Sharing of IB vs NSS

ANChan59

I know a boy who is one year senior than my son in IBDP, his father told me that his son can take 3 years program instead of 4 years program in HK, but not for HKDSE in 2012.

If there is a choice, I prefer my son can take a 3 years program in HK and no need to take another year of liberal studies... to make up a 4 years program

slamai

The choice should only be available for the IB DP cohort in 2012 but not after as local Us will no longer offer 3-year undergraduate courses by then.

原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-9-18 17:49 發表
I know a boy who is one year senior than my son in IBDP, his father told me that his son can take 3 years program instead of 4 years program in HK, but not for HKDSE in 2012.

If there is a choice, I  ...

leunwh

ANChan59,

Thanks for your sharing and information.  I find it really useful.  Wish that I could have read that earlier....

Would you mind PM to me the English tutorial centres you mentioned before? Thanks so much!!

ANChan59

原帖由 slamai 於 11-9-19 13:44 發表
The choice should only be available for the IB DP cohort in 2012 but not after as local Us will no longer offer 3-year undergraduate courses by then.

Yes, you are right. I just remind other parents may benefit from this option.

kym

Heard that from the head of the IB school, we may have a boy getting in Harvard University next year. And this is very encouraging.

[ 本帖最後由 kym 於 11-9-21 10:56 編輯 ]

ANChan59

原帖由 kym 於 11-9-21 10:50 發表
Heard that from the head of the IB school, we may have a boy getting in Harvard University next year. And this is very encouraging.

That's encouraging. You mean conditional or firm offer from Harvard. My son told me that many seniors got 2100+ in SAT and eligible to apply Ivy League......

I didn't catch up with my son yet, I will ask him tonight.

kym

I'm not sure because I've been told that all offers from the US universities are firm except someone does poorly in the final year. So I guess this is the same situation. Even conditional offer is encouraging I see it as recognition to our IB school. Some tuition center told me new IB school need 5 years for the IB diploma to fully establish. This is why I was so reluctant to let my son to enroll to the program at first. Now I’m convinced this is the way to go.

[ 本帖最後由 kym 於 11-9-21 16:13 編輯 ]

ANChan59

Preparation time say 12-18 months, application time 18 months, another two years for IBDP and will see the first batch results. From different angels, 5 years is reasonable. but the results of first batch IBDP may be quite different.

In DBS & SPCC, student pool may be a bit better than other schools, if we consider 20+ EAS (of course not all opt for IBDP), some may join LPC, some may study G11-12 in overseas...

Originally, I guess DBS & SPCC may take 3-5 years to overtake LPC. My son bets with me max. 2 years.....

My son told me that he heard about that but unsure its conditional offers or unconditional offers.

ANChan59

原帖由 Shoeshine 於 11-9-21 22:40 發表
In 2010, LPC had 14 students went to Ivy League and 4 went to Oxbridge. (Not to mention those who went to Stanford and Duke etc. in US and LSE and UC etc. in UK).  

I read an article about % of students admitted into Ivy League from different high schools, in the top 52, only two outside USA, one is LPC (~7%). So I always benchmark local IBDP schools with LPC, even I know it's not apple to apple comparison.

I further check your data and come up something very interesting. I guess your data come from this table:
http://www.lpcuwc.edu.hk/uploads/2008/11/University-Offer-2010.pdf

Brown        12        Cambridge     4
Columbia     -          Oxford          2
Cornell        4          LSE               8
Dartmouth  6          ICL               11
Harvard      -                               25
Princeton    4
U. Penn      3
Yale            -
                  29

Refer to the total of page 4, the total USA "Offers" is 259, and total number of students is 128 and 42% from HK and 58% from international.

For UK, Oxford & Cambridge 2 & 4 offers. Total UK offers 178. For HK, 49 offers only.

Findings:
1. Average offers per students ~4. (538 offers vs 128 students)
2. The students finally got into Ivy League and Cambridge are most from HK or overseas students not shown in the table. If most are from overseas, how to compare with Local DSS IBDP school?

Just for discussion only........  DBS recommends their students to pick max. 8 programs: 2-4-2, so maximum offers will be 8, so average 4 offers is not so difficult.

ANChan59

Thanks for your detail explanation.

Good night...

kym

Can you explain what is 2-4-2? I almost thought is some kind of sports  formation!

mattsmum

any figures on local course in these two LS who offer IBDP?

ANChan59

原帖由 kym 於 11-9-22 08:11 發表
Can you explain what is 2-4-2? I almost thought is some kind of sports  formation!

Ha ha ha...... not a soccer formation, personally, I like to field 4-4-2 in FM........

Put it this way, say a student is comfortable to have predicted scores 38-42 by the end of Yr 1. He can take 2 programs at the high side or even slightly better than his predicted scores. The other 4 programs are within the range, the last 2 may be at the low side or even lower than 38.

                                   Predicted score
                                   for interview

HKU    Medicine            40+ (excl bonus point)
CUHK  Medicine            40+ (excl bonus point)

Cambridge Medicine      42+
LSE Economics/Politics  38+
HKU BBA (Law)            38+
CUHK QF                      38+

HKUST BBA                   36+
HKU Medical Engg          35+

The quoted predicted scores are just for illustration purpose. After HKDSE, the predicted scores in non-JUPAS may be scaled down a bit.

ANChan59

原帖由 mattsmum 於 11-9-22 09:25 發表
any figures on local course in these two LS who offer IBDP?

What figures you mean? HKCEE, HKALE.......?

The first batch graduates of IBDP from DBS will be in 2012, for SPCC will be in 2013.

I prefer to quote this two DSS schools becasue they are local school with both NSS and IBDP streams. Shoeshine prefers to quote IS which he/she more familar with. Even not apple to apple comparisons, but provide better pictures for all parents are great.

I don't want unnecessary arguement between LS vs IS; CMI vs EMI; NSS vs IBDP, JUPAS vd non-JUPAS ........ Different family has different consideration, here is a platform to collect more useful info, validate them as much as you can and draw your informed decision for your kids........

mattsmum

Figures of university placement such as 88/100 , I would think university placement figure under A level be similar to IBDP in these two LS.

ANChan59

原帖由 mattsmum 於 11-9-22 20:33 發表
Figures of university placement such as 88/100 , I would think university placement figure under A level be similar to IBDP in these two LS.

I see.

DBS - 20+/120 EAS; 80/120 JUPAS; 20-/120 Overseas or sub-degree.

I don't know the figures of SPCC, I can ask my friendsabout this.

mattsmum

That is great.

ANChan59

原帖由 mattsmum 於 11-9-22 20:45 發表
That is great.

I guess SPCC may be better than DBS.....