思考題II

judy

"但聽說陳瑞琪(喇沙)書院今年所收之band 1生僅餘50%，而band2生佔30%，band 3生則佔20%；"

1.有可能band 3生則佔20%嗎?
2.有的話，是甚麽原因？

judy

a certain percentage (say 20%) of the Band 3 students could enter a Band 1 school through the big lucky draw, and a certain percentage of Band 1 students could enter a Band 3 school in vice versa.

Philip,

理論上一個Band3學生是無可能抽入EMI school，除非在自行收生階段學校收了他。

另一方面，一個Band1學生也無可能被編入Band3學校，除非在自行收生階段他選了Band3學校或在大抽獎時他將Band3學校排在前列位置。

好了，假設EMI school 收了20% band3 學生為真，可否講出原因(一定不是5個banding变3個banding的)？

各位，請踴躍發言，搞清此問題，對升中選校大有好處。

judy

Philip，

你的孩子還小，所以你或没有研究升中問題，你的答案是錯的，當然，我是對的。

耐心等待吧，我會令你心服的。

judy

Stccmc,

"理論上一個Band3學生是無可能抽入EMI school，除非在自行收生階段學校收了他。"

你認為在邏輯上對嗎？如果你認為是對的，你己找到答案了。餘下的:"有的話，是甚麽原因？"，没有標準答案，可自由發揮。

ykwong

Philip,

let me try to answer the personal question first. All from Judy's previous message, that is all guess.

Her son is studying P.6 now, the first DSS school (primary)was established five years ago. Therefore, she didn't have the chance to choose a DSS.

Scenario :

Nobody will actually know whether they are band one or band three. Could  the school destinate certain band of students. Is that only according to the students' choice. All band one students select your school and then fill the vacancies, there will be a 100% band one students school. Am I correct?

Hypotheses 1:

At phase one, top students will not select select this school, marginal will. The fact is, majority will try
an EMI even the band three studens. You have to agree that some of them are not bad students, no good result but hard working, they and their parents may not know much about the system, or even their own performance etc.

Is that a chance the school wrongly select the students, they are not classified as band 3 at that time. And there is not much top students will try this school. Supposing  a St. Francis student, ranked at the bottom stream. But everybody know this primary school (and the like) has higher standard than the marjority. Or vice versa, a top stream student in a common school.

Chicken mouth or ox descendent? Both may be marginal band three students.

Constraint 1:

The school is used to be a good school, but not the case nowadays. Top students don't choose it at the only chance in phase one. And most people want EMI (that's reality). Even band 3 (known or unknown) will try a comparatively not so popular EMI school.

Hypothese 2:

There are thiry choices, Is it all restricted to the school net? As I know, it is not (please indicate if I am wrong). And there must be more than 30 EMI school. That means, high chance of not being selected in the list. After the allocation to band one whose are all destinated to the selected school. The rest will be assigned by computer. And the computer will do it randomly to any school. At a result, there is a chance of that EMI school's vacancies not filled.

But I agree that for an EMI school, most band 2 students will not miss this occassion. Would it be a case that the school you mentioned is not so good in reputation now?

judy

But I agree that for an EMI school, most band 2 students will not miss this occassion. Would it be a case that the school you mentioned is not so good in reputation now?

YK，

你問得好。簡單一點。升中學位分配中，分自行收生和六合彩两階段。

在大抽獎階段中，記住一點足矣：教暑派完Band1，再派Band2，然後才是Band3.

Band1 33%, Band2 33&, Band3 33%。而EMI 25%到。請問："聽說陳瑞琪(喇沙)書院今年所收之band 1生僅餘50%，而band2生佔30%，band 3生則佔20%；"有可能嗎？

judy

Nobody will actually know whether they are band one or band three.

應是大部分知道其Banding，少數不肯定。

ykwong

我都未十分了解，請指教：

但有些學校沒分名次(1,2,3)除外，會不會高小有所不同？又我印像中大部份學校都不公佈其banding 比例，肯說的都是成績彪炳的，而且祇公佈那些他們認為見得人的中學數字，但連宣小都含糊其詞，常張兩年的成績混為一談。其實學校知不知道真正的比例？

六年班應有二次評分試吧，第一次的結果有未？交表時有了嗎？會不會有可能部份家長(學生)並不確知其定位。萬二分關心的當然不會，事實上不少人(我估)是沒有完全瞭解派位機制的。

還有，我算不算做了蠢事？

cow

YKWong wrote: The school is used to be a good school, but not the case nowadays. Top students don't choose it at the only chance in phase one. And most people want EMI (that's reality). Even band 3 (known or unknown) will try a comparatively not so popular EMI school.

I think this is the main reason. I got some info about the school from the web that (don't know if this is true or not):
入大學率﹕ 44%
會考及格率（全科）﹕ 79%
高考及格率（全科）﹕ 74%
(no idea about what is the year the results belong to)

judy

Philip，

豈不是明年要在初中雜談才可以看到妳 "鬧人" 的大作

阿大升初中，阿二讀小學，可能還有阿三呢？

看來，我不會到初中雜談那里"鬧人" 的。在這里，各式人都有：

1.有勁人，我從中得到新的知識和靈感，好象你。
2.有蠢人，有時都可可笑。
3.有惡人，好象我。
4.有無賴：辯論輸了，他會罵你精神有問題、會罵你不尊重人等。不過，我EQ比他高，我站在高處，看著在地下打滚的他，反而同情他。
5.有橡皮人，囝囝爸就是其表表者，你怎樣打都打他不沉。他喜欢將東西翻來覆去，但慢慢地你也看到其優點，不再討厭他。
6.有一種人，這里没有，就是俗人。俗不可耐的俗。因為没有俗人，我希望在這里住耐的，行嗎？

judy

ykwong，

quote]但有些學校沒分名次(1,2,3)除外，會不會高小有所不同？又我印像中大部份學校都不公佈其banding 比例，肯說的都是成績彪炳的，而且祇公佈那些他們認為見得人的中學數字[/quote]

小學一定知道。banding是指小五至小六的成績，到大抽獎時期，大部分學生都知其banding。我想，如果學校不對學生說，是非常不負責任的。

YanTung1

Judy,


想請教你以下問題:
1.如何看小學公布其升中成績?
2.公布升中成績的學校都是”谷”的學校?
3.你認為有幾成學生升讀英中才算是band 1 小學?
4. 對於某些小學不屑這做法又如何看?
Thanks

judy

I think this is the main reason. I got some info about the school from the web that (don't know if this is true or not):
入大學率﹕ 44%
會考及格率（全科）﹕ 79%
高考及格率（全科）﹕ 74%
(no idea about what is the year the results belong to)

Cow,

這並不能反映而招收之學生Banding差。此所中學有聯系小學，以八班小學，收四班來說，不可能此四班有20% band3 吧(就算真有20%很差，但名義上，應不是band3)。

餘下小量的學位，就算Band1不要，Band2的還不要？？，還可剩下給Band3？？？

所以，"陳瑞琪(喇沙)書院今年所收之band 1生僅餘50%，而band2生佔30%，band 3生則佔20%；"理論上是無可能的。

如果真有20% band3，是甚麽原因呢？

youma

Many band 1 secondary schools including those famous schools love the P6 sports and music champions in the first and third admission rounds regardless whatever the students' bandings are.

As CSK (La Salle) is affiliated with CSK Primary School, 25% of its places are reserved. So it has more chance to freely choose the ECA talents among its affiliated primary school.

In fact, CSK LS is not bad in many inter-school competitions.