HKUGA講一套做一套，實在令人失望

mattsmum

印象中可以直升的直資學校衹有DBS,DGS, SP co-ed, st. Paul conv.

是否因為:
-中學要收至少80%組別一的學生,否則不能成為英中?
-中學想收天下之英才而教之?
—中學認為自已小學挑選/教育的學生學術水平過不得骨?

其實這個派位方法為何沒人去平机會要求調查是否公平?
為何是第一組先挑選學校,然後才是第二組?
為何是3組不是5組10組?
為何師兄姐前几年的成績決定學校各組別的百份比?為何不是自已考?
為何是平均分三組然后才數一數每間學校在每一組的百分比?

挑選直資的家長應明白升中派位是怎樣進行的。

Dr.Cool

HKUGA 係一條龍學校，所有一條龍學校都可以讓小六學生直升，並不是DBS,DGS, SP co-ed等才有的專利。

angry_mom

今晚返HKUGA聽家長會，學校邀請了校監、中學校長和辦學團體代表講解為甚麼要放棄採用IB課程。原來今年三月時教统局發信通知所有直資學校，嚴格執行一定要以本地課程為主流，可以同時開辦其他課程，但就一定要有本地課程。所以全港DSS只有兩個選擇，一是只辦本地課程，即最新通過的新高中課程。二是採雙軌並行，同時開辦新高中課程及IB Diploma Programme，將學生今為兩批，請兩批老師教兩種課程。學校成立了小組去研究，得出來的報告覺得雙軌並不可行，需要大量人力和財力。以HKUGA現在收的學費水平實在難以實行，所以作出了艱難的決擇，決定現階段只能辦本地課程。還有學校不想將學生分化，做成標纖，覺得讀IB的學生才是精英學生，破壞校園的和楷氣氛。

辦學團體代表向家長表明，他們已經極力向教育局爭取只開辦IB課程，但無奈因政策的規限，只可跟隨，除非學校轉為全私立學校。到時家長便要付出高昂的學費，這亦非辦學團體的辦學宗旨。但他們說會繼續向教育局反影及爭取。

歸跟究底又是教育局的政策一時一樣，最初說給予DSS較自由的空間，現在又收緊了，設下條件一定要辦本地課程為主，因為要推行最新通過的新高中課程。這跟母語教學政策同出一徹，最初說DSS可自行選擇用英語教學，到最後還是要符合70%學生適合用英語交學的要求。其實政府給予DSS的資助，亦都是來自立稅人的錢，我們一眾中產階層，稅納了不少，但連選擇讀非本地課程或英語教學都諸多阻攔，實在令人氣忿。我對香港政府及教育局已徹底失望。

其實除了HKUGA外，其他直資學校都要面對同一處境。所以家長選校時一定要三思，切密被新開辦的DSS的花言巧語誤導了。

[ 本文章最後由 angry_mom 於 07-7-10 00:07 編輯 ]

Dr.Cool

If many HKUGA parents really like IB and willing to pay. I think those parents can discuss with the school and try to find a way to get it done.

This is not problems of an individual DSS but of all those DSS which planned to offer IB like Logos, Creative, St Paul etc.

father_ho

原文章由 angry_mom 於 07-7-10 00:00 發表
今晚返HKUGA聽家長會，學校邀請了校監、中學校長和辦學團體代表講解為甚麼要放棄採用IB課程。原來今年三月時教统局發信通知所有直資學校，嚴格執行一定要以本地課程為主流，可以同時開辦其他課程，但就一 ...

Dear angry_mom,

It's reality and the message from the school actually quite reasonable. The point is should the student already studied for several years under the "IB" type learning approach, can they change all in a sudden and compete under the local examination structure?

For the potential/existing parents entering DSS because of the school will run IB should think carefully and visit ED's web to make sure the relevant regulation imposed on DSS school first.

kkbbkk

For those who want to see the full version of HKUGA's explanation on abandoning IB, pls refer to their circular in the website of secondary school

http://www.hkugac.edu.hk/news/Letter%20on%20Curriculum%20from%20HKUGAEF%20-%2003JUL07.pdf

The HKUGA Foundation does not give up their mission of IB. They are studying the feasibility of setting up a PIS for IP Diploma. That operation will be the same as Lee Po Chun United World. It will only cater for the last two years of the secondary school.

As far as we know, the teacher turnover in seconardy school is low. This year only 2 Chinese teachers not continue to teach in the 08/09 school year.

mfkhung

So, How about DBS, SPCC...they are all DSS? Could they be an IB School?

[ 本文章最後由 mfkhung 於 07-7-10 18:24 編輯 ]

angry_mom

據說DBS、SPCC等打算辦IBDP的都一樣要開兩個課程給家長選擇，但並不是每個學生都可選讀IB，要由學校挑選適合讀的學生，而且學費會貴啲。

mfkhung

政府其實是否怕 334 冇/少學校支持, 所以要d學校一定要有兩類課程呢?

[ 本文章最後由 mfkhung 於 07-7-10 18:25 編輯 ]

mattsmum

只是DBS, DGS, Spco-ed st paul conv. 有公佈是直升的,

其余沒有如此宣佈過.

怪不得家長讀落才知,才不滿.

"吓,俾錢都冇得直升?"有朋友如此說.

原文章由 Dr.Cool 於 07-7-9 23:58 發表
HKUGA 係一條龍學校，所有一條龍學校都可以讓小六學生直升，並不是DBS,DGS, SP co-ed等才有的專利。

owenmami

I think the crux of the issue is financial viability.

If the parents are prepared to pay $4000 - $5000 per month, it will be financially viable for the school to run an IB stream in parallel to the new 334 local stream.

If the parents want to opt for IB stream, then they'll hav e to pay around $80000 per year (at least) since the gov't won't subsidize the non-local system (with the exception of some ESF schools).

Are all current HKUGA parents willing to pay extra to "buy back" their education autonomy? If so, stand up and tell the school adminstration board!

[ 本文章最後由 owenmami 於 07-7-11 09:44 編輯 ]

TT

因為小女九月將會入讀小一, 其實我真係想知道是否沒有了ib課程, 港大同學會小學就沒有了可取之處?  因為以我所知有很多直資小學都不是行ib課程, 而只用活動教學, 小朋友都讀得很開心, 成績亦很好.  有沒有家長可以給我一點意見?

tt

Dr.Cool

原文章由 mattsmum 於 07-7-11 08:23 發表
只是DBS, DGS, Spco-ed st paul conv. 有公佈是直升的,

其余沒有如此宣佈過.

怪不得家長讀落才知,才不滿.

"吓,俾錢都冇得直升?"有朋友如此說.

一條龍 = 可以直升
No need to specify 直升, students promoted from P6 to F1 just like promoted from P1 to P2, P2 to P3.., if no promotion, I don't know if the school needs to allow the students to repeat.

Dr.Cool

原文章由 TT 於 07-7-11 10:16 發表
因為小女九月將會入讀小一, 其實我真係想知道是否沒有了ib課程, 港大同學會小學就沒有了可取之處?  因為以我所知有很多直資小學都不是行ib課程, 而只用活動教學, 小朋友都讀得很開心, 成績亦很好.  有沒有家長可 ...

I think this relates to the expectation. Those parents expecting HKUGA providing IB just like you expecting HKUGA providing 活動教學. If suddendly HKUGA announces that it will not be 活動教學. Will you be disappointed ?

Judgement

[quote]原文章由 mattsmum 於 07-7-11 08:23 發表
只是DBS, DGS, Spco-ed st paul conv. 有公佈是直升的,

其余沒有如此宣佈過.

怪不得家長讀落才知,才不滿.

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HuiTung

原文章由 mattsmum 於 07-7-11 08:23 發表
只是DBS, DGS, Spco-ed st paul conv. 有公佈是直升的,

其余沒有如此宣佈過.

怪不得家長讀落才知,才不滿.

"吓,俾錢都冇得直升?"有朋友如此說.

DBSPD will not let a student promote to its secondary if he fails two of the core subjects, i.e. Chinese, English & Maths.  St Paul Boys has similar policy, too.

Judgement

俾錢

Unclejt

原文章由 HuiTung 於 07-7-11 11:58 發表
DBSPD will not let a student promote to its secondary if he fails two of the core subjects, i.e. Chinese, English & Maths.  St Paul Boys has similar policy, too.

我又唔覺有問題，等於話成績太差要出校。無家長會認為入到G1就可以自動升上G12卦。

另外、聖保羅書院小學跟聖保羅書院不是一條龍。

HuiTung

原文章由 Unclejt 於 07-7-11 12:24 發表

我又唔覺有問題，等於話成績太差要出校。無家長會認為入到G1就可以自動升上G12卦。

另外、聖保羅書院小學跟聖保羅書院不是一條龍。

I think you get me wrong.  I was trying to say some dss like DBSPD, SPB is not a 直升 (one dragon) school.    For DBSPD, students need to pass the school's academic requirements to secure a seat in its secondary and it was clearly stated in the last admission briefing.  SPB is not one dragon, that's why SPB primary students are not gauranteed to 直升.  

Somehow, I find people have the misconception : 直資=直升

[ 本文章最後由 HuiTung 於 07-7-11 13:09 編輯 ]