盲目地对孩子实施早期训练

belindamok

hi davis,
你提到的Dr. Maria Montessori 我也覺得很有與興趣,現已開始搜集資料,但他的對象是3歲以上的小朋友,而杜曼博士的方法的對象是0-6歲小朋友,而我覺得即使這個方法沒有成效,對小朋友都沒有甚麼影響,只不過是浪費父母的時間及心血,但是不試過,又怎知道結果呢?

Jokey2828

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davis 寫道:
If I don’t have a kid at age 0-3, do you think I will come to BK?

Most parents read Glenn Doman books after they heard from the others?  Are you the one?  I read all his books before I have children, both Chinese and English editions.  Do you know his books are written in 196X-197X?  You should know the world is changing everyday, right?  Why his books never updated?  Did you see program about Glenn Doman’s followers & their babies on Discovery Channel?  They are nothing special after the hard training from their parents.

How many early childhood educators do you know?  Don’t tell me you only read Glenn Doman.  At least, you should know Dr. Maria Montessori and Dr. Armstrong, right?

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Hello there,

I am not in favour of or against Glenn Doman's methods. I am here just to share my experience, which may not be applicable to any other child.

When I read Glenn Doman's books a few years ago, I was amazed by what he claimed children could do. I firmly believed that they could do it and I tried his methods on my child. But now on hindsight, all I would say is they are not really conducive to her present well-being.

Jokey2828

critic

Agreed with Huitung that “Trying to force a little child to learn anything is "盲目".    Hope moms won’t 盲目any training because everyone is doing it and afraid your kid is behind of the others.  

Moms should first find out the learning style of your kid. If he is auditory learner, visual learner or physical learner.  After finding his learning style, parent can develop some fun learning activities (not training) for the kid.  I found that my son is an auditory learner, to improve his speaking & listening skill, I sing to him (the lines are made by me) Ask many open-end questions (first start at short one, then extend to longer one) Give him lot of opportunities to describe and express himself.  I notice that he improves and learn a lot after I use the open-end question to teach him.   

However, he is quite weak in physical learning, so I take him to park, playground or supermarket, let him touch & see each item and explain about the size, color etc.   (After seeing worm & butterfly, he can explain to me their relationship)  For teaching him to read/write, I simply ask him, what do you want to learn?  If he can tell me one word, I write it down on the blackboard.  Only one word per day.  If he runs away, I just forget it and do whatever he wants to do.

ZoeTse

davis :

1)你還沒有回應我之前的問題!
請問你有沒有看過杜曼博士寫的書?請先看完這書才評價這種教育模式!如果看了,請問杜曼博士的那個觀點、做法出錯?可否分享分享?
我也想知,憑推行此教育法,獲得英國、日本、巴西、阿根廷......等多國的贈勳與讚揚的教育家,其教育法有著什麼問題!!是否連各國的領導人、教育工作者也瞎了眼睛??


2)Did you see program about Glenn Doman’s followers & their babies on Discovery Channel? They are nothing special after the hard training from their parents.

單是"hard training" 這一點已經有問題,已經與杜曼的方針背道而馳.

3)孩子每天才花掉不到10分鐘去看字卡,請問怎談得上是"hard training"??
杜曼博士不是經已再三強調,在孩子狀態較佳時才開始學習嗎?還要在想繼續之前停下嗎??而孩子能否表達自己的問題,我之前亦已經提及了!!我的囡囡Zoe就很愛看百科卡!!
真正"hard training"與壓迫兒童的,是現今的教育制度!!

4)Do you know his books are written in 196X-197X?

讓我告訴你正確的答案吧!!
*如何教寶寶閱讀(借了給朋友,因此暫時未能提供準確資料)
*如何教寶寶數學       (英文版)1979年   (中文版)1994年
*如何教寶寶百科知識(英文版)1984年   (中文版)1999年
*如何使寶寶更聰明    (英文版)1984年   (中文版)1999年
*如何使寶寶身強體健(英文版)1988年   (中文版)2000年

5)You should know the world is changing everyday, right? Why his books never updated?
At least, you should know Dr. Maria Montessori and Dr. Armstrong, right?

updated?照我所知,蒙特梭利博士早在1952年已經過世了?!請問由誰人更新過???至今已相距50多年!!!
而且蒙特梭利博士推行該教育理念時,同樣受人非議,大多數人認為她的教育理念只適用於智障兒童!!!
關於Dr. Armstrong的教育法,恕本媽媽知識淺薄,只知一二,無謂獻醜.

6)How many early childhood educators do you know? Don’t tell me you only read Glenn Doman.

我回應你的題目,並不是要看看誰認識教育法、教育家最多!!我較有深入了解的,大概只有杜曼、七田真、鈴木鎮一及蒙特梭利,就這麼少!!世界這麼大,我怎能全部學懂?全部也見識過?我只是回應我所知的!!

我不是一早提及過,早期教育的方法各式其式嗎?只要選擇自己心中那杯茶就是了!!再好的方法,也要使用者用得其法!!

雞蛋營養夠好了,一樣有人食物敏感.
鮮奶營養一流,但每五個人,就有一個喝後會肚瀉.
難道敏感及肚瀉的人,就可直指雞蛋、鮮奶有害無益?

7)杜曼博士曾利用他的教育法,治癒無數的腦障兒童是鐵一般的事實,就連中國的兒童亦有受惠,單是這點就功不可沒,如果你告訴我想知多點真人真事的經歷,我也可以告訴你的!!!

8)以下的網站提供了較正面的資訊及真人個案,大家有時間的話不妨一看.

美國杜曼協會
兒童教育論壇
成長後的杜曼兒童

critic

Zoe,

Doman books are written in 196x-197x. They publish again when all books are sold out. The latest print in 1994 - it does not mean the book is written in 1994.

ZoeTse

critic 寫道:
Zoe,

Doman books are written in 196x-197x. They publish again when all books are sold out. The latest print in 1994 - it does not mean the book is written in 1994.

*如何教寶寶數學 (英文版)1979年 (中文版)1994年

No,我手上的書是這樣印著(中文版)
初版: 1994年11月
最後印刷第十八版:2003年11月

belindamok

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ZoeTse 寫道:

我不是一早提及過,早期教育的方法各式其式嗎?只要選擇自己心中那杯茶就是了!!再好的方法,也要使用者用得其法!!

雞蛋營養夠好了,一樣有人食物敏感.
鮮奶營養一流,但每五個人,就有一個喝後會肚瀉.
難道敏感及肚瀉的人,就可直指雞蛋、鮮奶有害無益?


講得好
  

critic

Zoe,

如何教寶寶數學 (英文版)1979年 = the first edition is written & published in 1979.  The same content being translated & published in Chinese in 1994 = they first print it in Chinese in 1994.  The one you are having is their 18th printed Chinese edition.

Remember, the original version is English, published in 1979.

Sorry if I talk too much, I was in publishing industry.

ZoeTse

critic

就算何時出版又如何?我只是列出更準確的日子給大家參考!!最重要是方法可行!!

critic 寫道:
Zoe,

如何教寶寶數學 (英文版)1979年 = the first edition is written & published in 1979.  The same content being translated & published in Chinese in 1994 = they first print it in Chinese in 1994.  The one you are having is their 18th printed Chinese edition.

Remember, the original version is English, published in 1979.

Sorry if I talk too much, I was in publishing industry.

HuiTung

ZoeTse 寫道:

而且蒙特梭利博士推行該教育理念時,同樣受人非議,大多數人認為她的教育理念只適用於智障兒童!!!


7)杜曼博士曾利用他的教育法,治癒無數的腦障兒童是鐵一般的事實,就連中國的兒童亦有受惠, ....

So, do you mean these two methods are both for brain damaged children?       

HuiTung

Please also read this thread from 小學雜談
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ZoeTse

HuiTung

So, do you mean these two methods are both for brain damaged children?

杜曼博士本來就是醫治腦障兒童的,後來發現用於正常的兒童身上,效果更好.

而蒙特梭利博士,是意大利的第一位女醫學博士,在最早期(約19xx初期)的時候,亦是從事醫治腦障兒童的,但後來同樣發覺用於正常的兒童身上,效果更好.

兩者同是偉大的教育家!!

belindamok

HuiTung 寫道:
Please also read this thread from 小學雜談
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為何你們一定要將我們這些對孩子作早期教育的父母們與要入名校,要孩子讀大學的父母掛鉤呢?
我同意早期教育是因為它可以提升孩子的求知欲,閱讀興趣及作為一項親子活動,跟小朋友玩玩字卡,睇睇百科圖就是強迫教育,盲目訓練嗎?
那我想請教各位,我們這些父母應該做些甚麼? 是不是每晚一邊看著電視,一邊叫孩子自己玩玩具呢?
為何我們的選擇你們一定要作否定的態度却沒有實質的理由作反對呢? 不要為反對而反對,而應該了解人家的方法及意念,然後提出你們反對的理由,我相信我們這些爸爸媽媽們很樂意與你們討論分析及分享,我們教育的目標是要小朋友求真,分析,理解,討論,然後結論. 你們只一直說飲"可樂"不好,但有甚麽成份不好,對人體有甚麼影響? 不要只說就是不好,不要飲. ok?

Sindy

想入大學都無咩唔妥呀,以前六年級畢業,可以搵到工作,後來中三先搵到工作,我個年代就中五先搵到工作,而家無中六中七,都咪駛指意做秘書<<<<<都係好普通既工咋,咁佢地第時唔大學畢業,睇住佢地乞米先開心咩????佢地會話做咩唔比好d既條件佢地架啦   

ZoeTse

belindamok 寫道:

為何你們一定要將我們這些對孩子作早期教育的父母們與要入名校,要孩子讀大學的父母掛鉤呢?
我同意早期教育是因為它可以提升孩子的求知欲,閱讀興趣及作為一項親子活動,跟小朋友玩玩字卡,睇睇百科圖就是強迫教育,盲目訓練嗎?
那我想請教各位,我們這些父母應該做些甚麼? 是不是每晚一邊看著電視,一邊叫孩子自己玩玩具呢?
為何我們的選擇你們一定要作否定的態度却沒有實質的理由作反對呢? 不要為反對而反對,而應該了解人家的方法及意念,然後提出你們反對的理由,我相信我們這些爸爸媽媽們很樂意與你們討論分析及分享,我們教育的目標是要小朋友求真,分析,理解,討論,然後結論.你們只一直說飲"可樂"不好,但有甚麽成份不好,對人體有甚麼影響? 不要只說就是不好,不要飲. ok?

belindamok

講得好,句句講出我的心聲!!
      

ZoeTse

Sindy 寫道:
想入大學都無咩唔妥呀,以前六年級畢業,可以搵到工作,後來中三先搵到工作,我個年代就中五先搵到工作,而家無中六中七,都咪駛指意做秘書<<<<<都係好普通既工咋,咁佢地第時唔大學畢業,睇住佢地乞米先開心咩????佢地會話做咩唔比好d既條件佢地架啦   

Agree!!

st

dear all,

I can tell you all both glenn doman and 蒙特梭利 orginial is for BRAIN INJURED CHILD.e.g. development delay, Austim,  Down's .

After they both found the methods can help the brain injured child, and they try to use the same way to help the  normal kid.

st

st

Davis,

Are you the one who pushing your girl too much ??

if so, you need to adjust.

in my girl case, learning which is fun and happy, she enjoy very much.

st

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davis 寫道:
If your kid is age 0-3, I don't think he can tell you how they feel. Can he able to tell, "I'm not interested in your flash card, please don't show them." Kid will just walk around or ignore you. Most parent will continuous to show the flash cards again & again even the kid is not interested. There are many ways to play with kid and make them learn a lot, why offer 早期訓練?

bau

I agreed that it is helping the kids to form good habits and arise their interest in learning. We are not saying that we should force the kids to learn or to read even they cry for stopping it. As the parents of the kids, we have the responsibility to help them to develop good habits so they can grow up properly. Kids don’t know what is right or wrong and you need to teach them from bit to bit.

Today most of the parents emphasis to give their children freedom and not to suppress them, but I think at least you have to make effort when they are small in putting them in the right track so that they can grow up strong.

I met a lot of parents, never blame their children even they did things wrong, they will just explain to them what they did was wrong or even said please don’t do it. But when the kids reached primary level, they are not afraid of their parents and they won’t listen to them because their parents never taught him that the wrong behaviour will bring them punishment. Even the parents find that they are out of control, they can do nothing when they reached this age and it made the relationship turns bad if they want to force them to listen to their advice.
Many parents said blaming the kids will hurt their confidence but I think it depends on what words you use to blame them and beating (not child abuse) sometimes is very useful at least they know they be should be responsible for what they did.

I believe that discipline is very important and we should let our kids have discipline when they are small. You should help them to become self motivated and you can give them freedom when they are in the right track.

Some of us thinking that giving the kids too many extra activities will make them very exhausted but the kids really like playing, it is better to spend money for them to play rather than switching on the TV for them. If saying that is pushing too hard, I don’t think it is fair to both parents and the kids. But I must say them, how many course the kids should take depends on how many spare time they have and the kids should be able to manage the homework as well as the activies, otherwise, it is harmful to their academic result and lead to a all lose situation.

davis

Initially, I want to share a good book for parents who care about early education.  Why some people are so defensive and over react?  I’m happy for you if you found a good program for your kid.   We have a lot to learn with our kid for coming years. Don't show superficial understanding on something you just heard from someone. Look around and spend  time to read books and judge what is the best for your kid.  I personally believe that raising an emotionally intelligent kid is better than an high IQ kid.