聖若瑟書院 VS 男拔萃書院

Graff

家住太子，小朋友讀三私一直，有男拔EARLY BIRD OFFER，自一喇沙書院但唔中，中左自二聖若瑟書院 ... 大人諗法係入讀男拔，雖然要俾學費，但小朋友想讀聖若瑟，因為多朋友仔
感覺小朋友係DSE路線多過IB路線，因為在三私一直都只係級二十左右，而不是級頭 ... 中文和數學比英文強 ... 如果入男拔應該都爭唔到IB位，爭到都亦未必讀得好

近年關於男拔的報導都以IB成績為主，唔知DSE成績係點 ...

讀男拔，八分鐘路行番學，考DSE VS 讀聖若瑟，五十分鐘過海讀書，考DSE

唔知三私一直既級二十係男拔/聖若瑟讀成點 ... 有無可能係前三份一？希望小朋友係讀得有信心

真心求教，請俾意思，十分謝謝

KikiDaddy

回覆 肥仔爸B 的帖子

That's exactly what I am saying - YWPS produces a pool of talented students for YWC. Its percentage of Band 1A students should be comparable to TSL.

肥仔爸B

重有男女發展時期唔同。男仔通常遲發展，升小top果批男仔唔代表DSE都係top果批，大把都係中學先開始追

肥仔爸B

咁YWPS P6畢業生基本上係100% 升上 B1A中學添(只要主科合格)😂

又要假設全部top YWPS 都要跳走晒去SPCC同DBS呢兩間學校, 唔比佢地留原校😅

聽聞呢幾屆愈來愈多top 50%留原校，級頭都有留低。同埋好似就算去到前50名，SPCC同DBS都有收。不過唔知有無在校家長證實。

KikiDaddy

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Assuming all the 165 applicants received the first round offers decline YWPS and the quality of the 4000 applicants is just a simulation for the overall HK population, the next 165 applicants with second round offers are still well within top 10% and are definitely with Band 1A caliber.

If the top 10% of these 165 YWPS students can get the offers from SPCC / DBS in P6, I would say it is as expected instead of surprise.  TSL have over 50% Band 1A schools allocation (excluding 6 students allocated to DBS as it is regarded as Band 1B ). YWPS should deliver a comparable result as it is a preferred choice ahead of TSL in P1.

肥仔爸B

YWPS 班 P1又點會係個個 top 5%(165/4000)，拍得住SPCC? 頭果批通常都手執幾個offer, EK大把老前輩都話要先揀SPCC、DBS、SPC、港同，剩係呢4間都唔知執走左幾多Top 5%. 但YWPS係勁在過左6年後，唔係 Top 5%果班都可以培養到其他B1AA 中學間間想要，而留低YWC果班，都仍然有B1A成績，所以學校的確係教得有一手。

twobirds

英華小學咁揀人法，期望佢成績應該拍得住SPCC 才啱。
利申當年亞仔三面不入

KikiDaddy

Sing13 發表於 25-1-22 11:02
全港最多人考，學術要求最高既應該是TSL,六年後都有一定比例既band2生。點可能唔超過雙位數？
考小學時， ...

You just brought up a very good example to show the advantage of DSS schools.

TSL SSPA results: -

https://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3879669

Students allocated to Band 2 secondary schools are just a few percentage while a high percentage of students are allocated to Band 1A / B schools. YWPS band 2 students % may be higher as they are guaranteed a place at YWC while TSL students need to go thru SSPA. However, the quality of YWPS P1 intake should be as good as TSL if not better than. No one can deny any good primary school will have Band 2 or 3 students but my question is “how many”?

Yes, some DSS schools DSE results are just mediocre. Their teaching quality may be an issue but the quality of student intake will also affect. Not all DSS schools can have highly selective student intake like YW and TSL.

YWC, as a DSS school, if some of the top students of YWPS go for other elite schools like SPCC, DBS and LSC, it can fill up the vacancies with Band 1 students from other primary schools. SJC, as a subsidized school, it can only allocated the places to the Band 2 students of its feeder schools if some top students “jump ship”.

This unfair and faulty feeder school allocation mechanism have created pressure on Band 1 schools with feeder school arrangement. Some schools like WYHK and SSGC tried to transform to DSS until strongly objected by their stakeholders. Some schools like Methodist College and CSK just simply disconnect the feeder school relationship.

Going back to SJC DSE results, 2024 5*+ % is higher than 2022, 5+ % is similar while  4+ % is lower. The difference is not that significant.

Sing13

KikiDaddy 發表於 25-1-22 00:41
You mentioned that the good DSE results of YWC is due to the teaching effort of YWPS and YWC. This s ...

全港最多人考，學術要求最高既應該是TSL,六年後都有一定比例既band2生。點可能唔超過雙位數？
考小學時，家長有心教前半年一年，就可以令小朋友學術上取得優勢。
學校楝學生，同時學生又揀學校。
間間直私都十裡挑一，唔見得間間成績都優異，都是講教學效能。
至於SJC唔使同人比，近兩年成績跌咗，回復2022時既成績就有競爭力。
YWC近三年成績升咗。

KikiDaddy

Sing13 發表於 25-1-21 22:45
本帖最後由 Sing13 於 25-1-21 22:50 編輯

灣仔band2大概一半屬全港band1，英中既要求是85%學生屬全港 ...

You mentioned that the good DSE results of YWC is due to the teaching effort of YWPS and YWC. This simply ignores the importance of full control over student intake.
If a YWPS P1 student is Band 1AA (top 5% - 165/4000), how high the chance he becomes a Band 2 or 3 student in 6 years? There should be some exceptions but I can't believe it would be a double digit percentage.

KikiDaddy

回覆 Sing13 的帖子

Don't mix up English proficiency and overall academic performance or banding.
A student good in English but bad in Chinese and Maths can still fall under this 40% category.

Sing13

KikiDaddy 發表於 25-1-22 00:02
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The requirement for a EMI school is 85% of its students are EMI capable which is ...

「It is fair to say most of the Band 2 students of SJPS should be within this 40% category.」
前文解釋咗灣仔band2唔少是全港band1，唔止sjc，灣仔其它收直屬小學band2生既津校同樣唔使落車。

KikiDaddy

回覆 Sing13 的帖子

The requirement for a EMI school is 85% of its students are EMI capable which is about 40% of the population. This is more on the English proficiency but not the "banding" (overall academic performance). It is fair to say most of the Band 2 students of SJPS should be within this 40% category.
Regarding rhe Pre-S1 results, SJC only shows advantge over SY in English but not Chinese and Maths. This is because SJPS is a English primary school and also considerable amount of S1 intakes are from other English primary schools like SFA and SJAC.

Sing13

KikiDaddy 發表於 25-1-21 19:28
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Do you have the number of Band 2 and Band 3 students of YWPS promoted to YWC?

灣仔band2大概一半屬全港band1，英中既要求是85%學生屬全港成績前40%，如果sjc有超過20-30%學生屬全港band2，已經要英中落車了。而實際上sjc公佈既pre-s1成績比全收band1既聖言pre-s1更高。

至於英華升中學生有幾多band2或band3唔重要，種瓜得瓜，中學都要收返。多或少，全憑小學部功力。

KikiDaddy

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If your target are local universities, no big difference between DBS and SJC.
  
However, DBS will provide a much better support for the preparation of personal statement and interview regarding the application for top overseas universities. Besides IB is better recognised than DSE by most of the overseas universities.

In 2024 DSE, SJC has two top students are SFA graduates. One top 10 SFA student got 5 x 5** and one top 20 student got 4 x 5**.

KikiDaddy

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Do you have the number of Band 2 and Band 3 students of YWPS promoted to YWC?
Every year, YWPS selects 165 P1 students from over 4,000 applicants thru 3 rounds of interviews. I'm not convinced the proportion of Band 2&3 students of YWPS is similar to a subsidized school with most of the students are allocated based on non academic merit.

Sing13

KikiDaddy 發表於 25-1-21 15:50
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It is not fair to compare the 3322 or 332A % of DSS schools with full control of ...

YWC同樣要收返自己小學既band2，band3生，而SJC冇收到band3學生。

SJC 5* 以上22.3%，4以上68.5%
YWC 5*以上22.4%，4以上73.8%

KikiDaddy

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It is not fair to compare the 3322 or 332A % of DSS schools with full control of student selection or subsidized / government schools with 100% Band 1 intake to schools like LSC or SJC with 1/3 Band 2 students in S1 intake from its feeder school.

If you take a closer look at the detailed 2024 DSE 4+ / 5+ / 5*&5** of YWC and SJC, hardly can you draw a conclusion that YWC is better than SJC: -

YWC

https://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3883732&extra=page%3D1

SJC

https://www.sjc.edu.hk/academic/dse/dse2024/

In terms of top students in 2024 DSE, YWC got 4 students with 4 x 5** while SJC got 1 student with 7 x 5**, 1 student with x 6 x 5**, 2 students with 5 x 5** and 1 student with 4 x 5**. The better performance of top students of SJC is in line with its better 5*&5** % in many of the core and key elective subjects.

lameralibb

反而覺得讀SFA大多住九龍或新界，考得最Top班仔，應該LS & DBS 收晒，SJC 大概應該收考廿幾到五十幾嘅男生。

Sharenhooo

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