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samsam123321

caa 發表於 15-12-13 21:42
Yes you may argue as such but ESF "selects" just out of its need because English is the medium of le ...

你說的情況，在p1 可能會是，但越升越高班時，卻不是non selective,問下中學時插班生的學校來源，好多都是出名的小學，普通學校少見入到esf

nintendo

其實，ESF 並非 selective school。
中間插班當然要做 screening，但只考好基本的，主要是英文程度可應付用英文上堂，這對 local children 可能有一點難，但一定不算 "selective"。
家長愛自己學校我明，希望自己學校感覺上較 "精英" 我明，但請勿太誇張誇大，令人反感。
利申：我是 STC 家長。

samsam123321

nintendo 發表於 15-12-14 17:21
其實，ESF 並非 selective school。
中間插班當然要做 screening，但只考好基本的，主要是英文程度可應付用 ...

請解釋為何我見不到不知名本地小學學生入到ESF中學？雖說不是selective, 但就收很多selective school 的學生，如DGS。
本地local school,能說到IS級數的英文，跟本上就是top 5%以上的學生。

annie40

nintendo是資深前輩家長，好心講事實，咁都要抝？香港地有成萬個ESF生，孩子有語境，就能說了，有舍稀奇。 說話涵蓋吐字，style, 內容，高低抑揚，態度，還有各式口音，不是dadada, 又lalala, 就以為是奇貨可居的，有級數可言。這個top 5 % ， 從何以來？個人資料搜集嗎？

samsam123321

那請你解釋吧。反正我也覺得自己很資深，但我從不會話在討論區說出自己資深，是其是，非其非，又不是bureaucracy,何須用資深與否來壓我？

samsam123321

annie40 發表於 15-12-15 08:13
nintendo是資深前輩家長，好心講事實，咁都要抝？香港地有成萬個ESF生，孩子有語境，就能說了，有舍稀奇。  ...

看清楚我是說esf新收插班local school 學生，不是說整體所有人。

ANChan59

好多時，我覺得在EK有部分家長濫用 selective school ，好易引起爭議。


多年前，我深覺 LPCUWC 是 matching 而非 selection , 但以現在的標準，又會當 screening 的 selective school。求過於供，要有先後，好自然，過程是否公平，合理才是重點！

samsam123321

annie40 發表於 15-12-15 08:13
nintendo是資深前輩家長，好心講事實，咁都要抝？香港地有成萬個ESF生，孩子有語境，就能說了，有舍稀奇。  ...

雖然我在這post 從無提到口音問題，但似乎最concern 口音果個是你？

nintendo

samsam123321 發表於 15-12-15 08:42
那請你解釋吧。反正我也覺得自己很資深，但我從不會話在討論區說出自己資深，是其是，非其非，又不是bureau ...

資深 since when?
During the time when economy was poor, many expat left Hong Kong, and also lots of local chinese students also left because of the economy (financial issue). Entering ESF system was not as hard as now. The reason? ESF does not really have high bar to screen students. Basically, as long as you can communicate in English (which is probably not hard for most Hong Kong students, as long as they practice a bit, and who would not prepare for interviews?)
NOTE: Like I said, the admission policy is definitely not selective.
The reason why many elite students are now at ESF is merely a "result" not a cause.
If you think, saying that ESF is selective would make yourself feel better, go ahead.
OTHER PEOPLE do not think so, and it only make yourself sound lame.
You know what, only SOME ESF parents always think ESF is a selective school, elite school, whatever you guys think.
OTHER schools think we are really so and so. Considering the really very ordinary IB average (compared to other really selective schools), if we are really selective than the selective process is not working.
PS: To be quite honest, it is quite disgusting for these endless "blow water" about ESF. As an ESF parent, I really feel embarrassed.

samsam123321

nintendo 發表於 15-12-15 09:41
資深 since when?
During the time when economy was poor, many expat left Hong Kong, and also lots of ...

重提資深與否？上文已解釋，我又不是討論區出糧比我（可能有些人是）我無需要理我的資歷。其他人也無權理我。

nintendo

samsam123321 發表於 15-12-15 09:48
重提資深與否？上文已解釋，我又不是討論區出糧比我（可能有些人是）我無需要理我的資歷。其他人也無權理我 ...

It is important. Since you have not seen the days when there were lots of "ordinary school kids" entered ESF.
In that case, go ahead and tell everyone ESF is a selective school.

samsam123321

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caa

Back to the subject about selecting students to do IB, ESF does have 2 routes - IB and BTEC. BTEC is less academic and more vocational. But I am not ESF parent and do not know how ESF students are divided into these 2 routes - by own choice, by "consultation" based on academic results or how. Does this process shed a light on whether IB is only meant for academically more capable students?

annie40

回覆 MC1128 的帖子

MC1128,
暫時仍未找到DSE中文卷。倒是詢問了姐姐的意見，她從前教過中文，女兒也考過DSE, 約談的反映是：我們舊有香港會考生，如果中文修養高，文筆好，考中文試的問題很直接，得到佳績是情理之內。現在的DSE中文卷，問題較刁難間接，捉錯用神，是災難性的失分了，總體是合格不難，高分是難度高。

其中最感迷惘的是名校生，有理想抱負，當然不容有失，偏是brand one學校，全英授課，接觸中文相對較少，因此常見是英文科5級以上手到拿來，而中文就是「危危乎」，出了結果才鬆一口氣。

聽到后真后悔自己自以為是，用自己的腦袋概括別人的處境，在此認真道歉。

ANChan59

最敬重實事求是的人！

annie40

當然再過幾年，今天的焦慮又成為小兒科了。

近日聽聞姪女的同學，剛跟讀mediciine的 男友去完日本渡假，回來就被分手，傷心死了。孩子們真的要學的是帶眼識人呢！

annie40

資深前輩是形容比我們累積經驗多，見識廣，從歷史到新物事，也走過了。他們走過我們未走過的路，遇到我們未遇到的事，想過又做過錯的對的很多了，願意真心分享，是后輩之福。他們的話未必全對，聽不聽可以自由篩選，當中不少前瞻性意見是金科玉律。

新手家長能交上這種朋友，是自己孩子的福氣。

samsam123321

caa 發表於 15-12-15 10:10
Back to the subject about selecting students to do IB, ESF does have 2 routes - IB and BTEC. BTEC is ...

有quota限制

samsam123321

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nintendo

ANChan59 發表於 15-12-15 09:00
好多時，我覺得在EK有部分家長濫用 selective school ，好易引起爭議。

LPC is not a good example.
The admission process does screen students according to academics and the written test.
Then a selected number of students would be invited to the challenge day.
Of course, from then on, I do believe it is a matching rather than selection.

ESF does not select students according to academic abilities. This is for sure. I have helped a few friends who chose to move to Hong Kong apply to ESF throughout the years. The earliest was like 15 years ago. The kids were both born in the US. There was no centralised application and I had to call the ESF school and requested for admission. My friend and I went to meet the head (children not in Hong Kong yet). We have discussed what the admission requirements were. The head said they do not select students according to academic abilities but he had to be sure the children can communicate in English. In any case, they were both accepted into ESF. They have graduated from university now.

I do not understand what the big deal it is with admitting the fact that ESF is not selective. May be some people feel that it would feel better if he keeps telling himself "ESF is a selective school" as his own child is in ESF and of course, who would not want his child to be in a selective or elite school. To be honest, if ESF is indeed a selective elite school, we parents should be worried as the IB average is far from being even close to some of the other IB schools. We ESF parents are proud of being in the ESF family as ESF is no selective and yet still have quite decent IB average.

Anyway, that's it. Quite tired.