Can schools influence student characters? 拔尖vs補底：如何選校？

jolalee

Do you think a school with strict discipline can help an active kid stay better focused, and an inquiry-based school help a shy child with better self-initiation? When choosing school, should this be taken into account? Should we look for a school that fits a child's own character, or one that helps 'balance out' the child? Parents with older children please share with us your experiences too. Thank you!

選校時，你會看看學校是否配合你孩子的性情嗎？你覺得不同類型的學校會否影響孩子成長時的性格發展，還是三歲已定八十？你會選擇一間與孩子性情吻合的學校（拔尖）還是一間令孩子在性情 / 學習上要多角度改變 / 適應的學校（補底）？ 孩子較年長的父母歡迎分享你的經驗！

jolalee

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Do you have a therapist on your child's 感統問題？

What does the therapist recommend?

Yes we do. Just lots of exercise I described above and the child would calm down a lot more. Beside the SI issues (I'm not sure if it is related or not), my boy cannot focus as long as other kids his age and loses interest quickly. He is very impatient, just like his dad. For other kids who were impatient as preschoolers, do they have trouble focusing in school when they are older?

shadeslayer

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Thanks for getting us back on track! We had an interesting & informative co ...

I thought most boys are super active and they will grow out of it.

picture

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Thanks for getting us back on track! We had an interesting & informative co ...

Do you have a therapist on your child's 感統問題？

What does the therapist recommend?

jolalee

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Thanks for getting us back on track! We had an interesting & informative conversation although it was off topic. You posed a good question; I'd love to know too. 三歲是否真的定八十 (or at least 18)？學校的影響又佔多少？
On a personal note, is there anything I can do to help train a child's focus, concentration & resilience? Are there parents out there with boys who used to be super active before age 5 and how did they turn out academically? 你採取順應還是管理的方法去對待他的學習歴程？

honeybunny7

Interesting, so we're no longer on the topic of "Can schools influence student characters? 拔尖vs補底：如何選校？"

I would like to know from all your experiences, do you find your children's characters remain consistent throughout the years? i.e. What you observed of your children when they were 2-year-old was representative of how they turned out to be when they were 12?

sharons

還是那句, 沒有最好, 只有最適合, 但我還是想聽聽 HIHisurance 分享最好的五強及原委.....

annie40

同一所學校，有人歡喜有人愁！有孩子入到了，父母開心過中六合彩，有人宜得快些走。有孩子狂補習還是成績麻麻地，有的孩子完全沒補習，別人硬是不相信。

這

正常的學校跟我們正常的兒女十分相似，就是有齊優缺點。睇清楚改改，還是可以接受的，不用BAN得咁快掛？

這位網友坦白得很可愛，或許是朋友的轉述，把事情誇大，看得我一頭霧水了。純粹交流，有怪莫怪啊！

Jane1983

幾耳目一新，睇吓d比較激的言論，有時都幾好。好過次次都係話"It's a very good school ...."

annie40

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这么多的BAN, BAN, BAN, 是大开眼界了! 近来十分烦躁吗?

因为转统学制的選择少, 家长才跳出来選择让孩子念国际学校, 怎么变成很多是生人勿近的禁区, 好似没甚么好东西剩下呢? 如果部分意见是你的朋友分享的惨痛经验, 也真等她们心up 啊!

foolish.mom

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Even at IBDP level, CIS students are always highly involved in many activities (music, sports, community service, debate, leadership positions in school clubs).  So it never appears to me that they only study, study, study.
At senior MYP levels (year 10-11), most girls study very hard, work until very late every night, but are still involved in many activities, because they are not viewed as 'good students" if they only know how to study.  They don't want to be perceived as nerds.  Boys are still playing hard, completing minimum homework and essays, trying to maintain a satisfactory grade.  Every student tries to excel in at least one extra-curricular activity, otherwise their US personal statement will not be impressive.

At IBDP, everyone studies very hard, but still needs to involve in a substantial amount of community service, runs for captains of school clubs, tries founding a new club/association, winning in debates, do anything that add weight to the "activitiy resume".  All of them become superman and superwoman in these 2 years.  Pressure level is very high indeed, but mostly from peers themselves. They become scared when knowing other students get substantial improvement in grades.

Yes, there are quite some shifting of subjects from HL to SL during the 1st year of IBDP, in order to achieve good grades.  A 6 is not satisfactory, unless a student is particularly weak in that subject.  Many students chooes 4 HL at the beginning of DP, so they have room to shift 1 from HL to SL.  As some UK/HK university degrees require certain subjects at HL, the students know what they are doing and the consequences when deciding a shifting from HL to SL.

sharons

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喜見閣下深層次披露某些國際學校內部資訊 (雖然有某些還是看不懂)暮昧一問閣下可否試舉五所認為較理想的國際學校 (有排名更好) 並且原因何在?

poonseelai

原帖由 HIHinsurance 於 14-06-16 發表
CDNIS PUSH得勁啦

SPORTS? grade 11,12, 很少人sport

I believe sports is a must for DP, otherwise how can students fulfill the A (ie action) out of the CAS.  Probably GSIS gonna changes to comply with the DP requirements.

Ruby1219

原帖由 jolalee 於 14-06-16 發表
本帖最後由 jolalee 於 14-6-16 00:56 編輯

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i never involve in my son's homework,  not to mention projects!! no way!  the reason why i put him in international schools is exactly i despise this practice being taken for granted in local schools!  
i think it really depends on parents.  i know international school parents who are very involved in her kid's homework,  i also know a handful of local school parents who are hands off.

HIHinsurance

CDNIS PUSH得勁啦

SPORTS? grade 11,12, 很少人sport

grade１０　前上唔夠ｐｅ　堂，　才會在ｇｒａｄｅ　１１，１２

唔ｓｐｏｒｔ　了

ｅｎｊｏｙ　ｌｉｆｅ？　你問問，ｄｐ　學生

暫時都幾痛苦下，　不過這些苦要受’

ｉｂ　始終出路較多，　除非，　佢地返加拿大

除非渣住加藉，　否則，　都無乜地方走，　又係要ＩＢ

今屇華人比例很高


有時父母，．當時送去ＣＤＮＩＳ，　不是為了ＩＢ


Ontario 　ＥＸＡＭ　以前

而家ＩＢ

http://www.cdnis.edu.hk/facts/ib-diploma-results.html

jolalee

HIHinsurance 發表於 14-6-16 01:38
有一次，　英國一間排名不錯的中學校長來港面試

問了一條問題

"讓學生，有機會接觸不同的科目，　找尋自己的興趣... 興趣得三，兩樣者，　無理由，　乜鬼都係興趣"
The interesting thing is, I studied 10 Credits instead of the required 6 Credits to graduate high school myself (yes I grad with OSSD). Seriously, there are crazy people like me who is interested in everything by choice: English, Algebra, Calculus, Physics, Chemistry, French, Technical Drafting, Fine Arts, Computer Science, (and hell i forgot the last one!). However, after such wide exposure I still chose a vocation i was deeply interested in, and still end up losing interest after working for two years. LOL. I take the blame 100%. [p.s. my parents never needed me to do anything great; my mom actually prefer that i'm a teacher and live a plain simple life. seriously she doesn't know me]

"中大ＬＡＷ　ＳＣＨＯＯＬ面試,  小朋友乞米咁乞學校老師，　整好ＰＲＥＤＩＣＴＥＤ　ＧＲＡＤＥ, 推到６分，　夠分面試，其實來面試都係應酬父母, 所以面試時，專登求其面試．．．．"
Why would they beg the teacher to help with the grade appearance and then 專登求其面試? That's not congruent at all. Either don't beg for marks & 求其面試應酬父母, or beg for marks & try one's best at 面試 (but probably screws up due to nervousness). This sounds like an excuse more then the truth.

jolalee

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Haha you know so much about these school so up close it is amazing!

"功課要父母參與? 點解我唔覺?"　　
I agree, i think it's just a helicopter mom talking, that's why brushed off the comment. It could be a primary section situation too, and perhaps a foreshadow of going IB?

"CIS push 得好緊, 不少人,MATHS, 由HL 跌落SL, SL 跌落STUDIES 整靚個grade"
So you mean the 38 DP average is due to students taking subjects at a lower difficulty level? But their University entrance seem quite okay...

"ＣＩＳ畢業　做ｐａｒｔ　ｔｉｍｅ, ８０蚊／小時．　暑假一個月，　都賺到成萬蚊！"
That's 125 hours within one month, = 31 hrs per week = 6+ hrs per day for 5 days. That's not too bad at all for a high school grad/ Uni kid ;)

"好多CDNIS 父母, 渣住加拿大藉, 頭幾年IB後, 低FORＭ父母驚, 轉左仔女走左去地利亞, 或者返加拿大"
From CDNIS to Delia? You must be kidding me!! Scared? Because of PYP being academically weak?  Yes i have that worry too, but from other PYP parents (who are teachers themselves) i heard that by Primary 6, PYP kids going into GCSE has no problem at all...

"ＣＤＮＩＳ　華人比例極高"
Not anymore. Starting last year entrance into Reception: 70% non-Chinese. I heard they did it on purpose.
From existing parents: 30% Chinese, 20% other orientals (Korean, Japanese etc), 10% Indian, 40% Caucasian. Nice mix.

"ＣＤＮＩＳ無ＤＥＣＬＩＮＥ，　因為ＰＵＳＨ　得好勁, Ｄ功課真係好難, 因為ＯＳＳＤ，　同ＩＢ　一次過... 實力較平均"　
I had a friend with two sons, both graduated from University & working now. They went into CIS & CDNIS respectively around Grades 5-7. Why two schools? Because one of the boys did not have the grades to make CIS. From my friend i heard that CIS is all study study study, and the kids do find better Universities. However she likes CDNIS better for the well-rounded character molding. Perhaps this is old news? Is CDNIS very pushy now? Does kids still have time to do sports and enjoy life?

HIHinsurance

jolalee 發表於 14-6-16 01:10
Can you further explain what you mean by that?
Personally I "found" my dream profession when I was ...

有一次，　英國一間排名不錯的中學校長來港面試

問了一條問題

問小朋友

知不知，　為何英國ＹＲ　１０－１１，　讀咁多科？

要學生，　讀ＳＣＩＥＮＣＥ，　歷史，　地理，　音樂，　體育，　外語，　經濟等

咁多科？

校長預期學生的答案就是，　讓學生，有機會接觸不同的科目，　找尋自己的興趣


興趣得三，兩樣者，　無理由，　乜鬼都係興趣

ＡＬＥＶＥＬ／高中／ＩＢ，　再選興趣讀



有一次，　ＬＡＷ　ＳＣＨＯＯＬ　的面試

中大　ＬＡＷ　，　一個是ＥＳＦ，　一個是ＣＤＮＩＳ，　一個是ＧＳＩＳ

ＣＤＮＩＳ，　ＥＳＦ的小朋友，　乞米咁乞學校老師，　整好ＰＲＥＤＩＣＴＥＤ　ＧＲＡＤＥ

推到６分，　夠分面試，　其實來面試都係應酬父母

所以面試時，　專登求其面試．．．．


被人迫自己不喜歡的事，　是很痛苦

痛苦的，　是兩代人

　

HIHinsurance

jolalee 發表於 14-6-16 00:53
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Wow, that's quite a bit of up close information. Thanks! May I know if you ...

功課要父母參與?

點解我唔覺?　　

CDNIS 算好, 不過好多父母, 渣住加拿大藉

頭幾年IB後, 低FORＭ　父母驚, 轉左仔女走左去地利亞, 或者返加拿大

所以近幾年，　考入ＣＤＮＩＳ　已經相對較易

有一些大陸人來考，　又俾佢地考到，　佢地班大陸人仔女，返學唔敢膽講國語

ＣＤＮＩＳ　華人比例極高，　不過都算好，　同學都仲係講英文

CIS push 得好緊, 早期在DP 前, 都無乜野

DP 時, 一路測驗.... 不少人,MATHS, 由HL 跌落SL

SL 跌落STUDIES

整靚個grade

題外話，　ＣＩＳ　做ｐａｒｔ　ｔｉｍｅ　，　你ＣＩＳ　畢業的話，　

ＣＩＳ　老師暑假叫你返去幫手

８０蚊／小時．　一個月，　都賺到成萬蚊！

ＣＤＮＩＳ無ＤＥＣＬＩＮＥ，　表現平均

因為ＰＵＳＨ　得好勁

Ｄ功課真係好難

因為ＯＳＳＤ，　同ＩＢ　一次過

ＯＳＳＤ　起ＧＲＡＤＥ　１１，　ＩＢ　起ＧＲＡＤＥ　１２

要做２次ＴＯＫ／ＥＥ，　一次在ＧＲＡＤＥ　１１，　是俾ＯＳＳＤ　評分

平時測驗２個分，　１個分是ＯＳＳＤ，　一個分是ＩＢ　

最後一次，　就是在ＧＲＡＤＥ　１２做，　就呈上ＩＢ

實力較平均，ＣＤＮＩＳ　

　

jolalee

HIHinsurance 發表於 14-6-15 23:50
"grade 10 前, 或year 11 前, 找到自己的理想... 文藝方面, 要多著手"

Can you further explain what you mean by that?
Personally I "found" my dream profession when I was 11 years old, worked towards it, got into the faculty in Uni, graduated with my professional degree, only to find that I hate working in that field. After two years I changed field, never went for my professional license, so I don't think teenagers really need to settle for what they want to do for the rest of their life too early. Of course, knowing one's own strengths and weaknesses, and working towards a certain goal is always a good thing....