張祝珊英文中學

ccspy

ANChan59 寫道:
This year the DP stage is changed so much and most parents are aimed for ambitious targets, of course, the results are surprised.  In the CA stage, most parents will become more conservative, like myself.

What do you think????

For Band 1 students, they should be ambitious as the rule of the game guarantees that they can choose their schools ahead of the other bandings.
For Band 2 students, they should be conservative and play safe. Gambling for highly popular and competitive schools such as Band 1 EMI schools would cause them to lose terribly.
For Band 3 students, they do not have many choices but they should choose those schools with good discipline.

ccspy

大抽獎點樣分配學位已經係教統局網頁公布左：
甲部全港性抽獎有13個位
乙部東區抽獎有107個位
乙部觀塘區抽獎有10個位

祝大家好運！

KamLee

上年觀塘區抽獎有30個位, 今年只有10個位。都唔知好唔好填來博一博。  

ccspy 寫道:
大抽獎點樣分配學位已經係教統局網頁公布左：
甲部全港性抽獎有13個位
乙部東區抽獎有107個位
乙部觀塘區抽獎有10個位

祝大家好運！

ccspy

e+同想入張祝珊ge家長分享下個陣我同我小朋友報大抽獎時ge策略，首先聲明以下只係我個人ge諗法，最終ge決定都係由家長同你D小朋友黎定：

最緊要首先唔好諗自行分配得唔得，因為唔係自己控制ge範圍內，最好ge做法就當係冇黎做，咁就填表個時會考慮得更清楚同唔會亂黎。

要知道張祝珊係東區數一數二ge地區英中名校，所以會非常受東區同觀塘區家長同學生歡迎，我相信每年都有好多家長填報，由佢咁多年都收到100%Band 1學生就知。因此Band 2 同Band 3 ge學生同家長就唔好報，只會浪費自己寶貴ge機會。至於Band 1尾ge博唔博就自己諗，不過都會有危機ga，因為如果最終呈分後跌落Band 2就可以講完全冇機，我個人認為穩陣D比較有利。

今年由於有甲乙兩部大抽獎，所以比以前更加複雜。先諗甲部ge部署，由於學校受歡迎，相信自行分配選佢做第一志願ge家長唔少，所以自行分配60個學位應該收齊，因此甲部只有13個位比全港家長黎揀。由於佢係區內名校，區內ge知名度高，但區外ge家長就唔係太清楚，所以呢個係東區同觀塘區家長ge機會。由於學位太少只有13個，又要全港排Banding，所以Band 1頭學生博到ge機會較大，因為Band 1中同Band 1尾學生係全港排Banding時分分鐘會係Band 2而喪失其他珍貴ge機會。

至於乙部大抽獎，東區有大約5100學生，即係1700人係Band 1生，而學位只有107個，換句話只要超過呢個數目ge Band 1學生家長報就能夠滿額，我相信以佢做第一志願大抽獎一定唔少，所以如果想報又希望有機會應該選做第一志願，執輸行頭慘過敗家ma，選做其他志願好可能已經冇機。同樣道理，觀塘區ge家長一樣適用。

以上純屬個人諗法，請各位家長指教。

KamLee

謝謝分享!  

ccspy

KamLee 寫道:
上年觀塘區抽獎有30個位, 今年只有10個位。都唔知好唔好填來博一博。  

今年由於自行分配同甲部大抽獎分薄左D位，所以感覺上少左D，尤其是已經買少見少個D。至於博唔博得過就要自己去諗la，其實相對其他他區學校，佢都算多左少少。

ANChan59

ccspy

In your deatils analysis, when you talk about Section A, it sounds to me that the allocation is by territory rank order instead of luck draw.  

It makes big difference to me, I will go for both sections.

cherrybear

小女屬Band 1 頭
東區應該如何填30個選擇？
Thx~

ccspy

ANChan59 寫道:
ccspy

In your deatils analysis, when you talk about Section A, it sounds to me that the allocation is by territory rank order instead of luck draw.  

It makes big difference to me, I will go for both sections.

For Section A, the allocation scheme should be the same as Section B except for territory ranking for banding. Still there should be random number for the same banding in its allocation.

ccspy

cherrybear 寫道:
小女屬Band 1 頭
東區應該如何填30個選擇？
Thx~

先講下你想點填你D心儀中學，大家可以一齊參詳下。如果你囡囡係Band 1頭，只要隨機號碼靚，又鍾意用英文學，可博下英中先。東區英中話就話6.6人爭1個位，事實上大部份都係Band 1生ge天下。如果Band 1生個個都填曬英中先，Band 2 同Band 3學生應完全冇機會入，換句話即係變成6.6人除以3即係2.2人爭1個英中位，近乎一半機會，入唔到真係好唔好彩。但係呢個世界唔係想像中咁單純，所以有時Band 2生用一招<人唔敢博我敢博>都僥倖入到，咁高風險都掂左，真係祖宗有靈。

cherrybear

因不熟悉東區的學校，只知几間英中，其它學校的banding不太清楚．如first choice填ccsc那second choice可否填聖馬可呢?其它就不知怎樣填了，請帮帮忙！因不是住在港島區所以柴灣或小西灣的太遠不考慮。

ccspy

cherrybear 寫道:
因不熟悉東區的學校，只知几間英中，其它學校的banding不太清楚．如first choice填ccsc那second choice可否填聖馬可呢?其它就不知怎樣填了，請帮帮忙！因不是住在港島區所以柴灣或小西灣的太遠不考慮。

小朋友如果係仔，Band 1頭或中可考慮張祝珊、中國婦女會、聖馬可；Band 1尾宜考慮中國婦女會、聖馬可、筲官，因為易讀D。
如果係女，Band 1頭或中可考慮張祝珊、庇理羅氏、中國婦女會、聖馬可、嘉諾撒；Band 1尾宜考慮中國婦女會、聖馬可、嘉諾撒、筲官。

ANChan59

This info may be useful for the parents in HKE

cymummy 寫道:
有事想請教, 今日明報刊登了下表, 就SSP區而言, 升中小六生為3,495人,但我將”選校一覽表-SSP區”中所提供之學額加起來,只得2,353+271=2,624人, 咁係咪;即係有871人(3,495 – 2,624 ) 已於自行收生階段成功左呀, 而真正需要進行大抽獎的就只是2,624人呀?

我又從”選校一覽表-SSP區”算出, 供不是聯繫學生的英中學額有704人即 <575人(本區) + 129人(他區)>, 咁就進行大抽獎的2,624人中, 將佢除以3, 即估計是875人是band one 生, 再扣除埋聯繫學生的196人, 即679人, 咁即係所有band one生都分到英中學位, 但應該無咁著數家喎, 唔知我在那裡估計錯誤呢? 請指教!
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I like your quantitative approach and I replicate in HK East as well. Here is my findings:

You guessed 871 students are accepted either in DP or through DSS scheme is correct. E.g. 4443-3059=1384 in HKE, and HKE has 28 Schools * 60 students = 1680, pretty close.

Your second questions about 2624/3 = 875 in Band one is correct, but you can't minus 196 associated schools seats directly, unless all 196 are band one seats. I doubt it. In HKE 3059/3 = 1019 for Band one, Band one EMI Asso Schools = 74 (BPS + SKWGSS + QC) (out of 204), so 955 band one students compete (lucky draw) for 604 seats (deducted the Asso Schools seats already). Therefore the chance is 604/955 = 63%.

ccspy

ANChan59 寫道:
This info may be useful for the parents in HKE

I like your quantitative approach and I replicate in HK East as well. Here is my findings:

You guessed 871 students are accepted either in DP or through DSS scheme is correct. E.g. 4443-3059=1384 in HKE, and HKE has 28 Schools * 60 students = 1680, pretty close.

Your second questions about 2624/3 = 875 in Band one is correct, but you can't minus 196 associated schools seats directly, unless all 196 are band one seats. I doubt it. In HKE 3059/3 = 1019 for Band one, Band one EMI Asso Schools = 74 (BPS + SKWGSS + QC) (out of 204), so 955 band one students compete (lucky draw) for 604 seats (deducted the Asso Schools seats already). Therefore the chance is 604/955 = 63%.

Your analysis is a strong support and good news to Band 1 students and parents helping them make better decisions. However, this may be bad news to Band 2 and 3 students and parents.

Anyway some Band 1 students and parents dare not compete for these EMI schools especially those at the end of the Band 1 as they don't know whether they can still remain in Band 1 at the end. Therefore in order to play safe they may choose Band 1 CMI schools leaving those who want to compete with even better chances. That's why sometimes Band 2 students can enter some EMI schools if they dare to take risks.

ANChan59

I did a table may be useful for HKE parents:

EMI     Boy          Girl       Co-Edu
            0            157        424          same net
            7              10            6          outside

            7            167       430           604 seats

CMI     310          97      1729           same net
               6           6           29           outside

           316         103     1758           2177 seats

So around 1000 students in Band 1, after round one not many EMI seats left already.  Not more than 2 EMI schools in first 5 choices. If not we will be in great trouble and disappointment.

What I learnt now is how to screen some good Band 1 CMI schools for my son for choice 3-5.

Of course, as ccspy said you can take risk but not for me.   

KL

Can somebody clarify: for the central allocation, if both are Band 1 students, what is the determining factor?  The school result or the number generated by the computer?  If it's the latter, luck will determine your fate.  

ccspy

KL 寫道:
Can somebody clarify: for the central allocation, if both are Band 1 students, what is the determining factor?  The school result or the number generated by the computer?  If it's the latter, luck will determine your fate.  

For all Band 1 students, no matter you are the top or bottom one, each one will be treated the same and given a random number. If you are lucky, you can get a smaller number and will be allocated first according to your choices. That's why sometimes a Band 1 bottom student can get into a better school than a Band 1 top student. As long as you can get into the Band 1 category, it's alright. The remaining determining factor is sheer luck.

ccspy

ANChan59 寫道:
I did a table may be useful for HKE parents:

EMI     Boy          Girl       Co-Edu
            0            157        424          same net
            7              10            6          outside

            7            167       430           604 seats

CMI     310          97      1729           same net
               6           6           29           outside

           316         103     1758           2177 seats

So around 1000 students in Band 1, after round one not many EMI seats left already.  Not more than 2 EMI schools in first 5 choices. If not we will be in great trouble and disappointment.

What I learnt now is how to screen some good Band 1 CMI schools for my son for choice 3-5.

Of course, as ccspy said you can take risk but not for me.   

You are wonderful to present such a detail and quantitative analysis for the HK East students and parents.

I agree with you that for Band 1 students, the first two choices should be EMI whilst the rest may be CMI to play safe. So my view on choosing the EMI schools is:
Band 1 top & middle students - Top EMI for 1st choice and middle EMI for 2nd choice
Band 1 bottom students - Middle EMI for 1st choice and bottom EMI for 2nd choice as these students may lose confidence quickly when competing with the top students

What is your view on this?

ANChan59

ccspy 寫道:
Band 1 top & middle students - Top EMI for 1st choice and middle EMI for 2nd choice
Band 1 bottom students - Middle EMI for 1st choice and bottom EMI for 2nd choice as these students may lose confidence quickly when competing with the top students

What is your view on this?

My comment is all depends on random number.  The banding and rank order is another factor for parents consideration for which school is best fit your children.  Another point for consideration is the vacancies of the school is equal important, like BPS 77 seats and CCSC is 107 seats.

ANChan59

ccspy 寫道:
Band 1 top & middle students - Top EMI for 1st choice and middle EMI for 2nd choice
Band 1 bottom students - Middle EMI for 1st choice and bottom EMI for 2nd choice as these students may lose confidence quickly when competing with the top students

What is your view on this?

My comment is all depends on random number.  The banding and rank order is another factor for parents consideration for which school is best fit your children.  Another point for consideration is the vacancies of the school is equal important, like BPS 77 seats and CCSC is 107 seats.