家長街站反TSA 教局引例撐

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【明報專訊】TSA關注組與政黨近日在全港多個地點擺街站呼籲罷考小三TSA（全港性系統評估），誓要爭取擱置或取消今年的小三TSA。教育局昨強調不需為基本能力評估操練，又指TSA報告從沒記錄學生的個人成績，另援引海外事例證明TSA之重要。


教育局昨上載「政策正面睇」文章，強調基本能力是課程中日常教學部分，學生不需為基本能力評估操練。局方又引研究顯示，TSA提供有參考價值的數據，讓學校檢視教學策略，追蹤研究顯示，學生中英數3科的表現，在小三級別的達標率持續改善，如2004年和2016年的中文達標率由82.7％升至85.8，反映TSA數據能改善學與教。


教育局引用海外例子證明TSA的重要，如《經濟學人》今年3月指出，英國威爾斯於2004年取消相當於香港小四及中三級別的評估後，學生在2006年PISA（學生能力國際評估計劃）的表現下滑，至2009年，學生在閱讀、數學及科學的表現持續下滑；儘管威爾斯由2013年起恢復對語文及數學評估，但2015年的PISA表現仍遠遜於英格蘭、蘇格蘭和北愛爾蘭。局方指出，這例子或有其他因素影響學生表現，但認為不可忽視評估與學生表現之間的關係。

thvicny

Doray 發表於 17-4-12 11:37
I suggest you to read the article in the post of "還是那句老話：秤豬不等於養豬" thoroughly as the f ...

只見到成篇在操弄政治及陰谋論，對成件事及學生有什麽幫助。教育工作者應先想辦法改善自身而唔係逃避責任，操弄政治。

shadeslayer

Doray 發表於 17-4-12 08:58
That's also one of underlying problem of HK education system, too exam-oriented in the entire school ...

so you think cancelling TSA is going to change all that exam oriented mindset?

palmchristy

Doray 發表於 17-4-12 11:18
I borrow the statement of other post from akys " 同一件事，得出十個正反意見，你攞住個正嚟講，佢攞住 ...

"It is not a must to have any "stand" to understand matter."  I agree.

But if you think there is no need to have any "point" to reply a post, it is fine.  I will note.  Thank you.

Doray

thvicny 發表於 17-4-12 11:19
即是tsa都有佢的價值，如果現在tsa實行得唔好，大家要做的係攪清楚問題出左什麽地方，如何去改善，並唔係見 ...

I suggest you to read the article in the post of "還是那句老話：秤豬不等於養豬" thoroughly as the first 14 points have nearly included nearly all views from supporters and who object the TSA that have debated for thousand times in old posts last year.  Or you may search the old posts for those back and forth statements from different ppls.  

thvicny

Doray 發表於 17-4-12 10:59
"information from TSA is useful for schools in drawing up plans to improve learning and teaching"

...

即是tsa都有佢的價值，如果現在tsa實行得唔好，大家要做的係攪清楚問題出左什麽地方，如何去改善，並唔係見到吳克儉easy target, 就將所有責任放哂教育局度，將成件事一刀切。

Doray

palmchristy 發表於 17-4-12 11:13
They are not "your" points.  But others.

If you wish to present "your" points, at least state the  ...

I borrow the statement of other post from akys " 同一件事，得出十個正反意見，你攞住個正嚟講，佢攞住個反嚟講，你話經個人分析後正方好，佢話經過嚴謹思考後反方好，咪得個嘈字！歷史話聖人要兼聽，呢度多唔多人做得到？"

It is not a must to have any "stand" to understand a matter and to have any "points" to reply the post.  I care about what is "worked" to resolve the problem and improve the situation, rather than who is right and who is wrong.

palmchristy

Doray 發表於 17-4-12 11:10
https://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3438484&extra=page%3D1

They are not "your" points.  But others.

If you wish to present "your" points, at least state the main points from the article with your analysis.  

Anyway, I will read the article.  Thanks for sharing.

palmchristy

Doray 發表於 17-4-12 08:58
That's also one of underlying problem of HK education system, too exam-oriented in the entire school ...

Agree.

Doray

palmchristy 發表於 17-4-12 11:05
The effectiveness of implementation for different schools is varies, depends on how the school resp ...

https://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3438484&extra=page%3D1

palmchristy

Doray 發表於 17-4-12 10:59
"information from TSA is useful for schools in drawing up plans to improve learning and teaching"

...

The effectiveness of implementation for different schools is varies, depends on how the school responds.

So what is your point?  Please state it clearly, with figures, evidence and justification, if you have any.

Doray

palmchristy 發表於 17-4-12 10:08
You missed my point.

"information from TSA is useful for schools in drawing up plans to improve learning and teaching"

This above point already states for thousands time from the Gov't / supporter.  This is one of the so-called merit of TSA who use it correctly.  No one can say that's wrong.  But what's the reality?


If you just keep talking about the original objective of the plan without review its effectiveness of implementation, you really missed the point.

palmchristy

Doray 發表於 17-4-12 08:59
Reply your statement "不過平心而論, 學校多一組數據俾佢地取長補短, 照計應該會有幫助"

Have you ever h ...

You missed my point.


Don't know whether you can distinguish the difference between "information" and "data".  There is a subtle difference between data and information. Data are the facts or details from which information is derived. Individual pieces of data are rarely useful alone. For data to become information, data needs to be put into context.  When data is processed, organized, structured or presented in a given context so as to make it useful, it is called information.


Figures, without processing, is a kind of data.


Education is not a heap of figures.  But I am talking about those information from the TSA results such as the performance of students in a specific type of question, which can indicate the weakness of students after receiving three years education at the school.  This can be served as a reminder for the school for improvement such as strengthening the class activity or allocating more time to those aspects with weakness.  Those useful information is regarded as "數據", which is a kind of information, not just figures.

In short, information from TSA is useful for schools in drawing up plans to improve learning and teaching. Hope you get the point.

Doray

palmchristy 發表於 17-4-11 21:49
你想表達乜野？

Reply your statement "不過平心而論, 學校多一組數據俾佢地取長補短, 照計應該會有幫助"

Have you ever heard less is more.....

Doray

shadeslayer 發表於 17-4-11 22:33
咁點解大部份小學年年考試, 排名, 産生 heaps of figures.

That's also one of underlying problem of HK education system, too exam-oriented in the entire school life.

shadeslayer

Doray 發表於 17-4-11 18:58
Education is not a heap of figures....

咁點解大部份小學年年考試, 排名, 産生 heaps of figures.

palmchristy

Doray 發表於 17-4-11 18:58
Education is not a heap of figures....

你想表達乜野？

Doray

palmchristy 發表於 17-4-11 14:26
諗都諗到係為左支持自己理據, 專揀對自己有利的例子囉.

只能夠話佢地quote出來的例子, 應該係真有其事,  ...

Education is not a heap of figures....

palmchristy

MrBeast 發表於 17-4-11 13:11
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諗都諗到係為左支持自己理據, 專揀對自己有利的例子囉.

只能夠話佢地quote出來的例子, 應該係真有其事, 唔會無中生有. 但係唔係有一啲取消相關評估而對學業無影響的各地事例, 就不得而知.

不過平心而論, 學校多一組數據俾佢地取長補短, 照計應該會有幫助.

MrBeast

palmchristy 發表於 17-4-11 12:57
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