幫孩子打好英文基楚(上篇) - 給父母的三個提示

samuel89

原帖由 cow 於 10-10-23 19:17 發表
bias, unfair.
我的看法跟你不一樣, 討論問題,不是比較誰強誰弱, 是比較誰對誰錯(當然唔一定要有對錯), 對不表強, 錯不示弱. 對者亦無權嘲笑錯者.
如版主明言可以嘲笑別人, 我不會在此多發一言!
版主可接受awah112對stccmc 作人身攻擊, 但不能接受stccmc 旳言論, 就是unfair.

http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=2229409&extra=page%3D1&page=15

Y2KChild  在 289#發文, 已經"長篇大論" 遂點論點解釋, 之後的發文是否你說的"嘲笑別人", 我想大家成年人, 受到合理"嘲笑", 大可"一笑置之", 即使受到無理的"嘲笑",都不至於需要版主干預吧......

原帖由 awah112 於 10-10-19 21:51 發表
你可能不知道，你的中文連書面語水評都達不到。

awah112對stccmc 作人身攻擊是指中文水平, 由於中文水平的標準很難量化, 我們根本不能判斷awah112的人身攻擊是否成立, 我相信版主都難以判斷, 還是果句, 由2位當事人自行辯論,都不至於需要版主干預吧......

至於stccmc 禁言的真正原因, 到現在版主還未明示, 難以相提並論....

hog.wash

原帖由 77777 於 10-10-24 02:51 發表
uncleedward,


我有朋友在一間比較有名的女校畢業, 常說自己英文在班中很一般, 不過當她一出來社會工作, 原來英文已經算係較佳的一群....

有些小學以英文為主教學的, 根本就不再須要任何supplement的課程去補充(這 ...

(手多多為自己户口加張靚仔相，忘記了五年前登記用的是舊ISP提供的電郵地址，早已失效，致原來uncleedward户口未能重新啟動。發了兩封電郵比Baby Kingdom均未有回音，只有暫時變身。原來普通人如我要變身也不易，要向家人借用流動電話號碼(因自已的已在BK登記)，找另一個電郵户口，而且發現原來hog是BK禁用的粗俗字，不能直接用作户口名稱。)

對不起，因上述的原因覆遲了。

首先，stccmc 真的沒有將Kumon比作毒品。當然，令聽者作負面聯想是辯論技巧之一，而你似乎又真的被激怒了。

或者我作另一比喻：深水埗合益泰的豬腸粉很出名，食過當然有資格講；就算未食過單憑各種渠道得到的資料也可以評論。例如你可以說：用豬油嘅，唔健康！

對我來說，Kumon就好似雞精，有益但苦澀難咽，很多時要父母迫；閱讀就好似雪耳燉雞，飲飲吓就會上癮。你說的總要查字典就是這原因，Kumon所載的都是excerpts，無頭無尾幾無癮。好似Dan Brown喜用rivet一字，第一次見唔識，算；一本Dan Brown下來見十次八次，又點會唔識。鼓勵孩子將同一作者的書逐本追，鐘意一本就多數鍾意第二本，讓興趣引領，所以我對Oxford Reading Tree或古文觀止此類書總提不起興趣。在這方面我是很摩爾摩斯的，不求系統。女兒高小的啟蒙作家是Andrew Clements，從Frindle開始，一本一本Andrew Clements看下去，起點低不要緊，年紀大了就自然會看深一點的。(當Amazon推出Kindle時，女兒就一口咬定Amazon是抄Clements橋，此為外話)還有，會便宜一點，女兒常說為我慳了不少補習費用。

[ 本帖最後由 hog.wash 於 10-10-27 14:27 編輯 ]

annie40

Hi 77777,

The books written by Dan Brown and Hannibal series do suit teens at age between 12-18 and adults, when Oxford Reading Tree suits kids age 3-7.    I got confusion that you have tried to persuade your son to read Oxford Reading tree since he has become a free reader long ago to enjoy Dan Brown.

annie

原帖由 77777 於 10-10-27 00:51 發表
其實我之前真係無同人地辯論的經驗(除bk), 可能您而家講起原來真係只係技巧之一....如果係咁, stccmc, eviepa, 真係唔好意思, 我都係認真左d.....其實而家諗返又真係好少事, 點解要一路死拗落去呢.....

查實每個人 ...

annie40

Thanks for replying me.  

Hannibal Trilogy consists of Red Dragon, The Silence of the Lamb, and Hannibal written by Thomass Harris.  Your son must be a super reader to enjoy psychological thrillers.  

原帖由 77777 於 10-10-27 14:19 發表
我可能講亂左d, 咁幾多歲真係唔記得左啦....可能行書展時叫過佢睇, 因同佢一齊揀書ma....

Hannibal 係 The silence of the lamb的繼集, 我唔知您話Hannibal Series 係咪同一樣野??


...

mattsmum

how do you find out about these ratings? i need to take control of my child's books too.

hog.wash

原帖由 mattsmum 於 10-10-23 23:02 發表
...想起"怎麼才能成為完美的父母？"-Freakonomics.

Freakonomics is quite an interesting books. I like the Chapter on drug dealing. It should be read by teenagers who'd like to 行古惑 or to become a so-called artist in the entertainment industry。The chapter on naming children has said something I have been telling my friends for years whenever they ask me for opinions how to name their children. I always ask them to learn from the royal family in England.

[ 本帖最後由 hog.wash 於 10-10-28 09:29 編輯 ]

nadal

原帖由 stccmc 於 10-10-27 22:32 發表
Hannibal

Amazon.com

This review is from: Hannibal (Paperback)
With Hannibal, Thomas Harris has given us a great comic novel that is "beyond good and evil." In this highly entertaining novel, Mr. Har ...

That is exactly what I've been thinking.

Just because kids are "capable" of reading adult books doesn't mean all adult books are suitable for them.

The Hannibal books are strictly adult fiction. They contain graphical violence, sex, bad language and adult themes NOT suitable for children. Period. (I have read the books myself so I know exactly what's in it).

7777777:

I believe your kid is only around P6, please help him to choose other young adult fiction (adventures / mysteries /etc) instead.

nadal

"Hannibal" is no "The Da Vinci Code" (Dan Brown). In my opinion, it's like comparing Class IIB to III.

nadal

Before you get all defensive when people talked about the books your kid is reading, you should seriously look at these books.

I guess you really don't know much about the Hannibal story.

"Hannibal" is not "Pride and prejudice". Hannibal is an adult psycho thriller. Its only purpose is to entertain adults. There are no moral story in it to learn from.

Dr Hannibal, the protagonist, is a serial killer who literally feeds on his victims (Hannibal the cannibal). He escaped from prison and was never caught again. Bad people with NO bad ending.

Wouldn't you say this is not a suitable story for a primary kid.

原帖由 77777 於 10-10-28 12:23 發表
其實我覺得看一本書時, 最重要是留意作者帶給讀者的訊息....

如在Hannibal中那個主角為何會這樣做, 他遇上了如何的際遇, 而一天如果我們遇上同樣的環境, 可以怎樣做, 是否有另一個處理方法更好而不至泥足深陷....

這才是看一本書真正的意義.....


沒有一本小說尢其一些得獎的小說是說做壞事的人可以無法無天的....有好下場的....

cow

小孩子都是天真旳好, "少年不識愁滋味" 比較開心.

cow

原帖由 77777 於 10-10-28 17:24 發表
...佢會學識凡事讓一步都唔係壞事, 唔會強出頭.....

佢真係好成熟.
我的小孩經常互不相讓.

nadal

7,

Reading your response (and other posts), I must admit that you do have a GIFT in seeing the "good" in every "not so good" situation.

If getting "moral education" for your son from Hannibal is a good enough justification for you to approve reading this book, then i think you will never have to worry about what your son read.

After all, at least he will learn some new words, good or bad.

原帖由 77777 於 10-10-28 16:28 發表
我就呢本書問左阿仔的睇法:

第一: 如果心智不成熟的人, 係唔適合睇呢本書....

第二: 有d表面好的人, 未必咁好, 有d表面差的人, 未必咁差, 人分分鐘人有兩面, 唔好太相信表面睇倒的野....

第三: 就係有時對敵人唔 ...