06年9月入讀九龍塘宣道小學的家長請進

ChiChiPaPa

twosonspa 寫道:
YY媽咪,

你憂慮多了, 這會令你容易鑽入牛角尖, 容易與子女產生磨擦, 點捱六年呀!
校長曾說:不理潮流怎變, 最重要做好自己基礎. 如ChiChiPaPa寫道"學術和英語才是main factor"(加上看書習慣及品德培養), 便一生受用了. 體育與音樂, 盡力而為吧!但要寧專勿廣. 如真要抄捷徑, 樂器上替他選擇樂團內嚴重缺乏的聲部, 如viola.

唔......好似有老師的孩子學viola。不過，我都係喜歡校長果句「不理潮流怎變, 最重要做好自己基礎. 」

晞晴媽咪

Hi ChiChiPaPa,

係啦...係呢本書啦...但樂理老師話本書我個女應該睇唔明, 我睇就差唔多, 哈哈, 而且主要會用作 term definition 的解說, 所以叫我唔好買住, 如個次有練習要用到本書找答案, 我就直接在琴行借本書叫亞女抄左個答案就算...嘻嘻...

另外, 你個女同simoomhot 個仔仔就好啦, 可以叫樂器老師教埋樂理, 你地知我個女把口無收嫁啦, 人又無時停, 鋼琴老師跟左佢幾年, 又熟佢, 所以明知我想快快趣下年二月考樂理試, 所以堅持唔肯教埋佢樂理, 費時到時上堂我個女恃熟買熟玩玩下, 到頭來唔合格就大劑啦...所以介紹左個幾嚴肅的老師比我, so far OK wor...起碼佢仲肯認真上堂, 不過明顯見佢唔太有信心答老師問題, 一來可能同老師唔熟, 驚錯左比老師鬧, 平時見佢彈歌 D 譜仲深過樂理書個 D 都無問題, 可能未慣, 希望遲 D 佢表現會好 D 啦....

晞晴媽咪    

simoomhot

ChiChiPaPa 寫道:

係喎！妳冇揀KTS，咁點解妳冇好似我太太咁有個疑問：功課出奇的少、中文教學、冇KTS教得咁快、冇KTS咁多運動精英，唔明點解到了小六，會咁多APS的學生考入著名的中學。(註：在升學方面，運動表現其實殺食過音樂好多。)

Hi ChiChiPaPa

你太太疑問，亦即是當年我地一年級家長們熱門話題。我不知道kts英文課程是怎樣，好難去比較，另外我當年見kts書單的常識書，低年班是用英文書，但到了高年班時用回中文書，而KTS會不會教埋英數?  我成日會諗KTS程度同APS差不多，不過我也想聽聽你的見解。

kidslover

看到Twosonspa & Chulaiah 有關音樂發展的回應：「所以最好在小五要考到西樂8級merit」   自己數了數手指，也有simoomhot 的同感，好像怎麼算也差一點

小兒今年11月將會考三級琴。就算運氣好、過了關，日後一年考一級到小五也是到七級。今年上了小學後我打算看緊一點他的功課，再加上多學一種樂器，還有可能安排時間去跳級考琴嗎？

Twosonspa, 恭喜你的囝囝在音樂方面有出色的發展。可否分享他在八級樂器的進度時間表？

ChiChiPaPa

Hi，Simoomhot！

先講常識，在我們小孩入讀的前一年，KTS的堂識科係分為中文教的常識和英文教的integrated science，所以妳見到高年班係用中文書。在我地小孩入讀的那一年，常識完全轉用英語。如果當年我地的小孩入讀KTS，就會用英文學General Studies，一直學到小六畢業。

數學用中文教 (好似係有些英數的練習，不過，我冇見過。)

KTS程度同APS差不多？KTS在好多科目，都教得快過APS。不過，快未必就是好，亦未必代表深。

大家可能最關心英文，KTS有3個NET，APS只有一個。KTS的Net教Oral，亦每週和英語老師有join class(，即係一起教)。APS的NET係教phonics，不是教Oral。兩間都很重視oral。KTS有英文周，有較多和Net接觸的機會和很support同學應考Trinity的英語會話考試。APS的Oral就有較多不同形式的Practice，而同學亦有很多機會向一大班人講oral。兩間Oral都不弱。

APS的英語課程係phonics-based, with strong emphasis upon sentence structures。(亦因此APS的NET是教phonics)整個課程係很有系統地去build a strong English foundation。這些sentence structures由於不斷運用，學生的書寫能力無形中被提高。而phonics-based和讀readers的訓練，就有助提高reading的能力。KTS則採用較快的英語課程(但好像仍未及SFA深)，Grammar運用會比APS學得快(注:我以小一、二作比較，我冇小二以上的資料，除了睇到APS的cycle plan)。我相信到小六，APS的學生應該係有一個較強的英文foundation，但由於沒有中學，想最終英語能力高過英文小學的畢業生和或英語課程較快的學校，就一定要進入一間英語較好的中學，咁個strong foundation先完全發揮到威力。還有比較一些英文小學(不是KTS)，APS在小一和小二做得較少creative writing，如果只靠代入sentence structure，其實在寫作上，小二的表現未必可以強過一些英文小學的學生。

由於我所知很有限，大家請指正。

在英文，我最想個女可以Movers，Flyers，KET，一直考到PET。但以現時在cycle plan上有限的資料，我覺得到小五完，都未足以應付PET。我可能貪心左D。我相信KTS的課程都一樣應付不到PET，否則以KTS鼓勵學生應考公開試的做法，佢應該會支持學生考PET。

gigi2

HI, APS parents,

If you don't mind I would like to share with you.  The NET teaches the phonics = Oral lesson since P.1 upto P.6.  In fact, the curriculum from our school has changed a lot which I heard from some teachers and a P.6 graduate from KTS.


[quote]由於我所知很有限，大家請指正。

ChiChiPaPa

GiGi2，

多謝！如果不介意的話，請講多一些有關英語的安排，無論係在KTS或APS的topic。因為我都好想知，自己不是KTS家長，而我還有一個2歲的小朋友將來要選校。我所知的是由我觀察小女的朋友而知，因為她們有時會互相幫忙做exercise，之間一些的相對強弱，會感覺得到。

我知道KTS的Oral課包括Phonics。很多小學在英文科都有教phonics。而宣小的整個英文course是圍著phonics而設計，所以用不到坊間的英文書，而選的readers都很多係phonics based。學生遇到的生字很少tricky words。Phonics係獨立於Oral的一課，由NET老師教；宣小的Oral課是由英文科(本地)老師教。而每次默書、測驗和考試都要考phonics。

simoomhot

Hi GiGi2,

你是友校的家長，歡迎你入來一起討論!

YY媽咪

Hi twosonspa,

你講得對,我太多憂慮 ,所以我唔再去諗咁多,順其自然,如你和ChiChiPaPa所講"學術和英語才是main factor"(加上看書習慣及品德培養).

Hi ChiChiPaPa,

待我在家長日(29/07),見完音樂老師後,學什麼樂器,我再向你請教,到時再煩麻你 看完你以上所講,我都十分之認同,我相信囡囡學術和語文方面可以做得好過音樂好多,我會幫助她打好基礎.    

Hi 晞晴媽咪,

我都是在職媽咪,我明白你的心情,有時都真係幾悶,但希望你繼續陪伴囡囡上樂理堂,她會很開心和用心學習,對她是十分之有鼓勵作用,.............努力呀    我會向你和ChiChipaPa學習  

celina827

Hi ChiChiPaPa :
我囡囡今個星期一去咗KTS返暑期班, 送佢往返學校的同時我亦去感受一下間學校, 第一及第二個星期上英文課, 上課第二日教Grammar Practice Book 1B, 係堂上做咗兩板作業, 其實己開始緊教學, 所以學校要每個小朋友都要上暑期班, 唔參加就要寫信比校長, 所以到咗一年級下學年己教Grammar Practice Book 2B, 唔知英文方面, KTS係唔係教得比ATS快呢?
有日係學校見到個小朋友好慘, 比d蚊咬咗好多啖, 後來發覺原來自己都係受害者(嚴重受到攻擊, 因無穿長褲), 依家隻腳仲好痕, 好彩個女無事! 不過都要噴蚊怕水防一防.
Celina827

gigi2

Hi all,

I'm quite busy recently but I would also like to chat more if available.  Honestly, I really admire you all as working parents who always can share with others.  And today I can have a bit more free time.....

I am the parent of a lower class with 2 years experience in the campus, as far as I know we have 3 NETs to be responsible for the curriculum development and design in all English subjects.  2 or 3 years ago KTS only had 2 NETs at school.  We use the Longman Phonics book to teach phonics in class.  Every week we have 2 Oral/Phonics classes by NET.  I heard from a P.6 graduate parent that in the past they only got some revision phonics papers in class.  For the curriculum development in the recent years,  KTS also stresses on phonic teaching but we still do not need to 每次默書、測驗和考試都要考phonics or it may be implemented at higher grade which I do not know yet.  From my personal view, it might be good for students to revise phonics by dictation, test or exam which at least they will pay more attention to remember those rules.   Fortunately, my girl acquired a good foundation of phonic from her kindergarten and therefore she still can manage well in this aspect.

Other than that, our school will arrange a lot of English activities during the terms.  Activities can be arranged in some special events, during the recess after lunch, after school or for a whole week.  Some students will be selected to join the activities based on their capabilities after recommendation by the teachers.   Those programmes including Maths, English, G.S. or Chinese that you can check from the school website which are newly set up.  

KTS students get a lot of papers to do in the class including creative writing, thematic, listening and especially the grammar worksheets.  They are required to work together by a drama playing or small group discussion or formal classroom setting in order to complete them in the class rather than taking those papers as homework.  How do I know these?  Two ways – one is checking from my girl and other way is we can take children to the classroom and stay until the school bell rings.  To me, these several minutes are quite useful and valuable to understand in general what & how my girl are going to learn.

Same as the Chinese, the English curriculum stresses on listening, oral, writing and reading.  Frankly, when I first joined the KTS which I felt that the emphasis of English still had a lot of rooms for improvement.  I also reflected some ideas on the opinion survey at the end of school term and I am very glad to see that the school is eager to stress more in those areas and keeps on the continuous improvement.

To me, both APS and KTS are the good schools with good quality of teaching.  Some friends felt surprise with my decision to select KTS but gave up APS as APS got a better banding percentage.  Personal feeling, either you accept KTS or APS finally which I do think that parents have already taken a very serious consideration about the capability and adaptability of our children to the targeted school.  

It's time to rush back now and really happy to talk a lot with APS parents.

ChiChiPaPa

celina827 寫道:
Hi ChiChiPaPa :
我囡囡今個星期一去咗KTS返暑期班, 送佢往返學校的同時我亦去感受一下間學校, 第一及第二個星期上英文課, 上課第二日教Grammar Practice Book 1B, 係堂上做咗兩板作業, 其實己開始緊教學, 所以學校要每個小朋友都要上暑期班, 唔參加就要寫信比校長, 所以到咗一年級下學年己教Grammar Practice Book 2B, 唔知英文方面, KTS係唔係教得比ATS快呢?
有日係學校見到個小朋友好慘, 比d蚊咬咗好多啖, 後來發覺原來自己都係受害者(嚴重受到攻擊, 因無穿長褲), 依家隻腳仲好痕, 好彩個女無事! 不過都要噴蚊怕水防一防.
Celina827

Celina827，

係。KTS係比APS快。

以我的意見，KTS的小一的暑期班係好過APS的暑期班。如果有得選，應該讀KTS的暑期班。我諗唔好用有冇蚊咬來選學校。今天香港的孩子受到過份的保護。(希望學校不要介意我這樣說，只係一個個人的意見。)

GiGi2真係好，和我們分享這麼多。其實，如果冇幾個不同學校的孩子走在一起，係很難發覺每間學校的課程的core value。我估都唔係所有宣小小二的家長知道他們的孩子的運用phonics能力去學英語已比他校學生強，亦可能冇留意在Grammar和Creative writing方面可能不夠友校快或強。不過，如果你問我邊個好D，其實我認為APS的方法好D，因為佢係學一種learn to learn的能力，會為將來建立一個好的基礎。

YY媽咪

Hi Celina827,

我囡囡都有參加宣小的暑期班,下星期一上課,到時大家可以傾吓
不過我聽聞有啲宣小家長話宣小暑期班係玩,唔似上堂方式學習,上唔上都冇所謂,而我覺得最緊要投入參與,在過程中一定有得益.至少可以認識吓同學,互相學習,享受學校的生活  

gigi2

Chichipapa,

Frankly, I do not know much about the curriculum development in APS and to certain extent, I am the working mother who seldom to compare my one to the other ones.  You are a very good papa and really working hard to 'dig' any information for your girl.    As far as I find that my girl is developing well and keep up her standard in her school, which is, quite enough to me la.


[quote]我估都唔係所有宣小小二的家長知道他們的孩子的運用phonics能力去學英語已比他校學生強，亦可能冇留意在Grammar和Creative writing方面可能不夠友校快或強。不過，如果你問我邊個好D，其實我認為APS的方法好D，因為佢係學一種learn to learn的能力，會為將來建立一個好的基礎。

ChiChiPaPa

YY媽咪，

其實在暑期班的安排上，已反映了兩所學校在教學上不同的價值觀。不過，作為家長，有時會擔心，如果不是「寸土必爭」，會被對方超越。

YY媽咪

ChiChiPaPa,

我認同.每間學校教學模式不一,有好有不好,當選擇了一所自己認為適合囝囝囡囡的學校,就要信任學校,盡力而為吧.
各家長互相討論各學校教學模式,互相了解,是件好事.(知己知彼,先有進步嗎)

ChiChiPaPa 寫道:
YY媽咪，

其實在暑期班的安排上，已反映了兩所學校在教學上不同的價值觀。不過，作為家長，有時會擔心，如果不是「寸土必爭」，會被對方超越。

M仔媽

我的兒子在宣小9月份讀P2,`坦白說起初我十分恐懼,怕自己和小兒 未必能夠應付,在小1的日子給我feel 到小朋友一定需要父母共同學習便能夠有好的結果.很高興見到各家長的保貴意見,我和小兒會在P2繼續努力       

twosonspa

kidslover 寫道:

Twosonspa, 恭喜你的囝囝在音樂方面有出色的發展。可否分享他在八級樂器的進度時間表？

他在小一才開始學樂器, 3年級開學考4級, 5年級開學考6級, 6年級開學才考8級. 我覺得小五時考到七級已很出色. 同他入男拔的同學也有是七級. 請留意男拔要求sight-reading, 以確認是否名符其實的8級.

ChiChiPaPa

昨天我太太已經帶左個女去行書展，不過，亞女話唔夠喉，叫我再帶佢去過。

聽左晞晴媽咪講，已check下可不可以先教個女分數加法，先發覺3下D的數學書都係得分數的簡介，到4上A都未有分數加法。

在通利，見到有隻何司能教授的樂理和樂器介紹的DVD，唔知會唔會冇睇本樂理書咁悶？不過成180元。

囡囡的大提琴考試在9月初，已經開始學考試歌。9月初，囡囡會有歌唱比賽，但未知日期，希望唔會撞。

上次囡囡參加校際音樂節的歌唱比賽，因為吃熱氣野，失左聲。個聲樂老師話下次遇到同樣情形，早些通知佢，佢可以在比賽當日幫囡囡開聲，話萬試萬靈，又話可以維持到比賽完都唔會有問題。其實我已經即時帶囡囡睇醫生。原來D聲樂老師有秘方去開聲，重勁過D醫生，唔怪得D歌星唔會因為失聲而失場。

twosonspa

I feel so sorry to see a message in 校友天地 of the school website stating that Mr. Leung had an serious accident yesterday. Let's pray for him.