王德堃教授為您解答：通過腦電波測試找出子女大腦優勢密碼及因腦施教的

OLYu

This particular thread is clearly a SPAM similar to many junk mails we receive nowadays, that many email system will automatically allocate to the Junk/Spam box. I simply don't understand why the webmaster allows it not only to carry on but to be fixed at the top of the primary school discussion forum. Has anyone got any investment or vested interest in this company???

OLYu

I cannot believe that a so-called professor (in Medical or what?) would say such things. Anyone with some basic knowledge in biology knows that the blood supply to the brain is separate from the blood supply to the skin on the head. So how could one press on the scalp and improve the brain function? This is Fiction and a highly misleading one. It is simply and utterly CRAP. If this is true, Prof should be awarded a Nobel Prize.

王教授 寫道:

如果是單純的短期記憶轉成長期記憶的能力薄弱的話,解決的方法很簡單, 也不存在任何[不大方]的問題. 只要按摩左顳葉區,即耳朵對上一個手指位置的地方,即可增加該區域的血液循環，短期記憶轉成長期記憶的功能應該有一定的促進和改善．

花咪媽

原來所有的文章都抄襲自：

http://skepdic.com/control.html

花咪媽

〔二○○二年五月十一日，身在英國的前鳳凰衛視女主播劉海若，因火車出軌意外導致頭部重創昏迷，醫生判定她腦部死亡，幸得北京宣武醫院神經外科醫師凌鋒醫治，每天用高壓氧艙和神經營養治療，加上中醫針灸、按摩、電刺激和康復訓練，至七月底劉海若終於甦醒。〕

腦部死亡的劉海若都能通過按摩，針灸等等治療得到康復，通過刺激穴位加強記憶又有什麼不行的呢？

干什麼總對人家王教授玩針對！測試過的人認為可信，沒測過的說不可信，大家說說誰的話更可信！

RRR

Of course I had studied the website of the 'Potential' as well as some others before I found the website I quoted earlier (馮坤Fengkun.net).  Actually, if you would like to know more, here are some other articles published in Global Times and Jiaxing Dailies:-

http://www.people.com.cn/BIG5/paper68/12941/1163092.html

http://www.jxdaily.net.cn/big5/misc/2004-10/02/content_175645.htm

As regards your curiousity on the results of my kids, I wouldn't mind to share some with you.  In fact, the reason why I wanted to have my kids try the test was due to the comments made on my son by his teacher.  My son was a K1 boy.  Not long after he started his school life, his class teacher told me that she observed him as having some 'problems' in communicating with others and expressing himself (he was late in speech development), indicating that he might have some kind of auctistic problems, and required me to take my son to take an assessment.  However, my son's paediatrician assured me that my son was nothing wrong and was definitely not auctistic, and he also pointed out assessment result was not reliable and may be misleading and, as a result, may even hamper the child's psychological development.  To be honest, I thought my boy was just a happy kid.  I believed that he just hadn't learnt well how to speak and that he had never been with a whole class of children.  But at the same time I could not ignore the teacher's observations.  Finally, I came to know this test and I thought this test might help me to find out the 'problem' without opening a file in the child assessment centre, so I gave it a try.

My son received the test in sleeping mode.  The findings of the test are that there are some unstable brain waves at some parts of my son's brain, indicating that he is a bit late in the development of those parts comparing with children at comparable age, and the main functions of those parts of the brain include language, emotional control, and logical thinking.  To me, the result matches with my son's case perfectly.  The result also shows that he, unlike what the teacher has commented, actually likes social activities, which is in fact what I have all along observed when I am with him.

Rham, I just want to share my views, that's all.  You may have your own views on this, that is just fine, but PLEASE don't be critical to my view, or try to challenge or offend me. :-|

ACYW

王教授 :

我也想知道有關測驗的地點和費用??

OLYu

Indeed I copied and pasted from the Skeptic website - but that's not the point. The point is do you agree the this so-called brain wave studies have no good scientific and statistical basis?

I have nothing against Prof Wong. As I said there are so many commerical products in HK with dubious efficacy and evidence to support their use (think those slimming plans/food/drug) but they advertise properly and do not pretend to be anything but commercial and profit making. This Prof Wong's organisation however comes up here and promotes itself as if it were a non-commercial organisation trying to help parents, using a thread in a discussion forum. This is wrong. It should simply buy up space from BK and advertise. Even though many people have responded to it, this thread is still a SPAM.

花咪媽 寫道:
〔二○○二年五月十一日，身在英國的前鳳凰衛視女主播劉海若，因火車出軌意外導致頭部重創昏迷，醫生判定她腦部死亡，幸得北京宣武醫院神經外科醫師凌鋒醫治，每天用高壓氧艙和神經營養治療，加上中醫針灸、按摩、電刺激和康復訓練，至七月底劉海若終於甦醒。〕

腦部死亡的劉海若都能通過按摩，針灸等等治療得到康復，通過刺激穴位加強記憶又有什麼不行的呢？

干什麼總對人家王教授玩針對！測試過的人認為可信，沒測過的說不可信，大家說說誰的話更可信！

OLYu

劉海若 is an anecdotal example (Anecdotal evidence is often unscientific because it cannot be investigated using the scientific method. Misuse of anecdotal evidence is a logical fallacy and is sometimes informally referred to as the "person who" fallacy) but to quote it and say massaging scalp can improve brain function is of course unscientific and illogical.

But let's get back to the point here - if Prof Wong's discovery is so good, why is it not widely used in schools in China? The discovery, if true, is worthy of a major prize, maybe not Nobel, but major like a fellowship in the Chinese Academy of Science. Where is the prize?

花咪媽 寫道:
〔二○○二年五月十一日，身在英國的前鳳凰衛視女主播劉海若，因火車出軌意外導致頭部重創昏迷，醫生判定她腦部死亡，幸得北京宣武醫院神經外科醫師凌鋒醫治，每天用高壓氧艙和神經營養治療，加上中醫針灸、按摩、電刺激和康復訓練，至七月底劉海若終於甦醒。〕

腦部死亡的劉海若都能通過按摩，針灸等等治療得到康復，通過刺激穴位加強記憶又有什麼不行的呢？

干什麼總對人家王教授玩針對！測試過的人認為可信，沒測過的說不可信，大家說說誰的話更可信！

OLYu

I have sympathy for your experience with your child and at his school. But the so-called results from the test could well be coincidence. Language, emotional issue, logical thinking and activity levels are such vague and broad concepts that somehow there is a chance they would hit the right buttons and fulfill your expectataion. I don't want to offend anyone but why do we believe in fortune telling or horoscope? Because psyhologically and subconsciously we want to think that they are right and accurate even though objectively we know that they cannot be. As consumers, we would also like to think that since we have paid good money, we should get our service back worthy of that and end up in a state of denial.

Think again, the socalled reassurance provided by the brain test has already been given to you by your pediatrician, just in a different and more professional manner.

RRR 寫道:
Of course I had studied the website of the 'Potential' as well as some others before I found the website I quoted earlier (馮坤Fengkun.net).  Actually, if you would like to know more, here are some other articles published in Global Times and Jiaxing Dailies:-

http://www.people.com.cn/BIG5/paper68/12941/1163092.html

http://www.jxdaily.net.cn/big5/misc/2004-10/02/content_175645.htm

As regards your curiousity on the results of my kids, I wouldn't mind to share some with you.  In fact, the reason why I wanted to have my kids try the test was due to the comments made on my son by his teacher.  My son was a K1 boy.  Not long after he started his school life, his class teacher told me that she observed him as having some 'problems' in communicating with others and expressing himself (he was late in speech development), indicating that he might have some kind of auctistic problems, and required me to take my son to take an assessment.  However, my son's paediatrician assured me that my son was nothing wrong and was definitely not auctistic, and he also pointed out assessment result was not reliable and may be misleading and, as a result, may even hamper the child's psychological development.  To be honest, I thought my boy was just a happy kid.  I believed that he just hadn't learnt well how to speak and that he had never been with a whole class of children.  But at the same time I could not ignore the teacher's observations.  Finally, I came to know this test and I thought this test might help me to find out the 'problem' without opening a file in the child assessment centre, so I gave it a try.

My son received the test in sleeping mode.  The findings of the test are that there are some unstable brain waves at some parts of my son's brain, indicating that he is a bit late in the development of those parts comparing with children at comparable age, and the main functions of those parts of the brain include language, emotional control, and logical thinking.  To me, the result matches with my son's case perfectly.  The result also shows that he, unlike what the teacher has commented, actually likes social activities, which is in fact what I have all along observed when I am with him.

Rham, I just want to share my views, that's all.  You may have your own views on this, that is just fine, but PLEASE don't be critical to my view, or try to challenge or offend me. :-|

OLYu

Only the other day, a lady was cheated off her 1 million dollars by crooks who prayed for her son's fortune. This happened despite repeated warnings for months by police in the media about these fraudsters. Many people in HK continue to take up slimming courses, buy slimming 'machines' even though the consumer council repeatedly told us those were useless or even dangerous.

The moral is that we are all adults and we are responsible for what we do. If we feel better by putting money in some strangers' pocket for whatever valid reasons they gave, in spite of others' kind-hearted warnings, we deserve it.

So, shut up, Rham. I think we have done our parts.   

雨嫣媽媽

王教授我想知測試地點和價錢？谢谢

Rham

花咪媽 寫道:

腦部死亡的劉海若都能通過按摩，針灸等等治療得到康復，通過刺激穴位加強記憶又有什麼不行的呢？

你若要說服人，請你起碼用些少邏輯。將兩件沒有關係的事亂扯上關係只是詞窮理盡的表現。

況且「王教授」的「腦象圖」最多只是評測的工具，不是治療的方法。難道「王教授」會推銷接受「腦象圖」評測的人以刺激穴位去加強記憶？如果是的話，更會叫人懷疑這是一個騙局。怎麼一個研究「腦象圖」的專家又變成了穴位的專家？

至於為何刺激穴位加強記憶不可信，另文再述。

干什麼總對人家王教授玩針對！測試過的人認為可信，沒測過的說不可信，大家說說誰的話更可信！

這是你說的，沒有人針對王教授。你把所有提出合理質疑的人都說成是「玩針對」，封絕所有理性討論的餘地，更顯出是詞窮理盡。

Rham

RRR 寫道:
Of course I had studied the website of the 'Potential' as well as some others before I found the website I quoted earlier (馮坤Fengkun.net).

Yes, I also noticed the domain name of that article.  But as I have pointed out earlier, the particular page you mentioned was just an anonymous posting on a discussion forum just copied from the "otential" website.  The website of 馮坤 herself and also of her fans NEVER mentioned 王德堃教授 or 腦象圖.  Isn't that suspicious?

Actually, if you would like to know more, here are some other articles published in Global Times and Jiaxing Dailies:-

http://www.people.com.cn/BIG5/paper68/12941/1163092.html

http://www.jxdaily.net.cn/big5/misc/2004-10/02/content_175645.htm

Thank you for the links.  I am studying them.

As regards your curiousity on the results of my kids, I wouldn't mind to share some with you.  In fact, the reason why I wanted to have my kids try the test was due to the comments made on my son by his teacher.  My son was a K1 boy.  Not long after he started his school life, his class teacher told me that she observed him as having some 'problems' in communicating with others and expressing himself (he was late in speech development), indicating that he might have some kind of auctistic problems, and required me to take my son to take an assessment.

Children develop their abilities at different rates.  Just refusing to talk to other children does not equal to autism.  It could be due to anxiety or other reasons.  Ever heard of selective mutism?

I think you need to understand more from the teacher why he/she think your child is autistic.  He/she might have noticed something that you had overlooked or something that only happened in school.  Besides, is the relationship between the teacher and your child good?  And perhaps ask the teacher what he/she knows about autism to see if the teacher has sufficient understanding in this area.

However, my son's paediatrician assured me that my son was nothing wrong and was definitely not auctistic, and he also pointed out assessment result was not reliable and may be misleading and, as a result, may even hamper the child's psychological development.  To be honest, I thought my boy was just a happy kid.  I believed that he just hadn't learnt well how to speak and that he had never been with a whole class of children.  But at the same time I could not ignore the teacher's observations.

Well, what is the reason of your son's paediatrician.  Just stating that "assessment result was not reliable and may be misleading" is I think unprofessional.  How come he can say the assessment of other doctors who may be expert in this area is unreliable while he himself can be sure that your son is "definitely not autistic".  This is itself an assessment.  What criteria did he use in coming up with such an assessment himself?

I suggest you seek a second opinion from another paediatrician.

Finally, I came to know this test and I thought this test might help me to find out the 'problem' without opening a file in the child assessment centre, so I gave it a try.

What is the problem of opening a file if it can help your child?  If you are quite sure he is absolutely normal, there is no need to be afraid as they'll come up with a report that clear all your doubt.

On the other hand, depriving your child of the professional help he need but going for something based on dubious claim is absolutely the last thing I would do.  You may be putting him at risk by not giving him the proper diagnostic or treatment.  It makes me very sad for hearing that.

My son received the test in sleeping mode.  The findings of the test are that there are some unstable brain waves at some parts of my son's brain, indicating that he is a bit late in the development of those parts comparing with children at comparable age, and the main functions of those parts of the brain include language, emotional control, and logical thinking.  To me, the result matches with my son's case perfectly.  The result also shows that he, unlike what the teacher has commented, actually likes social activities, which is in fact what I have all along observed when I am with him.

I guess you talked to the people in that center before the test and told them why you took your child to have the test, right?  And did they also talk to your child?  It is easy to make an "assessment" that is broad enough to match the characteristic of your child.

Some people believe in 睇相 and think they are very accurate.  Do you know why?  Because very often, they are giving away the information themselves and the 相士 just need to make some broad comments that echo what you say.

The charts on their website absolutely cannot tell you what happened in the brain of your child.  I'll talk about that later.

And as you have said, the assessment was exactly what you yourself have observed.  I am not challenging you, instead, I think you did great in observing your own child.  Parents always understand their own child the best (if they spend time, I mean quality time, with their kids).

Rham, I just want to share my views, that's all.  You may have your own views on this, that is just fine, but PLEASE don't be critical to my view, or try to challenge or offend me. :-|

Thank you for your sharing indeed.  And I certainly won't challenge or offend a parent that cares about her own child.  My suggestions are just friendly reminders that I hope you would consider.  Raising a child is not easy.  And seeking help (proper help) is always the right thing to do if you are in need.

Casablanca-220

Rham,

I think you are just trying to give friendly comments to other parents and not knocking other people's believe in what they believe in.  

Thanks for your caring.

PigHeadMug

Dr Wang,

Can you PM to me for the price?
How many hours for the test?

OLYu

Isn't it interesting that we have new member joining and very quickly asking for  information from Prof Wong   

OLYu

And even more interestingly, 花咪媽 who so quickly tried to defend Prof Wong was also one of the first persons responded to this thread and has ever only posted message in this thread but none others.

How do we call this? Multiple identities? Drones? I think I see similar tricks in 警訊 about 'Kei Fook' gang.

花咪媽 寫道:
〔二○○二年五月十一日，身在英國的前鳳凰衛視女主播劉海若，因火車出軌意外導致頭部重創昏迷，醫生判定她腦部死亡，幸得北京宣武醫院神經外科醫師凌鋒醫治，每天用高壓氧艙和神經營養治療，加上中醫針灸、按摩、電刺激和康復訓練，至七月底劉海若終於甦醒。〕

腦部死亡的劉海若都能通過按摩，針灸等等治療得到康復，通過刺激穴位加強記憶又有什麼不行的呢？

干什麼總對人家王教授玩針對！測試過的人認為可信，沒測過的說不可信，大家說說誰的話更可信！

onionfafa

Pigheadmug:

你的大名有點兒給人有對號入座之感，這純粹是本人之個人感受。

現本人想請問各方高人，究竟 I.Q 測試是否也有這樣嚴謹的求證呢？請指點。

onionfafa

小丸子爸

首先,我先聲明我與腦象圖沒有任何關係, 在此只是想客觀地分享我的親身感受, 請注意,我不會參與有些人的無聊駡戰,也不會回應.

我是一名網絡技術人員,原本是bk的非會員, 為了我的仔仔囡囡的事情我經常瀏覽bk討論區. 為了表逹我的感受,我終於登記為bk會員.

以非會員的身份, 我了解到腦象圖, 抱著既懷疑又開放的態度,我親自去了腦象圖測試中心,想用自己的眼睛去了解該中心的運作, 去了解腦象圖的技術原理及測試程序. 去到該中心後, 我明白了測試原理, 首先6個不同的腦區的腦電波的活躍度及敏感度都不一樣, 功能不好的區域,腦電波的頻率及變化度都不夠, 而功能好的區域確剛剛相反.

我的囡囡今年會考,在選科的時候,我們很困擾,從市場前途來看應該讀商學, 但囡囡又想讀歷史, 天哪, 讀完了歷史將來選擇工作的機會真的很少, 一方面是想了解囡囡的先天特長偏好, 讓囡囡能夠做到人盡其材,一方面為囡囡選科有一個客觀的參考值, 在我明白腦象圖測試原理後, 我選擇了讓囡囡接受腦象圖的測試.

首先,我想聲明:腦象圖中心的員工並沒有詢問囡囡的各種情況,只講解了測試過程就開始為囡囡測試,測試過程我們二夫婦一直陪伴左右, 可以肯定該中心的工作人員沒有向囡囡套料.

7個工作天後,我們去看測試報告,結果是我的囡囡的左前腦的邏輯思維能力及語言表達能力優秀, 右後腦的人際溝通能力良好, 其餘幾個腦區相對較弱, 因此, 我的囡囡在社會科學,社會工作,教育等學科較為適合.

有了腦象圖的測試結果, 我們又參考了國際公認的[全腦優勢]理論, 結合了囡囡的學習成績, 三種結果均十分吻合, 在徵求了囡囡的意見後,囡囡選擇了心理學科.

我是搞網絡技術的, 我相信數據, 腦象圖給我的是數據, 不是祈福!

我發現OL YU出現的時候, RHAM也出現, 於是我查到這是一個人用二個名字去發表的, 因為他們共同一個IP.

相信這個人不厭其煩的攻擊,歪曲,打壓腦象圖是因為這個人的業務因為腦象圖而受到影響, 我想講: 打壓別人不如提升自已. 這樣對待一個做研究的科學家, 實在是不可理解.

在此, 請測試過腦象圖的人站出來, 談談自己的感受.

Rham

我是搞網絡技術的, 我相信數據, 腦象圖給我的是數據, 不是祈福!

我發現OL YU出現的時候, RHAM也出現, 於是我查到這是一個人用二個名字去發表的, 因為他們共同一個IP.

看見這種胡亂差測，真的不知好嬲定好笑！

小丸子爸，請問你在甚麼公司或網站做網絡技術人員？作為一個網絡技術人員，難道你不知道很多 ISP 採用了 proxy/NAT 的技術以降低網絡頻寬的需求？用了 proxy/NAT 的結果是，所有用那個 proxy/NAT 的人的 IP Address 都是一樣的。而且大多數 ISP 都只會派 dynamic IP, 用戶是沒有固定 IP Address 的。那又怎可能單憑 IP Address 去判定是同一個人？

一般網民不知道這些完全不出奇，但你宣稱自己是網絡技術人員，對於這種基礎知識也沒有，實在使人困惑。

此外，若你真的取得我的 IP Address，你又是從那裡得到的？一個普通的 Baby Kingdom 會員根本不會知道其他用家的 IP Address。只有 Baby Kingdom 的 web server log 才會有，若然你真的知道我的 IP Address，只有三個可能：

一．你是 Baby Kingdom 的網絡技術人員，能夠直接取得 Baby Kingdom 的 web server log. 但好明顯，私自取得 web server log 用作其他用途並在這個討論區發表，是一個不誠實的行為，肯定違反 Baby Kingdom 的守則，你很可能會被 Baby Kingdom 解僱。

二．你是 Baby Kingdom 的 web hosting company 的網絡技術人員。這種情況就更加差：第一，你可能會被你的公司解僱之餘，你也會導致你的公司違反與 Baby Kingdom 的合約中之保密條款。

三．你是一個黑客，以非法的方式取得 Baby Kingdom 的 web server log。這樣的話，我會聯絡 Baby Kingdom，叫他們報警，由警方的科技罪案調查科跟進。

當然，最大的可能反而是，你根本就不是甚麼網絡技術人員，單憑最近有關「蠱惑天王」的新聞報導，就以為任何人都可以輕易取得他人的 IP Address，和單憑 IP Address 就可以知道誰在討論區發表！

題外話：其實，警方的科技罪案調查科首先要向法庭申請傳票，要求討論區的管理公司交出記錄，找出留言的人之 IP Address，再根據 IP Address 斷定是那一個 ISP，再要求 ISP 交出當天那個時段是那一個用戶正在用那個 IP Address，因可能是 dynamic IP。但因為討論區的網站和 ISP 都可能在香港境外，超越香港的司法管轄範圍，所以搜證其實可以很困難。

那麼，你究竟情願承認你在講大話，以上的「分享」完全是杜撰出來的，抑或是以上三個可能的其中一個？

狐狸的尾巴越來越露出來了！