺傳 + 環境因素] x 裁培

But as I am a working mum (especially I am always away from HK for duties), how can we achieve what we understand at the below? I really found that 知易行難!!! 當我地要返工賺錢 (無錯...係可以唔做... 但為左better living standard同埋俾BB好D quality既野...), 就犧牲左我地對BB既quality time (親子教育既精神+心機+時間)... 咁點可能做到好似大家討論既theory咁理想呢?? 我自問只做到理想既30%... 自覺實在唔足夠... 浪費左BB既種子&天才.... 但真係無能為力....

其他在職父母豈有同感???

kittych0309

Hello SLI,

I am interested in your mentioned early development program esp. the dot card.  Could you PM more information to me?  Thx!

Joshua媽

SLI,

could u PM more info to me abt early development program please?

Many thks.

Paulina

twokidsmum

Hello SLI,

I am interested in the early development program your mentioned. Could you PM more information to me? Thx!  

twokidsmum