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"靜脈注射"需要做幾耐? 會好似吊鹽水咁還是打針咁呢?
IV係最有效ge方法, 如果小朋友肯, 我覺得ok.

stellacl 寫道:
各位媽咪, 對"靜脈注射", 你們有沒有什麼comment ?
Carson's birthday in January 2000.


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CoQ10 is an antioxidant.  It is on sale on a lot of health food or cosmetic shops as a supplement for the ladies to fight aging.  It is actually very expensive, so I wonder how much there is in the capsules that are sold as beauty supplement.

Dominic's organic acid test shows he needs CoQ10.  Only 1/4 cap a day.

Allergic to coconut?  I think better not take the oil, since it smells nothing but coconut!

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chanchanboy,
我冇計過, 不過我估15至20分鐘應該ok(水滾後計), 因為用嚟蒸飯的碗深度亦有關係, 淺d大口碟應比細口深碗快d熟. 可以用筷子"拮"吓試吓熟未.
浴室濾水器, 我係send速遞去取貨, 地址係觀塘區. 如果你都係揾阿莫小姐, 記得話有會員介紹(kawai), 因為我初時冇講, 佢話成hk$6xx, 有會員介紹, 即時減價為hk$4xx. 不過你可以先問佢有冇一支試水中有冇"chlorine"成份的試劑, 我買咗之後先問, 佢就話冇, 你試吓買之前問咗先.

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chanchanboy 寫道:
我想問如果蒸約2碗飯, 需要幾耐?
另外浴室濾水器, 你地係咪去觀塘取貨?
謝謝!

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stellacl,
我係conference度, 有機會同dr usman嗰nurse傾幾句, 佢話iv係最有效的方法, 只是很多時小朋友都唔會合作, 所以要大人捉住做...
你位小朋友真係乖...
請問"拮針"之前, 有冇先搽一d 麻醉cream係手度?
如果係我嗰仔, 睇怕一係要幾個大人捉實, 一係就先"打暈"佢 :
而且又一定要醫生做, 香港真係好難揾到醫生肯做...

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stellacl 寫道:
chanchanboy,

我見醫生先用帶索緊阿仔手臂, 然後解鬆那條帶, 針頭插入靜脈後, 針尾連住一條幼管, 幼管另一端就插住一支針筒, 帶鬆綁後針筒內的藥水就流入靜脈 (我都唔知係藥水自己流入去? 定係醫生慢慢打入?), 跟住打完一支dmps之後, 醫生就解鬆了那支針筒, 再插入第2支針筒 (第2支針筒是b12+glutathione), 全程2支藥打完應該唔夠一分鐘, 阿仔無喊過...

醫生話dmps比dmsa仲安全, 而且無副作用. 我就覺得唔駛阿仔食3日dmsa就可以留小便, 方便d, 而且有2日休息...  醫生話如果聽日見 tired, 可以去打一支mineral的補充針, 否則在家休息亦可.

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Re: "Biomedical Treatment - Parents' Group "

justin2002,
我估如果coconut 係"highly allergic item", 咁應該唔好試coconut oil. 不過係我"估".. 最好都係問吓醫生先.
Justin2002 寫道:
Dear moms,

I have one question on the virgin coconut oil, can my son have it if coconut (as fruit) is one of his highly allergic items (from the IgG food test)?

Justin2002

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the following is a brief summary on the biomed approaches mentioned in the autism conference held earlier in august, done by a parent. good for new parents considering biomed to get a quick grasp of the theory and treatments involved.
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Opening the door: Biomedical intervention and recovery from autism


There has been much controversy in recent years over the dramatic increase in the incidence of autism and autism spectrum disorders (ASD). The most controversial claim was the proposed link between the development of autism and the MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) vaccine.1  

In the USA, the prevalence of ASD is 1 in 166, increasing 15-fold since 1976.2 Data from the UK indicate a similarly alarming rise. For example, the prevalence of “autistic syndrome” in England and Wales in 1976 was 4-5 per 10,000.2 Thirty years later, the prevalence of childhood autism in the South Thames region was 38.9 per 10,000.3 The phrase “autism epidemic” has been used to describe this trend.4

Despite the apparent surge in ASD, there has been a major change in the response to diagnosis. No longer is ASD considered untreatable and incurable. There is hope of recovery. This was the message of the Asian Autism Conference 2006 held on 12-13 August 2006 at the Hong Kong Academy of Medicine.

The conference was organised by the Autism Parents Network Foundation (APNF) – a Hong Kong based parents support group. APNF emphasises the paramount role of biomedical intervention and therapeutic approaches such as Applied Behaviour Analysis in effecting recovery from ASD.

The conference attracted over 300 participants from Hong Kong and other parts of southeast Asia, including Japan, South Korea, Philippines, India, Singapore, Malaysia, Macau, Taiwan, and The People's Republic of China. One third of the participants were medical practitioners. Parents and professional groups including paramedics, therapists, clinical psychologists, academics and teachers of children with special needs comprised the remainder. The aim of the conference was to improve understanding of the advances in treatment methods, correct misconceptions of the cause and treatment options available, and strengthen frameworks for managing treatment strategies, so that informed decisions can be made.

What is autism?
Autism is a pervasive developmental disorder that is defined by characteristic developmental and behavioural features that occur before the age of 3 years, including: 1) qualitative impairment in social interaction (eg marked impairment in the use of multiple non-verbal behaviours, such as eye-to-eye gaze); 2) qualitative impairments in communication (eg delay in, or total lack of, the development of spoken language); and 3) restricted, repetitive, and stereotyped patterns of behaviour, interests, and activities (eg inflexible adherence to specific, non-functional routines or rituals).5

ASD include Asperger’s syndrome (also known as high-functioning autism), Rett’s disorder, childhood disintegrative disorder and pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified (PDD-NOS).5 The disorders vary greatly in their severity and the boundaries between specific diagnoses are often blurred. Many practitioners in this field now consider attention deficit disorder (ADD), attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and other specific language deficits such as dyslexia, among the ASDs (Fig 1). The theories of the causes of autism are too numerous to mention here. ASDs are likely to be caused by a combination of innate genetic and external environmental causes.

What is biomedical intervention?
The fundamental concept driving biomedical interventions for ASD is the profound interaction between the gut and the brain (Fig 2). It has been proposed that damage to the gastrointestinal (GI) lining allows partially digested proteins to enter the bloodstream and cross the blood-brain barrier where they affect the normal development and function of the brain leading to many of the characteristic symptoms of ASD. These peptides, derived from the major wheat and milk proteins gliadin and casein are called gliadomorphins and casomorphins, respectively, for their ability to affect the brain in a way similar to endogenous opioid peptides and the drug morphine. A Cochrane review of combined gluten-free casein-free diets in autistic subjects noted the significant reduction in autistic behaviours whilst on the diet, while other characteristic symptoms (cognitive skills, linguistic ability and motor ability) were not significantly reduced.6 Left uncorrected, it is hypothesised that persistent GI damage results in reduced nutrient/mineral/vitamin absorption and dysbiosis of gut flora, which is manifested as an overgrowth of undesirable bacteria (eg Clostridium spp) and yeasts (eg Candida spp.). Biomedical intervention aims first to address the profound nutritional deficiencies that may be involved in the induction of autistic behaviours.  

It is impossible to do justice to the detailed presentations made by the speakers during the conference. However, some highlights illustrate the range of topics covered.

Dr Jacquelyn McCandless gave several presentations over the course of the conference focusing on the diagnosis and biomedical treatment of ASD. McCandless outlined an 8-point biomedical treatment plan for ASD (Table 1) emphasising dietary restriction (gluten-free, casein-free, soy-free) to reduce the amount of partially digested and antigenic dietary proteins released into the bloodstream; nutrient therapy (supplementation of minerals, especially zinc and magnesium and vitamins A, C, D and E); and gut pathogen treatment (systemic anti-fungals and antibiotics and supplementation with probiotics such as Lactobacillus acidophilus and Bifidobacterium bifidus. Once the gut is healed, a process that may take several months, measures can be taken to correct other components of the metabolism that may be dysfunctional. These may include supplementing the metabolic methylation pathways, removing heavy metal contamination with chelating agents or enhancing the immune system.
  
Dr Kenneth A Bock (Rhinebeck Health Center and Center for Progressive Medicine, NY, USA) emphasised the importance of individualising treatment when planning a biomedical intervention programme for children affected by ASD. Bock reviewed the potential damage to the neurological and immune systems from environmental toxins. A key finding was the fact that small amounts of compounds, below the concentrations considered individually toxic, may act synergistically with profound adverse effects on physiological function.7 Coupled with an exposure to a cocktail of environmental toxins, the body’s ability to detoxify these substances is often impaired in persons with ASD. This leads to an overload of toxins in the body, which may result in oxidative stress and chronic inflammatory conditions, such as colitis, atopic dermatitis and asthma. Neuroinflammation has been found in autistic patients.8 Reducing neuroinflammation by enhancing the body’s natural detoxification pathways may improve the clinical course of ASD. To achieve this, Bock uses the “therapeutic quintet” of methylcobalamin (the metabolically active form of vitamin B12 in the central nervous system), folinic acid (a metabolically active form of folic acid), trimethyglycine and thiamine tetrahydrofurfuryl disulfide (methyl and sulfate donors, respectively, in detoxification reactions) and glutathione (an antioxidant and free radical scavenger). Bock underscored the importance of including behavioural and educational therapies as components in any recovery programme.

Dr Jill James (Director, Biochemical Genetics Laboratory, Arkansas Children's Hospital Research Institute, Little Rock, AR, USA) is an expert on gene-nutrient interactions that increase susceptibility to autism. She introduced the basic biochemistry and interdependence of folate-methionine-glutathione metabolism. The importance of glutathione as a key regulator of oxidative stress was developed. Interestingly, the vaccine preservative thimerosal has been shown to deplete glutathione in vitro – supporting the biomedical use of glutathione supplements in ASD. In detailed studies on the metabolic profiles of children with ASD, James documented abnormal methylation and oxidative stress that correlated to the presence of specific genetic lesions and single nucleotide polymorphisms in genes related to methionine metabolism (transcobalamin II), antioxidant capacity (glutathione-S-transferase) and methylation (catechol-O-methyltransferase).9 However, no single polymorphism can predict increased risk for ASD, because, by definition, polymorphisms are highly prevalent in unaffected people as well. Specific combinations of these polymorphisms may interact to affect metabolic pathways that are important in the pathogenesis of ASD. James noted that the abnormal metabolic profile in children with ASD strengthens the hypothesis that an inability to control oxidative stress may be central to the development of the neurologic, immunologic and GI dysfunction that occurs in ASD.  
Dr Timothy Buie (Harvard Medical School, MA, USA) is a gastroenterologist. He is known for his expertise in diagnosing children with GI complications of autism. Buie demonstrated the difficulties in diagnosing medical issues in autism. The presentation incorporated actual video film of three patients with what appeared to be classical symptoms of autism. These patients all had non-obvious GI conditions that when identified and treated appropriately resulted in a marked improvement in their “autistic” behaviour. GI issues have been a marked feature of autistic symptomology since the earliest studies. Indeed, the seminal paper on autism by Leo Kanner in 1943, noted that six of the 11 subjects investigated had “feeding or dietary” issues.10 These, however, were attributed to autistic behavioural issues rather than to a co-existing or potentially causative medical condition. A recent study evaluated 50 children with ASD and two control groups matched for age, sex and ethnicity. The control groups comprised 50 children with typical development and 50 with developmental disorders other than ASD. GI symptoms were reported in 70% of children with ASD, 28% of children with typical development and 42% of children with other developmental disorders.11 Buie also highlighted some of the pitfalls of GI/autism research. A large number of the reported studies indicating a link between GI problems and ASD are anecdotal. There is lack of population-based data with some studies suffering from referral and selection bias. Many of the current claims are uncorroborated by other researchers. Another limitation is that much of the current work tries to offer GI issues as a cause of autism. A more promising approach might be to see GI issues as a contribution of autistic behaviour. However, there is clear evidence that medical issues, including GI disorders, exacerbate ASD. Recognition and treatment of these medical conditions will improve functional outcomes and the quality of life of people with ASD.
Dr Martha Herbert (Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School, MA, USA) asked the question, “Is autism a brain disorder or a disorder that affects the brain?” She discussed the growing body of research suggesting that biomedical problems like inflammation and oxidative stress indicate that the brain may not be the prime target but rather caught in the crossfire of system-wide abnormalities whose treatment can lead to improved brain function. Herbert explained that a strongly genetic, brain-based modular model of behaviour (ie gene expression affects brain structure/chemistry, which in turn affects behaviour) is inadequate when trying to understand ASD for several reasons (Fig 3). First, numerous genetic studies for ASD-related genes have produced highly variable and inconsistent results. In addition, the gross brain abnormalities that have been observed in some ASD subjects are not compatible with the rather precise nature of the modular model. Co-existing autistic features such as sleep disturbance, epilepsy and sensory issues likewise cannot be explained by the model. Furthermore, autistic symptoms frequently extend beyond the brain – often involving, for example, the gut and immune system. Finally, altered gene expression alone cannot account for the dramatic increase in ASD cases seen in the autism epidemic.
Rather than a genetically predetermined and irreversible defect in the brain, ASD could equally be viewed as a problem with neuronal network connectivity resulting from a physically sick brain. As noted earlier, neuroinflammation has been documented in ASD.8 Oxidative stress and inflammation can affect an array of cellular brain functions influencing energy production, the maintenance of cellular lipid membranes, neurotransmitter production and specificity and neuronal glial cell support activities, any of which may ultimately affect behaviour.
In summary, Herbert revised the model for the causation of ASD. Environmental triggers and genetic influences affect both the brain and body resulting in a range of metabolic, physiological and biochemical abnormalities. These abnormalities are treatable and recovery from autism has been documented. Indeed, one of the 11 cases of autism recorded in 1943 recovered following treatment for an immune disorder.   
Nutrition and behaviour were among the topics discussed by Dr Lillian YY Ko (Chairman, Hong Kong Society for Child Health and Development). She presented an overview of ASD in Hong Kong and China. In 1985, a government-run child assessment centre identified 48 cases of ASD. In 2004, 388 cases were reported. Ko focused on the link between behaviour and heavy metal accumulation and toxicity. Mercury and lead are known to affect mental health and behaviour. The greatest source of mercury in Hong Kong is contaminated fish and seafood. Given China’s rapid economic growth and concomitant environmental pollution, the problem of heavy metal toxicity in children in mainland China looks set to increase. Based on an incidence of 5 per 10,000, there could be 200,000 cases of ASD among China’s 380 million children. Ko favours heavy metal detoxification using chelation therapy.
Heavy metal detoxification was the theme of the presentation given by Dr Anju Usman (Medical Director, True Health Medical Center, IL, USA). She reiterated the view that many ASD subjects have environmentally-induced toxicity that is preventable, treatable and reversible. Heavy metal toxicity, particularly from mercury and lead, is believed to be a prime candidate for triggering ASD. Mercury is a potent neurotoxin, exposure is common and the classic symptoms of mercury poisoning are strikingly similar to autism.12 Conjugation of heavy metals to glutathione is the primary mechanism of excretion and autistics have been shown to have low glutathione levels.13 After challenge with oral chelating agent (dimercaptosuccinic acid, DMSA), autistics excreted 5.8-fold more mercury than controls.14 Other useful chelating agents include ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (EDTA) and dimercpatopropanesulfonic acid (DMPS).
Dr. Tim Trodd (a private practitioner in Hong Kong) concluded the conference with a presentation on the practical aspects of treating ASD based on data gathered from some of the patients under his care. Among the wide range of topics covered in his talk, Trodd described the use of DMSA as a heavy metal chelating agent in children with ASD. Local children with ASD were found to have high concentrations of mercury (mean 12.4

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the following websites about supplements suggested by a mum: http://www.tacanow.com/treatment_considerations.htm   (this is very good)
http://www.anyvitamins.com/vitamin-info.htm#vitamins   (this is more general)

i have been reading this book"unravelling the mystery of autism" by karyn seroussi (got it from little giant but pls call beforehand to check), only halfway thru but highly recommend it despite it was published in 2000 which means some of the info mentioned might need revision). a parent herself, the author is a strong advocade about diet intervention, also a good friend of lisa lewis, author of the book special diet for special kids. they both co-founded the ANDI website(A??? N??? Diet Intervention). the book is a recount of personal experiences with focus on biomed intervention. the book also shares a lot of practical advices.

in her book she says ",,, an open-minded parent with an autistic child and internet access could learn more about the biology of autism than a closed-minded clinician with 20 yrs expereince in developmental disabilities, and that other parents were a better resource for practical advice than professionals". i couldnt agree more, despite of my brief experiences, esp on the last comment.

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any parents have experience with wiser club's service? i heard it does detox thru electromagnetic needle.

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Stellacl,

My son tried DMPS a  few months ago, before his first testing of heavy metal, the process is exactly as yours. Dr LAM said DMPS was used to stir up mecury before testing the mecury level. After the DMPS, my son was tired for a few weeks and could not concentrate in the class. Later my son's heavy metal test indicated that his mecury level was high and he then started to take DMSA.

Dr.LAM once suggested me to detoxify my son with both DMPS and DMSA, as that would speed up the process. But he later said only DMSA was enough.He mentioned that DMSA is a more direct way and  DMPS could not take out the mecury from brain.(may be my understanding is wrong ) .

Just observe you son if he is very tired in the coming week(s). In any event , 打一支mineral的補充針does not do any harm. Last time the DMPS effect on my son really scared me. But now he has no negative effect on DMSA consumption. Dr LAM says it's good because his mecury level should have been lowered.

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Hi Stella and wewangwang,

My son did the DMPS supppository as heavy metal test agent by Dr. Trodd a few months ago.  The result showed that the mercury is within yellow zone and lead is within green zone.  Since we had a chance to talk to Dr. Usman from US during the conference,  she advised that DMPS is good for pulling mercury out but not so well on lead.  The test result may not be indicating the real level of lead due to this reason.  Oral form of DMSA is still the best chelation agent for testing as well as removing the heavy metals.         

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just finished the 1st part of the book "unraveling the mystery of autism", which accounts the recovery story of the author's son. (the 2nd part is pratical advice on diet)

i have jotted down a bit of interesting notes to share, most of which are sort of new or re-inforcing for myself.

the DPP-IV enzyme deficiency which is apparent in some ASD was actually found out by the author's husband who is a chemist. this enzyme's function is two fold:  T-cell activation and breaking down the opiate peptide derived from milk.

the author believes that autism is caused by abnormal immunity that results in the presence of unusual gluten and casein neuropetides or opiates and dermorphin (identified by her husband, suspected as fungal or bacterial product which has strong neurological effects, which had previously only been seen in the poison dart frog in south america. apparently this finding led to later finding of DPP-IV enzyme deficiency).   

dermorphin cause diarrhea. codeine and other many opiates are constipating.

disorder related to autism(specifically dyslexia) has deficit converting linoleic acid to gamma linoleic acid(GLA) which is required for an intact gut wall. providing GLA is therefore beneficial for some subtypes. (anyone can share some convinient info on GLA? its food sources?)

the author's son is allergic to food high in phenol, salicates: peanuts, soy, corn, egg, tomato, dark grapes, apples, banana, cocoa etc. but for a ballanced diet, she still used some in moderation. some children has imparied ability to break down the phenols in food. her son also allergic to fruits, vegetables, nuts and legumes. he mainly eat potatoes, rice and chicken. plus some liquid multivitamin(including iron) twice daily.

in order to avoid her son developing an allergy to rice, they kept his diet rice-free three times a week and one day potato free.

her son also takes nystatin, DMG, flaxseed oil, vit c. (maybe some others too. not listed)

interesting theory about allergy which i never came across before: removing dairy and gluten could have caused other allergies to suddenly emerge. the hypothesis is that the immune system is so swamped with gluten and casein when they were eliminated the patient's system just attacked everything else that he ate. if the gut is leaky, then the food might be going undigested into the blood stream, triggering unusual reactions, physically or/and behavourially.

food allergic reaction could be headache, dark circle under eyes, diarrhea, constipation, skin problems, irritabilty, disorieation, depression or hyperactivity.

constant exposure to an allergen can mask some of physical reaction but not the behavioral reaction.

some allergies are not apparent until the foods are removed and re-introduced.

elimination diet: remove common allergen for a period of time and then re-introduce one at a time.   

immune problem begins when candida is not destroyed before turnng into its mycelial form. this mycelial candida is more invasive and more difficult to get rid of.

perhaps phenol and yeast problem go together. gluten, casein, a self-limited diet and allergy go together.

suggested tests:  IgG food allergies, candidiasis, abnormal immunoglobulin and stealth virus.

IgG value: < 0.150 probably safe, over 0.25 to be avoided, inbetween is a gray area to be sorted out by trial and error.

testing for phenol sulphur transferase deficiency. (anyone done this before?)

urine testing for methylmalonic acid. elevation means a functional B12 deficiency.(anyone done this?)

leaky gut treatment: healing the gut by strict diet and nutritional supplements like amino acid glutamine - the fuel intestinal cells use to replace themselves.

her son had strong reaction to vaccination shots. 15mth markes his onset of regression after MMR. he started diet at 19mth but the setback in development took the boy 1yr intensive training to relearn skills he had lost and to catch up with peers. and another 2yrs before all the autistic residua gone. her son called her mummy at 28mth the very 1st time. he had the label off before 5yr old.

her son's gut problem is loose bowel. he was on nystatin for 3 yrs. at around 4.5-5y old, he had test for pancreatic enzymes with secretin infusion. colonoscopy tissue culture found no yeast but massive colonies of anaerobic bactreria. urin test from great plain lab confrim the same finding. he had medication of Flagyl for 10 days. futher test show no more increase in bacteria or yeast. the outcome is slightly expanded food choice. small amount of egg/soy/choc didnot produce adverse reaction but still cant tolerate corn.

she mentioned a medication called Asulfadine which helps to neutralize allergy basophils that line the gut wall. never used on her son though.

the author believes 1/3 children could recover from dietary intervention but the reason this happens so rarely is (also highlighted in the copy of GFCF diet management note i got from little giant a few days ago):

in 1000 cases of autism:
only 100 has early diagnosis before 2y
only 10 have parents finding out the diet soon after
only 5 have parents trying the diet
only 3 have parents able to do it properly
only 1 is in the subgroup that will respond

some cases of autism are treatable with dietary intervention and the sooner the better.

it appears that there is a window of oppotunity after the onset of the ASD behaviours during which certain children are still able to regain functional use of the enzymes such as DPP-IV enzyme that breakdown the problem-causing neuropeptides.

if something has been proven, it is probably true. if something has not been proven, it may or may not be true. "not proven" does not mean"false".

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JJ06mum,

I have read the Chinese book about electronic chelation by Leung Pak To.  I talked to Kawai about this chelation method.  I was thinking about whether I myself should try it first to see if it works.  It sounds quite extraodrinary, and the book did not explain much about the theory that works behind it.  It is also troublesome to go to the clinic like 20 times or so to go through the treatment cycle.  So I have put it on hold.  If you know somebody who has gone through the treatment, please share the experience.

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Hi kawai,

what is the meaning of yellow ,green zone?Does your son do DMSA now? I remember you resisted DMSA for safety reason. By the way, what omega 3 /DHA product your son use now? I want to try some new product after finishing eye-Q.  Doctor LAM said children should not take too much EPA as it would affect growth but he did not elaborate more.

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Hi wewangwang,

According to the DD's urine toxic metals test, green zone means the toxic is within reference range.  Yellow means elevated and pink is very elevated.

My son has just started the chelation therapy with DMPS and EDTA suppositories.  Since my son showed intolerance with DMSA when we first introduced it as chelator,  so that we prefer to try the new medication with less side effects.  We'll see the next urine test in 2 months if these 2 medications work well on him.  Oral form DMSA will be the last choice if nothing can pull the toxics better.

For the DHA & EPA sources, cod liver oil is highly recommended for our kids especially in winter time.  Nordic and Carlson are good brands in US.

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My sister received the treatment in Leung's clinic (好似叫做正本會) 3 years ago.  According to my sister, the therapist used a machine to treat her.  My sister has the problem of 經痛.  Some remedy was also given to her.  However, as the treatment cycle was quite intensive (20 times as 1 cycle but may need more than 1), my sister failed to complete the treatment.  Her problem was not solved.  Since it was too long ago, my sister could not remember the purpose and how exactly the treatment were.  

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Thanks Kawai.

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Hi Dommom & JJ06mum,

I've talked to my husband about the miracle of electronic chelation by Leung Pak To.  He commented that it's not logically and convincing.  However, I'm open-minded to any kind of treatment as long as it's harmless to health.  My concern of this chelation is the 20 times of visit as my son is already overloaded on his daily schedule.  I really want to know if anyone has tried it before with good effects.  

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Re: "Biomedical Treatment - Parents' Group "

HayBMum,

I've been suffering from menstruation disorder last year.  Amazingly, the symptom has gone after I received 1-month treatment of TF plus.     


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Re: "Biomedical Treatment - Parents' Group "

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