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教育王國 討論區 備戰大學 IB DON'T take Chinese B HL
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本帖最後由 FS 於 14-11-23 14:11 編輯

If you are a Chinese in Hong Kong, most U in UK and USA will not consider  Chinese B High Level as appropriate subject. The son of my friend failed in his application due to this reason.

Even HKU and CUHK do not accept Chinese B to be one of the High Level subject. I learnt it from their U's information day. I have expressed that how about if the student has studied in international school since P1.  They said that if you are a Chinese and live in Hong Kong for several years. They will not accept Chinese B to be one of the High Level subject. Please be careful !!

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發表於 14-12-21 16:51 |只看該作者
回覆 bobbycheung 的帖子

About legacy, the percentage of students having legacy of top uni should be well above average of other schools, but these students are only minority of the total student body.

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發表於 14-12-21 01:46 |只看該作者
foolish.mom,

Thanks!  講開又講, 其實CIS學生申請美國大學時多唔多人有 legacy status?

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回覆 foolish.mom 的帖子

Having said that, I feel taking Chinese B HL as the 3rd HL subject may really have some disadvantages for certain high demanding courses in UK. For example, while most Medicine applicants get 7's in HL Chem, Bio, Math, and a student gets 7's in HL Chem, Bio, Chinese, I personally think that this student's results are comparatively weaker.
Therefore, I recommend that if a student cannot take Chinese A in group 2, take Chinese B HL as the 4th HL subject, so that the student can have 3 other HL subjects to compare with A-level applicants in UK.

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發表於 14-12-20 23:18 |只看該作者
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34.9% of 2014 cohort of CIS graduates studied Chinese A. But in 2013 cohort, only 11% studied Chinese A. So the percentages of students studying Chinese A vary from 11% to 35%. It also means majority of students (65% to 89%) study Chinese B. I listed out the data mainly to show that, despite majority of CIS students studied Chinese B, many students still got offers from good universities.CIS is quite loose to allow students switching from Chinese A to Chinese B, but the school recommends deciding the stream before year 11 (final year of MYP). The reason is that the emphasis of Chinese A and Chinese B is different. If a student switches from A to B in year 12, he needs time to adjust. The concern of switching is usually on whether to get a bilingual diploma, whether the student can cope with Chinese A, whether the student wants to challenge himself to study difficult Chinese. University application was not yet in picture at the end of year 10.
I remember that when school gave guidance to choose IB diploma subjects, they didn't mention Chinese A or B, because at that time the subject has mostly been decided according to ability. The emphasis was on which UK/HK university courses require which subjects, e.g. HL Chem for Medicine, HL Math and Physics for Engineering...The school, however, strongly recommends taking English Literature, instead of Eng Lang & Lit, as the former course is highly regarded by university language courses and law courses. I was also told that US universities don't care much which 6 subjects are chosen at IB, so long as the courses chosen are seen as rigorous enough.
Hope this answers your questions.

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本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 14-12-20 07:50 編輯
foolish.mom 發表於 14-12-19 23:49
As a CIS parent, I am here to clarify some facts, not to argue.
All students in CIS will take Englis ...

foolish.mom,

I hate to argue either.  I enjoy reading posts by parents like you as I get to learn a lot.  When I look at CIS's data, I notice that there were 106 students in Class 2014.  As you said, all 106 students took English A.  There were also 37 students taking Chinese A and it amounts to 34.9% (which, if you don't mind me saying, is not an insignificant percentage).  Only 3 of these students got 7 points in Chinese A and the majority got 6 points.  Had these students taken Chinese B instead, I believe almost all of them would have got 7 points.  They sacrificed the 1 point and took Chinese A instead, was it because they want to get the bilingual diploma?  Or was it because they didn't meet the criteria for Group 2?  Or they thought Chinese A is better Chinese B when they apply to university?  Any idea why this was so?
http://www.cis.edu.hk/data/files/gallery/ContentGallery/1_2014_MAY_IBDP_Grade_distribution__Gradedistribution.pdf

There were 63 students taking Chinese B (ie. 59.4%) and I wonder how many of these students had been learning Chinese at CIS since primary school.

There is no need to be modest, I think CIS' university placement records are amongst the best (if not the best) in HK.

I am not challenging or arguing with you.  As you are a CIS parent, I am just wondering if you could tell us these details.









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發表於 14-12-19 23:49 |只看該作者
As a CIS parent, I am here to clarify some facts, not to argue.
All students in CIS will take English A, and are expected to use English as 1st language.
All students learn Chinese, at different levels. Even CIS has many "Chinese" students, or half Chinese, some of them only speak English at home, as their parents (or one of them) are not good in communicating in Chinese. So these students only have limited time to practise Chinese, in Chinese lessons, or occasionally talking to friends. These students will surely take Chinese B SL at IB diploma. CIS requires students to take Chinese (A or B) as group 2 subject, except very exceptional cases.
CIS offers French and Spanish as electives. Less than 20%, I would say, will continue until diploma level. This French or Spanish is taken as the 3rd language at IB diploma.

Usually, CIS does not have many students taking Chinese A at diploma level and getting bilingual diploma. This information can be checked from the school website. As I remember, the percentages of students taking Chinese A are between 1x% to 3X%, in different cohorts.

CIS university placements are OK, mostly attending good universities in US and UK.

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本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 14-12-20 01:40 編輯

亂噏食忽得, 或者當秘笈

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靠估冇痛苦

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本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 14-12-19 17:59 編輯

睇返 IB website, Group 1 寫明 "Students will choose to study their group 1 subject(s) in a language in which they are academically competent."
http://www.ibo.org/en/programmes ... age-and-literature/

而 Group 2 就話 "Language B courses are intended for students who have had some previous experience of learning the language."
http://www.ibo.org/en/programmes ... nguage-acquisition/

至於應該點樣 place 學生 in Group 2, 佢就話 "The most important consideration is that the course should be a challenging educational experience for the student, offering not only the opportunity to learn an additional language but also the means of learning, appreciating and effectively interacting in a culture different from the student’s own."
https://ibpublishing.ibo.org/liv ... _e&part=1&chapter=3

首先講明我唔係好識先, 費事講錯比各位插爆. 依度火藥味重, 差隻脚落嚟其實都幾危險.

我覺得大家申請英美大學, 梗係盡量選英文做 Group 1啦. 人地d大學用英文授課, 㨂都㨂個學生d英文係 academically competent啦, 點都好過話自己係有some previous experience of learning英文卦?

至於一個由細讀中文讀到大嘅中國人, 如果佢想揀 Group 2 Language B 中文, 跟足字面解, 我覺得好難話佢只係有 "some" previous experience of learning 中文 (Academically competent 可能係一個比較適合嘅形容詞). 另外, Language B 中文係唔係 challenging for him, 又或者係唔係 "in a culture different from the student's own.", 依d 因素可能都有問題.

當然有個別中國人d中文仲衰過d鬼仔都唔出奇.  一竹篙打一船人對佢地梗係唔公平啦. 不過事實係d大學每年收數以萬計嘅申請. 例如 Ivy League 講緊超過25萬申請一年 (申請英國大學就有66萬個申請一年), 個個都係尖子, 平均100個申請先收9人. 大學又邊咁得閒逐個申請同你睇, 梗係有得篩就篩啦, 所以有時大學嘅收生policy, 可能係有實際嘅需要, 而唔係玩針對. 但當然亦都會有個別嘅學生又得嘅例子, 但我地唔知佢會唔會係SAT考2,400分呢, 又或者有其他特別嘅因素救返佢個申請都唔出奇.


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本帖最後由 samsam123321 於 15-12-23 20:23 編輯

del.

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caa 發表於 14-12-17 19:24
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有些人,就是一而再的對號入座。

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本帖最後由 caa 於 14-12-18 14:41 編輯

Can't find IS (maybe except gsis) that require 要求 students to learn chinese plus another modern language making up 3 together with english. Based on the school websites, hkis (which actually doesn't do IB but AP) offers Chinese as elective from G6 and CIS offers French and Spanish as electives too. Electives mean those subjects are not compulsory. Even schools in UK doing igcse (which gsis followed or is still following I am not sure) do not require (or even encourage) students to learn 3 languages.

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發表於 14-12-18 12:20 |只看該作者
In fact many students in those prestigious IS have already learnt 3 languages,e.g. in CIS, ESF,HKIS

不過是因為我估唔到竟然CIS不會要求學生至少要學三種語言。

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既然唔知,可唔可以唔好亂講。


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KoWY72 發表於 14-12-17 19:15
我知的不比你少,分析及理解肯定比你叻,亦無扮代表。至於咬文嚼字,你有本事嗎?
我一向英文最差,不過你 ...
"Require" means to make it necessary for someone to do something 懂嗎?

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KoWY72  你咪當人白痴唔知你話邊個   發表於 14-12-17 20:28

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唔知聰明爸幾時比版主封戶?


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知少少扮代表,英文唔係特別好,又學人咬文嚼字
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