大學收生須增透明度 貧富「成績鴻溝」待縮窄

ABC-DAD

shadeslayer 發表於 18-8-19 12:51
我理解，其實只有醫科多國際學校生，因為外國醫科，香港執業太難。

在外國讀醫科或其它專業學科，能否有實習機會，係一個不確定性，比畢業後回港考執業試同樣令人關心。直白說，對回流生最大考量同吸引力,會否在於可以在港執業的保障呢？

shadeslayer

英國計，Law 的 conversion 好易。

我問過一個法律界有多 firm 的人，HKU vs 英國U，佢說「梗係英國」。有時間才講。

ABC-DAD

shadeslayer 發表於 18-8-19 19:17
英國計，Law 的 conversion 好易。

我問過一個法律界有多 firm 的人，HKU vs 英國U，佢說「梗係英國」。有 ...

會否法律專業在UK 都要相當出眾嘅成績同個人能力才有競爭力去突圍呢？

freespeech

shadeslayer 發表於 18-8-19 12:51
我理解，其實只有醫科多國際學校生，因為外國醫科，香港執業太難。

如果好似 97前醫科回來不需額外考試，我 相信好多國際學校 學生寧願 出國讀醫。

RidingC

Some elite local schools provide students with an alternative of entering IB route during senior years.  That option is available only to a selected number of students who have the ability to excel in IB programme.  This could be one of the reasons why IB students appear to have better odds.  
Also as previously been mentioned, parents who send kids to IB schools are more well off.  What does it have to do with the success rate?  Parents more likely to be degree holder and professional, enjoy early exposure to a variety of people and places, better diet and living environment, going to schools which can afford to hire quality teachers and implement more innovative teaching methods.  The list goes on...

The situation may be clearer if we look at the phenomenon as a whole, rather than focusing on the university acceptance rate of the 2 routes alone.

shadeslayer

RidingC 發表於 18-8-20 03:49
Some elite local schools provide students with an alternative of entering IB route during senior yea ...

Rational people would do that.   It seems I overestimated EK parents rationality.

Even if statistically one curriculum is "easier" to get full marks for example than the other one, what does it mean? Are we comparing the same ddemographics?  I imagine the difficult areas to get a full mark are very different between curricula.

Doray

ABC-DAD 發表於 18-8-19 19:12
在外國讀醫科或其它專業學科，能否有實習機會，係一個不確定性，比畢業後回港考執業試同樣令人關心。直白說 ...

Of course, especially when the returns of a doctor in HK (in terms of money) is much more higher than overseas.
For Law Degree, it would count less as the elite students who are studying overseas could work as the intern during summer in HK and then get the offer of the big firm at Year 3 even before they get admission to PCLL.  They would consider more prestigious to get the law degree in UK (of course talking about Oxbridge and LSE).

ABC-DAD

Doray 發表於 18-8-20 09:19
Of course, especially when the returns of a doctor in HK (in terms of money) is much more higher tha ...

寫返中文啦，睇得好辛苦。。

hkpapa852

ABC-DAD 發表於 18-8-20 10:54
寫返中文啦，睇得好辛苦。。

唔寫英文點顯得elite D

我一直覺得, 話家長教學歷好, 家境較好, 所以投放資源多, 令讀IBDP學生成績比普遍學生好呢D說話, 根本又係階級歧視

甚至乎, 又係難聽過粗口既說話

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呢篇幾好睇下Managing Medical School Debt

ilyrd

有人坦白講出現實嗜,因為buy呢個現實,所以認為是正常.

ilyrd

都唔記得邊個講,細個已經聽:"鬼叫你窮啞,頂硬上啦"

hkpapa852

ABC-DAD 發表於 18-8-20 11:14
呢篇幾好睇下Managing Medical School Debt

咁駛唔駛禁止NJ入醫學院既學生申請Grant/Loan?

避免出現類似既金融危機?

RidingC

hkpapa852 發表於 18-8-20 11:09


我一直覺得, 話家長教學歷好, 家境較好, 所以投放資源多, 令讀IBDP學生成 ...

If you were referring to my previous message on the demographic of IB students, stating known facts that help explain a phenomenon is very neutral by nature.  Whether we choose to examine those facts, to ignore them, or to feel put off by them is up to our own choice.  

samsam123321

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shadeslayer

samsam123321 發表於 18-8-20 11:47
直資名校年年出狀元，好似10a港姐父母都係專業人士，入得去讀個個都要比學費，神科是否應該設額，每年只收5 ...

只收五個咩人？

shadeslayer

samsam123321 發表於 18-8-20 11:47
直資名校年年出狀元，好似10a港姐父母都係專業人士，入得去讀個個都要比學費，神科是否應該設額，每年每間 ...

記得有個案係窮家父母「怕高攀」，唔敢申請。

shadeslayer

samsam123321 發表於 18-8-20 11:47
直資名校年年出狀元，好似10a港姐父母都係專業人士，入得去讀個個都要比學費，神科是否應該設額，每年每間 ...

點計窮人富人？線劃係邊？

即係，中產學生苦讀，但家長忙又慳，無乜額外資源，雖然拿 34分入醫，但有富人 quota，所以個位比左 拿32分的草根學生？

你點解釋比34 分學生聽佢個夢想比左個了32分的窮人？怪佢出世於中產家庭？

公義，都係要益自己時才講。

akys

hkpapa852 發表於 18-8-20 11:09
唔寫英文點顯得elite D

我一直覺得, 話家長教學歷好, 家境較好, 所以投放資源多, 令讀IBDP學生成 ...

https://www.ibo.org/contentassets/bc850970f4e54b87828f83c7976a4db6/dp-statistical-bulletin-may-2016-en.pdf
最有趣的是從數據上當有人感覺IB好似比DSE有優勢，或學者作出選讀建議，會引來口誅筆伐。

我有冇睇錯？平均中文A 6+ 係接近60%？Further Maths 6+ 係37%？

http://www.hkeaa.edu.hk/DocLibrary/HKDSE/Exam_Report/Examination_Statistics/dseexamstat17_3.pdf

加埋2017 DSE成績參考一下。

shadeslayer

akys 發表於 18-8-20 12:43
https://www.ibo.org/contentassets/bc850970f4e54b87828f83c7976a4db6/dp-statistical-bulletin-may-2016- ...

讀書唔係讀 boundary.  Marking 唔同，重點唔同。

IB 學生無用，會被市場淘汰，大學 reject 的。

全世界大學唔會「夾埋」收D無料lB生益有錢人的。